The Bible and Christianity

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

Nick, contact me when you convert back to Catholicism, we'll celebrate.

[EminemBase]

Nick, contact me when you convert back to Catholicism, we'll celebrate.

In order to convert 'back' I'd have to of been one in the first place.

I don't consider that I ever was one, just because as a helpless baby I had some H20 flicked on my head by a wrinkly virgin. I never believed it or took it seriously.

If I ever were to become susceptible to that vile destructive nonsense though, I'd far from celebrate. I'd blow my brains out.

[Knight-ofthe-Pen]

well, first in ancient Greece they believed in Zeus, Hera and Poseidon and this row of Gods
Thor is Celtic origins - just to be correct in traditions

and then, I don't think it's "wrong" to believe in something that's maybe higher than you. Humans aren't a coronation to the world or whatever. we're small insects to the world's eyes
it's just the way people believe in and think, they believe in the only "right" god - or truth as logic and rationality. it's not a matter of right or wrong, but if you try to force everyone to believe the same things you do, you're not any better than any (religious) organisation going to crusades, enslave nations and banishing and oppressing folks - without any cause just to think "they're wrong"

[EminemBase]

I don't think it's "wrong" to believe in something that's maybe higher than you. Humans aren't a coronation to the world or whatever.

No we are correlated to the World actually. All living organisms are related and originated on Earth due to conditions circulated by the laws of physics, chemistry and biology.

That's precisely why humans are not separate entities to the World, in fact we're among the most useless in terms of being needed for the planet to survive. Take plants out, we all die. Take many things out, we all die. Take humans out, not much happens.

So to think this entire Universe has a creator - Which for one explains nothing because you HAVE to explain the creator. It just kicks the can back, it solves nothing. But to think it a) has a creator and b) was created just for us is totally absurd. And delusional.

it's just the way people believe in and think, they believe in the only "right" god - or truth as logic and rationality. it's not a matter of right or wrong, but if you try to force everyone to believe the same things you do, you're not any better than any (religious) organisation going to crusades, enslave nations and banishing and oppressing folks - without any cause just to think "they're wrong"

Well it actually is a matter of right and wrong. The postulation of a god is a scientific question because a Universe with a god is entirely different to one without it, it affects and changes everything drastically.

So if you claim there is a god, it's on you to prove it. Now, obviously no efforts have been made to do this and not a single scrap of evidence ever produced because the very notion of a god is stupid and the probability as close to impossible as we need entertain.

When you have religions that are arrogant enough to say they don't need to prove any of their claims but you must respect their claims despite the implausibility. Oh and by the way, they also want to teach it to children as fact, force their lifestyle views and have a say in politics and world affairs. So when you have the delusional idiots doing things like this YES it is VERY MUCH about being right or wrong because if they are wrong (as close to certain as we can get) then they have ZERO authority and are quite literally - Very powerful delusional people. They deserve no say in social happenings.

And to try and go back to this old chesnut of "Oh aren't atheists just as bad trying to force people not to believe in god" NO. Not at all. Atheism is a LACK of belief out of LOGIC. There are no set lifestyle rules of atheism, no single way you could group or characterize an atheist other than their lack of belief in a supernatural creator. If anything all it is, is a promotional of rational thinking. So promoting reasoned and critical consideration is not even close to brainwashing children with pagan mythology and disturbing imagery and enforcing pure lies and real-world truths to them.

Lets not even get into the countless religious wars and current-day wars still being had over the fucking nonsense. It's also in no way 'oppressing' people. What babble.

You just buy into the automatic heightened respect that everybody thinks religion deserves. It's built a cosy little wall of protection for itself which says "you can't criticize people's religion"... "why?"... "because you just can't". Like the belief itself, the defence is based too in irrational circular thinking. I don't adhere to it and refuse to respect utter brain mush that's a disgrace to mankind's intellect, a shame to the historians and a threat / detriment to society at all times.

What would you say if I told you I believe I can turn invisible. Surely you'd ask me to prove it. What if I said no I don't need to prove it because my belief that I can turn invisible is based on faith and you need to respect that. Would your response be "You're right, I don't want to offend your belief that you're invisible, it's not about right or wrong here". I would fucking hope not because that's a totally insane way of viewing challenges and if you treated everything like that you wouldn't survive very long. But the very fact you're here typing on this forum tells me you don't. You just treat religion that way.

