Akon Apologizes to Teen

[James R.]

No, believe it or not I'm not retarded, and there's absolutely no need to use that kind of language, I didn't call any of you guys retarded although I've obviously got quite a few more brain cells than you - it's NOT a 14-year-old girl's (or any other woman's) fault that she gets cornered by an over-horny male performer who thinks it's cool to stage a fake contest only to get to dry hump a woman on stage, that's f****** ridiculous.

Actually you're dumb as shit. So let me ask you this. Is it an under-aged drinker's fault if he/she gets alcohol poisoning, or is it the manufacturer's?

She did NOT put herself in any position that should in any way have indicated to her that this was going to happen, she was told it was a contest, that she'd win a "trip to Africa," it wasn't until she had won and was on stage she was told Akon was Africa, how the hell is a 14-year-old girl who's on stage in front of hordes of people gonna have the sense to squirm her way out of situation like that? She didn't know this was going to happen, she didn't ask for it, just like a woman who's wearing a short skirt isn't asking to get raped.

Ok so if that's how they worded then it was an obvious publicity stunt and joke that as you admitted wouldnt have been a problem had it been an older girl.

No, I don't think it would've been an public issue if she'd been 19

So if you're admitting that age does make a difference, then you're admitting my point is valid because it's in every way her fault that she was there. So logically speaking had she not been there that would have never happened. Which makes my braincells work and brings me to the realization that if she wasn't illegally in an this club then this whole situation would have never happened.

And the next issue with your argument is how can she be right for breaking the law? She was in an establishment that was prohibited to people her age. So she got in somehow, probably fake ID (law broken) and was in this club which is trespassing you genius. But no your braincells are definitely up to speed........ with the average potato. So ok, I completely understand your argument. She can break the law but he cant get a little freaky at HIS concert, that HE paid for, to perform songs THEY wanted to hear. And this is made even worse by the fact that the girl willingly brought her under-aged ass onto the stage. Right. Got it. Shut the fuck up.

[Curious]

Curious - how can you compare getting raped because you walked out your front door, and being put in a sexually uncomfortable setting because you went to an overaged club when you were 14? The two aren't even close to being the same situation. The girl put HERSELF in that situation. Maybe she wasn't directly asking to be dry humped, but venues are 18+ for a reason. Akon had no way of knowing she was underaged; and plenty of 18+ women go to concerts and act promiscuously on stage with celebrities. If you think most women in this situation wouldn't have wanted to be dry humped, apparently you don't know many groupies. I'm not saying Akon was right to do it, and neither is he, since he formally apologized, but in all honesty there is no one to blame but the girl and the people who let the girl into the club.

By the way, don't question the number of brain cells people that you have never and will never meet possess. Cuz I guarantee you that James is smarter than you. Thanks. Good day.

Oh for crying out loud, she did not put herself in any position. I can compare the two because it's the same ridiculous argument.

Just because you're going to a concert at the age of 14 does not mean you're asking to be violated (and yes, being put in a sexually uncomfortable situation that you didn't instigate is to be violated, no matter how you wanna twist and turn it). I go to concerts too, I'm long past the legal age, but that doesn't mean it would've been ok for Akon to do shit like that to me either - just because I'm at a +18 venue does not mean I'm asking a guy to grope my ass, my tits, dry hump me or do anything else to me for that matter.

I know that plenty of women over 18 go to concerts and act promiscuously, but there are plenty of other women who go to concerts to listen to the music, not to fuck the artist. The fact is that Akon didn't ask "is there anyone out there who'll let me dry hump her on stage?", he staged a fake contest and no one knew the deal except him and most likely his crew.
Stop blaming a 14-year-old for wanting to go to a concert, even if she wasn't supposed to be there, she wasn't up there flaunting her tits and her ass in his face, she wasn't inviting him, she wasn't instigating anything, she was simply attending a concert.

And for the record the thing about how many brain cells either James or I possess was simply a matter of me getting ticked off because it's respectless to call other people you have never met and will never meet retarded so I guess we're even on that one - whether or not he's smarter than me isn't really something you can or ever will be able to judge or guarantee for that matter either. Good day to you too.

[SemiShady]

what a stupid aguement

Curious - Its the girls fault. Simple as that.

She should not have been there. Or posible the venue's fault for letting her in.

