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[Arrinef]

imagine that

[chronic]

Your morality? What you require of yourself, not in function of other people or of any particular external threat, but in the name of a certain conception of good and evil, of duty and prohibition, of the permissible and the unacceptable, of the humanity and of you.

To act morally is to take into account the interests of the other, certainly, but without the knowledge of gods and men as Plato said, without any reward or punishment possible and without needing the opinion of anyone else then your own. The evil you prohibit yourself from doing, and without any benefit other than the satisfaction, even if nobody else can do anything, from doing it.

Therefore, you have to prevent yourself from doing anything that you would condemn in others, or not approve of according to the ''universal'' that is to say, within the intent or reason. It is the decisive point; where you have to personally submit to laws or ethics that seem, for you or for everyone important.

It is not religion that is the base of morality rather morality helps religion. It is not because God exists ; (If you're a theist like me) that one must act well but rather because you have to act well so you might need it, not to be virtuous or to go to heaven, but to escape the desperation to believe in god.

I think that everyone should read the story of Gyges and his ring; it's in Plato's book ''The republic''.
From Wikipedia;
''In The Republic, Plato puts the tale of the ring of Gyges in the mouth of Glaucon, who uses it to make the point that no man is so virtuous that he could resist the temptation of being able to steal at will by the ring's power of invisibility. In contemporary terms, Glaucon argues that morality is a social construction, whose source is the desire to maintain one's reputation for virtue and honesty; when that sanction is removed, moral character would evaporate.''

[chronic]

^^^^
I read "The Republic" twice. Plato is a jackass who stole most of his concepts, theologies, theories, and ideas from the Egyptian culture. He babbled on about HIS philosophy in an unbelieveably, exhaustingly boring and extremely dull manner. I agree with this "rant" of his to a point but most are out dated and just incorrect.

I use to like him but now I dislike Plato with a passion.

He still was one of the greatest philosophers of our time and I gotta say I agree a bit with his conception of the ''ideal state'' and I love the importance he gave to mathematics.

The inscription on his school was; Let no one destitute of geometry enter my doors.
..That's not the kind of stuff you'd find nowadays where people can go through life without learning calculus.

[paradigmal]

Us Christians do believe in something called the "Natural Law" ie. instinctual- Moral law if you will. This is something you are born with and learn with the development of the brain. If you make someone cry, you know what you did was wrong (at least the normal person does). You don't hit someone because you are fearful that they will fight back as well. Thus, even if there were no laws against killing, people would be afraid of the consequences anyways (ie. Having someone's whole family looking for you immediately after you've done wrong to their kin).

[paradigmal]

^^^^
I read "The Republic" twice. Plato is a jackass who stole most of his concepts, theologies, theories, and ideas from the Egyptian culture. He babbled on about HIS philosophy in an unbelieveably, exhaustingly boring and extremely dull manner. I agree with this "rant" of his to a point but most are out dated and just incorrect.

I use to like him but now I dislike Plato with a passion.

Yes Adam, but do keep in mind that most theories/concepts of the modern world are simply evolutions or a recycling (or slight restructuring) of older ideas. ie. (new age modern philosophy) vs. (thomas hobbes)(machiaveli).

[Knight-ofthe-Pen]

still not to kill people randomly because your in the mood for is one of the pillars of a collective
because if you are allowed to kill whoever whenever you like, you will live in anxiety and that leads to a break down of every community

if you don't feel save in your home, how you gonna live along?

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

imagine there was no law saying that you're not allowed to kill/murder people. basically, murdering people is allowed and no legal action would take place if you were to kill.

what would that change in this word? what are your thoughts on this?

this question always has me thinking for ages as to what it would actually be like.

the population would be reduced from 6.5 billion to probably 1 billion.

GOOD

[mrjizzbomber]

imagine there was no law saying that you're not allowed to kill/murder people. basically, murdering people is allowed and no legal action would take place if you were to kill.

what would that change in this word? what are your thoughts on this?

this question always has me thinking for ages as to what it would actually be like.

the population would be reduced from 6.5 billion to probably 1 billion.

GOOD

I hope you're not in that 5.5 billion...

- The Bomber

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

I hope you're not in that 5.5 billion...

- The Bomber

I won't be. I'm "too weird to live, too rare to die".

[gutawafang]

I hope you're not in that 5.5 billion...

- The Bomber

I won't be. I'm "too weird to live, too rare to die".

Must be from some lyrics.

An add a word to our battle thread's title with "VOTE".

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

I hope you're not in that 5.5 billion...

- The Bomber

I won't be. I'm "too weird to live, too rare to die".

Must be from some lyrics.

An add a word to our battle thread's title with "VOTE".

Hunter S. Thompson quote.

I did that a while ago...

[Elision]

For the first 10 years or so, shit would be crazy. But only because we've been told that we can't do it for so long.

But eventually natural human nature would take over and shit would be fine. Don't kill people, and nobody kills your ass back.

It's that simple.