Because you've been had. Suckered into thinking religion deserves a special privilege. Well it doesn't. And another thing, belief in a supernatural creator isn't sacred or special. It's not void of criticism, it's very silly and no less silly than a belief in fairies or the boogie monster. But just because it has a history, has caused a lot of deaths, is rooted to wishful thinking related to our deaths and because it's cemented in society you think it is less silly. Well it's not. It's ridiculous and I don't respect it.

[Knight-ofthe-Pen]

I haven't spoke of a creator. I just have spoke of something that is/are more than humans.

Do you know why people invited religion? Because it comforts them.
Not only because they hadn't known why the sun goes down every day and rise up. It even comforts them to all the cruel things people do and always did. And they never do it because of religious reason, but for power and money or just for fun.
It comforts people to say "destiny meant this to happen" just not to have to admit "mankind is a failure".
Science can't do that. Science just says us anything, prove it wrong and says something different.
Sure you can say, religion is an antiquated concept - but can you give an adequate substute?

I for myself just don't want to believe in nothing. because what I think it's logic or rational... - well, do you see people act rational? do you see logic makes our life better? or easier? do you see logic governs the world? what you claim as "right" maybe is more right to act like. I acted logic as well - and what I'm doing? I waste my time and my life makeing my BA, because you have to have some kind of education/training - that's logic to base your life on. Then you cannot live from nothing.

you can claim "people turn your brains on"
- but that doesn't help parents who lost their child in a car accident "oh, my child is now - it's rotting underground. its soul is now - well it doesn't exist anymore and anywhere" but if they can believe "it's maybe at a better place" it comforts them

that's the kind of belief I think people sometimes need and I don't think that's wrong

I know that isn't everything and I know religion is a bit of an antiquated concept and I know in religions name were caused many crimes
but the most people just wnat to believe in something they can rely on in bad times

[EminemBase]

I haven't spoke of a creator. I just have spoke of something that is/are more than humans.

You were speaking about a god. A god is a conscious, supernatural creator. That, is absurd. I don't doubt there's other lifeforms in the universe but that's not the same as a god or something controlling us.

Do you know why people invited religion? Because it comforts them.
Not only because they hadn't known why the sun goes down every day and rise up. It even comforts them to all the cruel things people do and always did. And they never do it because of religious reason, but for power and money or just for fun.

No, pagans invented these myths to try and explain the world they saw around them. They created myth and story to try and explain what the sun was, what it did for them, what it meant for them, what the darkness was, why it became dark etc.

It was humanity's first stab at understanding. Religions, organized religions - Hijacked these myths of astrology and pagan understanding, attributed more myths and narrative threads, stole pagan sun incarnations and created gods and sons of gods. Then they injects personal lifestyle views and they subject this nonsense onto innocent children as unquestionable fact.

Now. To say religion comforts people, well it may well do but so what. It has no true provable or repeatable advantage, at best it's a vague psychological comfort to some people who have a perverted want to be slaves and to have an omniscient father figure spying on them 24/7.

It's also a lack of responsibility. They don't want to confront the world for what it is and use this constant cop-out of the afterlife will be better. This is a pathway to extremist thinking because they create fucking reward systems to get to that good place and thus you have total morons who think they're martyrs blowing themselves and innocent people up to try and get their quicker.

It easily does more harm than good and saying it comforts people is useless. Comforting does not = true. Also, by the fact that people go every single week with a group of people in the exact same position and remind themselves that they believe it is the behaviour they do to try and constantly cover the doubt. The entire system of behaviour is a naturally evolved process to self-deluded. Like they're constantly trying to shut doubt out "I DO BELIEVE, WE ALL DO YES YES YES" - They need others there to re-inforce it.

So what if it comforts some. It's negatives far outweight that possible, one tiny fucking positive.

It comforts people to say "destiny meant this to happen" just not to have to admit "mankind is a failure".
Science can't do that. Science just says us anything, prove it wrong and says something different.
Sure you can say, religion is an antiquated concept - but can you give an adequate substute?

Firstly, I don't believe it does comfort people. That's why people who believe in god still have the same depressions and life problems as everybody else. It's false, paper-thin comfort at best and it's untrue. And I think even they know that and constantly kid themselves.

I don't see how omitting a pre-determined plan to life is in any way comforting, for me that's disturbing. I like the idea that I live in the now, I'm in control and life is spontaneous. The idea that it's all pre-planned and I can't change that anyway isn't nice or comforting. It's deeply disturbing. The only type of person who would enjoy that would be a weakminded person who doesn't have much guts and wants everything done for them.