"Adults only" - Akon can do anything sexually he wants to, as long as its not against anyone's will

so yeah,,, either the girls fault or the venue's fault.. not Akons (very distastefull on akons part.. but thats it)

[joelle]

Just because you're going to a concert at the age of 14 does not mean you're asking to be violated (and yes, being put in a sexually uncomfortable situation that you didn't instigate is to be violated, no matter how you wanna twist and turn it). I go to concerts too, I'm long past the legal age, but that doesn't mean it would've been ok for Akon to do shit like that to me either - just because I'm at a +18 venue does not mean I'm asking a guy to grope my ass, my tits, dry hump me or do anything else to me for that matter.

Yes, but the issue here is that she is UNDERAGED, not that Akon did that. If you want to argue the morality of the act itself and ignore her age, then do so. But you've agreed the whole problem here is that she was 14. Therefore, THAT is the factor we're arguing..that a 14-year-old shouldn't have gone to that concert, and in doing so, the 14-year-old would not have been "violated."

Stop blaming a 14-year-old for wanting to go to a concert, even if she wasn't supposed to be there, she wasn't up there flaunting her tits and her ass in his face, she wasn't inviting him, she wasn't instigating anything, she was simply attending a concert.

Yes, illegally. I'm not blaming a 14-year-old for wanting to go to a concert. I'm blaming a 14-year-old for breaking the law and getting into a concert where legally she had no business being. Why do you think there are laws prohibiting underaged people from attending such concerts? But no doubt you'll respond to this point and contradict yourself by saying he shouldn't have done it to any woman. Pick your argument. Either the problem is that she's underaged, or the problem is that he's too horny and shouldn't have done it to any woman regardless.

And for the record the thing about how many brain cells either James or I possess was simply a matter of me getting ticked off because it's respectless to call other people you have never met and will never meet retarded so I guess we're even on that one - whether or not he's smarter than me isn't really something you can or ever will be able to judge or guarantee for that matter either. Good day to you too.

Oh I can make a pretty safe bet though.
Btw, he didn't call you retarded. He asked if you were retarded.

[Curious]

@ James R.:

I'm not gonna stoop to your level of talking to other people so I'm not gonna respond to any of your so-called arguments or any of your low-level formulations. I don't care whether you disagree with me or not on this issue, you're entitled to your opinion just like everybody else, but it's real sad that you're not intelligent enough to converse in a civlized manner.

[James R.]

...that's just you admitting defeat. And I could talk to you like in a civil manner but you're not intelligent enough to understand a complex and formulated debate since you can't even seem to make a valid point. So good day.

[Curious]

Yes, but the issue here is that she is UNDERAGED, not that Akon did that. If you want to argue the morality of the act itself and ignore her age, then do so. But you've agreed the whole problem here is that she was 14. Therefore, THAT is the factor we're arguing..that a 14-year-old shouldn't have gone to that concert, and in doing so, the 14-year-old would not have been "violated."

I'm actually arguing both that she was underaged and the morality of the act itself, I never said the whole problem was that she was 14 - I said I agreed it wouldn't have been regarded as a problem if she was 19, that's a totally different thing. I do have a general problem with men violating women and children and again, just cause she was at a concert doesn't mean she was instigating anything sexual with him. She was caught in a situation that we both agree she shouldn't have been caught in and I just find it very hard to blame her for something she had no control over since she didn't know the deal from the outset.

Yes, illegally. I'm not blaming a 14-year-old for wanting to go to a concert. I'm blaming a 14-year-old for breaking the law and getting into a concert where legally she had no business being. Why do you think there are laws prohibiting underaged people from attending such concerts? But no doubt you'll respond to tis point and contradict yourself by saying he shouldn't have done it to any woman. Pick your argument. Either the problem is that she's underaged, or the problem is that he's too horny and shouldn't have done it to any woman regardless

I know she was there illegally, but yes, again, that doesn't mean she was asking for this. I went to clubs when I was underaged too, I wasn't there to engage in any sexual activities but to have a good time, by your standards it would've been my own fault if someone had violated me, to me that's the same as saying it's a woman's own fault if she's raped just cause she chose to wear a short skirt and thereby sent a certain signal. And I honestly don't think that the laws prohibiting underaged people from attending such concerts were made because these people might end up getting dry humped on stage. .

Oh I can make a pretty safe bet though.

No, you really can't cause you know absolutely nothing about me other than I'm over 18 and that I have different opinions on matters than you.

[Curious]

...that's just you admitting defeat. And I could talk to you like in a civil manner but you're not intelligent enough to understand a complex and formulated debate since you can't even seem to make a valid point. So good day.

No that's simply saying in a constructive way without resorting to swearing or name-calling or other kinds of disrespectful language that I don't want to communicate with people who can't debate in a civilised tone. Whether or not my points are valid are a matter of opinion and you're entitled to disagree just like everybody else, however, most people in here actually manage to discuss things on a civilised level and it's kind of sad that you don't.

[James R.]

Ok Curious, I'm going to address VERY respectfully. I'm not even going to quote all the things you said just to prove them wrong. You can honestly believe w/e you want to believe but ethically, it is completely her fault for being there. If she wasn't there it wouldn't have happened. Who's fault is it that she was there? Akon's? No. It was her choice, her decision, her actions that got her there and put her in that situation.

And I just can't seem to grasp how that's the same as a girl wearing "enticing" clothing and getting raped. It's nothing like this situation. A man would have to seek her out and force himself upon her. Now if she went to some awkward man's home and then got raped, then yes I would blame her because she's putting herself in the position for that to happen.

Seriously I can't understand you're argument because it seems overly feministic and slanted against any male culprit. Maybe it'd be a little more fair if you were placing ANY of the blame on the girl who was breaking the law by being in an 18 and over establishment.

[Curious]

Ok Curious, I'm going to address VERY respectfully. I'm not even going to quote all the things you said just to prove them wrong. You can honestly believe w/e you want to believe but ethically, it is completely her fault for being there. If she wasn't there it wouldn't have happened. Who's fault is it that she was there? Akon's? No. It was her choice, her decision, her actions that got her there and put her in that situation.

And I just can't seem to grasp how that's the same as a girl wearing "enticing" clothing and getting raped. It's nothing like this situation. A man would have to seek her out and force himself upon her. Now if she went to some awkward man's home and then got raped, then yes I would blame her because she's putting herself in the position for that to happen.

Seriously I can't understand you're argument because it seems overly feministic and slanted against any male culprit. Maybe it'd be a little more fair if you were placing ANY of the blame on the girl who was breaking the law by being in an 18 and over establishment.

I had actually decided to ignore you henceforth but since you made the effort of actually talking properly without any swear words, name calling and only very little and quite non-offensive sarcasm I'll try to explain my point.

The only thing I can blame the girl for - and definitely will, since that was no doubt her, and only her, choice - is for sneaking into a venue she shouldn't have been at because she was underaged. It was definitely her own fault that she was there. So we do agree on that.

However, sneaking into an 18+ establishment is not the same as instigating simulated sex on stage or even realizing that something like that might happen and therefore I cannot blame her for the incident itself. I don't know the girl, so I've only heard what happened through the press just like the rest of you, but it in no way appears that she was aware of what was going to happen, and she couldn't have known beforehand. There's nothing that indicates that she was a groupie attending the concert with the purpose of getting with Akon.

I don't see the ethical question as clear-cut as you - yes, ethically she's at fault for being there, but he's at fault for staging a fake contest and putting her in that specific situation. I agree that he couldn't have known she was only 14, and I give him credit for actually apologizing now, it calls for respect that he's actually owning up to making a mistake, but I also don't think it was a smart thing to do in the first place - no matter the age of the woman who had won the so-called contest that woman might very well have been placed in an awkward situation since, as I argued before, not all women who attend concerts are there to throw themselves at the artist.

My point about wearing enticing clothes and thus by some people's standards being at fault if something happens to you is that you've continuously argued that the girl was to blame for what happened just because she was there, so it appears to me that you by default are saying that just because she made that choice she also concented to everything else that might happen to her at that venue, but I just disagree on that, to me that's the same thing as saying that just because you chose to wear a short skirt it's ok for guys to do whatever since you should've known that that might happen to you - women know what signals they're sending when they're wearing certain clothes. The thing is, the girl went to a concert, but she didn't jump up on stage and throw herself at him, she was up there under false pretences and was put on the spot in a situation which would've been difficult even for grown women to handle so I think it's extremely harsh to blame her for this.

I guess my conclusion is, and I probably should've stated this in my very first post, that it's a combination of unfortunate factors which went wrong here, but that I don't understand why some of you are placing the sole blame on the girl.

[James R.]