Secondly, Science can't do what? Science can't provide comfort? Well - What Science does is provide TRUTH. And ANY truth is infinitely and automatically more comfortable to me than ANY lie. I may LIKE to think that I can fly. But I can't. That's a fact. It's also not comforting to think I can fly because I know that I can't. But it is comforting to know why I can't fly.

Truth is comforting. Mythology, lies and superstition aren't even amusing. They're lame and pointless. I get comfort knowing all life is related, I get comfort from the theory of Evolution, knowing that it's true and it's also fascinating. You must be a very sad person if you seriously get more comfort from such face-value fiction in comparison to endless, scopeless truth.

Science has no limits. It's infinitely fascinating. Let me look through a microscope over a Bible any day. So there. There is your substitute.

If you can't find wonder in the real World, in the Universe then I have no hope for you. Because nothing is more beautiful, empowering, glorious, comforting and magnificent than the truth. Than Science. If it weren't for Science you wouldn't have that keyboard to type through to express your thoughts. Science is the only thing that has helped, progressed and comforted mankind. Not bullshit.

So if you pick superstition and bronze-age mythology over that? I feel sorry for you.

I for myself just don't want to believe in nothing. because what I think it's logic or rational... - well, do you see people act rational? do you see logic makes our life better? or easier? do you see logic governs the world? what you claim as "right" maybe is more right to act like. I acted logic as well - and what I'm doing? I waste my time and my life makeing my BA, because you have to have some kind of education/training - that's logic to base your life on. Then you cannot live from nothing.

What's this nonsense. Religious people always spew this ridiculous crap.

Just because you don't believe in a fucking absurd notion such as god does not mean you're empty and have no beliefs in anything lmao. I believe in Science, I believe in truth, I believe in irony, humour, the arts. I get far more satisfaction from Mozart or The Office than some gibberish about some middle-eastern tramps doing magic tricks.

You also just typed one of the most ridiculous paragraphs of contradiction and idiocy I've ever seen. You're trying to emphasize how logic doesn't make you life better or easier. What the fuck do you think you just used to type that sentence, a lot easier and less stressful than writing it? That's right - A keyboard. Which was created through the realms of Science using LOGIC and RATIONALITY.

That keyboard or that PC / Laptop was not given to you by god. Neither was your car that you may have to relieve your legs of walking. Or that plane you may get on, to fly to another beautiful location on this planet, a new culture, a new life in a matter of hours. Or that watch you may have on your wrist. Or that mobile phone you may have that you can use to contact any of your good friends and relatives at any time you like as opposed to having to go and manually see them.

No, you see - All of those things are from Science. They were all created by logic and they all make your life easier. Anything you can possibly think of which relieves you for REAL in the REAL WORLD in some way is Science. Not mythology or god or the fucking bible.

you can claim "people turn your brains on"
- but that doesn't help parents who lost their child in a car accident "oh, my child is now - it's rotting underground. its soul is now - well it doesn't exist anymore and anywhere" but if they can believe "it's maybe at a better place" it comforts them

that's the kind of belief I think people sometimes need and I don't think that's wrong

I know that isn't everything and I know religion is a bit of an antiquated concept and I know in religions name were caused many crimes
but the most people just wnat to believe in something they can rely on in bad times

But if you seriously believe that nonsense then you are deluded.

Seriously believing something and it being comforting and trying to fool yourself that you believe something because it's comforting are very different things.

For example. I believe that when I go to the doctors, the doctor will be able to accurately tell me more or less what my problem is due to the fact they've studied medicine for 7 years. That comforts me. Their level of knowledge comforts me enough to put trust in them.

And, by the fact you're still alive and well - That quite clearly comforts you too. If it didn't, why wouldn't you just pray when you're ill. Is that helpful? Does praying cure you? Does praying yourself out of a broken leg fix your leg? Of course not. Once again SCIENCE and LOGIC. Medical science not only makes your life easier but it fucking saves your live.

And that's where you get comfort. Truth. Reliable truth. Believing that there is a supernatural creator which you cannot see, hear or have contact with, that he / she is infinitely powerful, means for everything to happen and is watching you 24/7 but you have no real reason to suspect he / she really exists is not comforting. That's just insane.

And I for example, lost a very close friend 2 years ago. He was 17, got shot with a pellet gun and died. So I'm speaking from personal experience. Now at no point did the thought enter my head of "oh he's gone to heaven" or "god meant to do that" wtf is that. That is in no way fucking comforting because I know it's not true. It's bollocks.

What's comforting is his life. So I accept the truth, the FACT that he is DEAD, GONE, Kaput and I ride out the pain. I cry until I can't cry no more. Then the comfort comes from his memories. The joy I had with him when he was alive. Pictures, videos. Specific incidents. That's the true comfort. That's the consolation not some fairytale myth that his 'soul' has floated off to heaven. What a load of rubbish.