Ok now that you've actually explained your it actually makes some sense now. But I feel it's necessary to say that I at no point put the SOLE blame on the girl. I put the VAST majority of the blame on the girl because in the end it boils down to the fact that if she hadn't been there it wouldn't have happened. I can't show sympathy for this girl who broke the law and had this happen to her. I'm not saying that it is in any way right because that was bad business on Akon's part which I've also acknowledged. So in the end we need to agree to overall disagree because this isn't going to get anywhere

[Curious]

Ok now that you've actually explained your it actually makes some sense now. But I feel it's necessary to say that I at no point put the SOLE blame on the girl. I put the VAST majority of the blame on the girl because in the end it boils down to the fact that if she hadn't been there it wouldn't have happened. I can't show sympathy for this girl who broke the law and had this happen to her. I'm not saying that it is in any way right because that was bad business on Akon's part which I've also acknowledged. So in the end we need to agree to overall disagree because this isn't going to get anywhere

That's fine with me, I don't need people to agree with me, that's not what discussions are about. I must've skipped the part where you acknowledged that it wasn't a clever move on Akon's part, but never mind that - I guess the fact of the matter is that you're placing a lot of emphasis on the point that she broke the law, whereas I think the main problem lies in the nature and circumstances of the incident itself.

I would've actually explained myself more clearly before if you hadn't ticked me off by using the phrases you used, I just think that was totally uncalled for. I'll actually apologise for making that remark about brain cells, it was quite childish since I don't know you anymore than you know me and therefore none of us have the necessary knowledge to judge each other's general level of intelligence. Only defence I have is that you did use a certain glossary and your formulations were quite agressive which often indicates a person's level of maturity and/or intelligence.

Peace.

[SemiShady]

Ok Curious, I'm going to address VERY respectfully. I'm not even going to quote all the things you said just to prove them wrong. You can honestly believe w/e you want to believe but ethically, it is completely her fault for being there. If she wasn't there it wouldn't have happened. Who's fault is it that she was there? Akon's? No. It was her choice, her decision, her actions that got her there and put her in that situation.

And I just can't seem to grasp how that's the same as a girl wearing "enticing" clothing and getting raped. It's nothing like this situation. A man would have to seek her out and force himself upon her. Now if she went to some awkward man's home and then got raped, then yes I would blame her because she's putting herself in the position for that to happen.

Seriously I can't understand you're argument because it seems overly feministic and slanted against any male culprit. Maybe it'd be a little more fair if you were placing ANY of the blame on the girl who was breaking the law by being in an 18 and over establishment.

I had actually decided to ignore you henceforth but since you made the effort of actually talking properly without any swear words, name calling and only very little and quite non-offensive sarcasm I'll try to explain my point.

The only thing I can blame the girl for - and definitely will, since that was no doubt her, and only her, choice - is for sneaking into a venue she shouldn't have been at because she was underaged. It was definitely her own fault that she was there. So we do agree on that.

However, sneaking into an 18+ establishment is not the same as instigating simulated sex on stage or even realizing that something like that might happen and therefore I cannot blame her for the incident itself. I don't know the girl, so I've only heard what happened through the press just like the rest of you, but it in no way appears that she was aware of what was going to happen, and she couldn't have known beforehand. There's nothing that indicates that she was a groupie attending the concert with the purpose of getting with Akon.

I don't see the ethical question as clear-cut as you - yes, ethically she's at fault for being there, but he's at fault for staging a fake contest and putting her in that specific situation. I agree that he couldn't have known she was only 14, and I give him credit for actually apologizing now, it calls for respect that he's actually owning up to making a mistake, but I also don't think it was a smart thing to do in the first place - no matter the age of the woman who had won the so-called contest that woman might very well have been placed in an awkward situation since, as I argued before, not all women who attend concerts are there to throw themselves at the artist.

My point about wearing enticing clothes and thus by some people's standards being at fault if something happens to you is that you've continuously argued that the girl was to blame for what happened just because she was there, so it appears to me that you by default are saying that just because she made that choice she also concented to everything else that might happen to her at that venue, but I just disagree on that, to me that's the same thing as saying that just because you chose to wear a short skirt it's ok for guys to do whatever since you should've known that that might happen to you - women know what signals they're sending when they're wearing certain clothes. The thing is, the girl went to a concert, but she didn't jump up on stage and throw herself at him, she was up there under false pretences and was put on the spot in a situation which would've been difficult even for grown women to handle so I think it's extremely harsh to blame her for this.

I guess my conclusion is, and I probably should've stated this in my very first post, that it's a combination of unfortunate factors which went wrong here, but that I don't understand why some of you are placing the sole blame on the girl.

Holy Shit. Are one of you related to this girl? lol

[Darky]

i dont like akon anyway

[darealslimzlady]

i dont like akon anyway

Yeah, what he did make me hate him even more. Had it hav been an adult that he was frolicking around with, I wouldn't care as much. But nevertheless, whether he knew if she was old enuf or not was beside the point. To do that on stage in front of loadsa people is just gross.