It's in no way comforting because it's not true and I fail to see how any sensible human being could convince themselves that it seriously was true unless they're deluded. And if they can't seriously convince themselves it's TRUE then it is NOT comforting even to them. It's a wannabe comfort, a fake comfort.

And as I've stated, if that's the only possible positive for religion you can try trump with then you're in trouble because I've got a million negatives. Religion harms psychology more than it cares for it and is one of the sole biggest causers PERIOD to wars on Earth. In fact all religion has positively created on earth from day one is misery. Human misery.

It's not nice, it's not comforting, it's not true and it's not helpful. It's false, harmful, destructive and vile. It's also a pathway to extremist thinking due to its totally irrational circular state of mind.

If you seriously get any real solace from that crap then good luck to you because you'll need it.

Like I said - If you ever get cancer, don't be a hypocrite huh. Since you don't think Science and logic help you out, see how far fucking praying to your invisible god gets you. Or when you need to get to work or college or whatever, leave the car. That's dirty logic, it doesn't help remember, try asking god to magically transport you. Fucking nonsense.

[Knight-ofthe-Pen]

EminemBase you got me totaly wrong.
I don't speak of God or an omnipotent creator, who is watching mit 24/7 and is controlling me. Hell no, of course not. I'm not catholic.

And religion wouldn't have been that successful if people wanted to be self-responsible for everything. That is not against you, I mean you're right at that point, but that is one of the reasons why religion is/was so successful.

And sure science can do good and if I ever get seriously ill I will go to a doctor, sure. And I appreciate the cmofort modern culture is giving me. But science invented also the weapons to the world - I know this sounds lame, but sorry for my lack in the English language and cannot overbeat you with well soudning sentences.
I just want to say: there is always the other side to the coin, because mankind is involved.

And I haven't said your empty, when you're not believing in religious ways.
I'm not religious either. But yeah it comforts me to think, my greatgrandmother is at a better place know - call it heaven or not, that's not the point. And it comforts me to think, when I die I might can meet all the relatives I had never the chance to meet. Like my grandparents - from both sides, they died before I was born or when I was a couple of years old and maybe my thinking is from that time, when my parents had to tell me I will never meet them, but there are at a good place now.
But that doesn't mean I wouldn't know they don't exist anymore. I know they're rotting in they coffins and their souls stopped being when their heartbeats stopped. I know that, so what? The world's not turning down form knowing that and it does not either by thinking they have it good now.

Don't get me that wrong when I'm saying, some people might feel that comfortable and don't get me wrong when I say some people maybe like praying and believing in god - or in whatever.
That doesn't mean I would deny modern society and science and whatever you did write above. I cannot point it out so good sounding as you did. Sure I agree with you most of the times and maybe it's childish to hope, your soul existence continues.

And maybe you think it's all wrong what I wrote - do it, whatever. Weren't you supposed not to write in here any more, but you did. People aren't rational and logic all the way through, that's what I wanted to say. And why is it so disturbing and disgusting to you, when people like to go to church and pray before they go to sleep? You don't have to.
And if you point out another time how many crimes religion caused - I say it again: it's not religion, it's mankind. Humans start wars over everything and religion was one of the reasons and one of the institution to get more power over the world. I don't say that to defend religion, but just believing in god, going to church and praying a bit don't kill people. Even if they lie to themselves doing so, that does not hurt anyone.

You are trying to force the reader of your post to avert belief and convert to science. Just now organize yourself and some people, build a lab and try to controll the world and you're as good as the pope. Congratulations.

[EminemBase]

EminemBase you got me totaly wrong.
I don't speak of God or an omnipotent creator, who is watching mit 24/7 and is controlling me. Hell no, of course not. I'm not catholic.

Lmao it doesn't matter if you think your personal definition of god meets this criteria. People constantly do this, try and re-shape the meaning of the word to the point it loses its actual meaning.

God means a supernatural creator. Plain and simple. So if you're not talking about a supernatural intelligence which governs the Universe or at least created it, you shouldn't use the word god.

And religion wouldn't have been that successful if people wanted to be self-responsible for everything. That is not against you, I mean you're right at that point, but that is one of the reasons why religion is/was so successful.

No my point was that religion by its nature tries to relieve humans of ultimate responsibility. I mean, you're often born into uncontrollable, inescapable and pure sin which happened before you were even thought up and you're supposed to be everlastingly guilty for this. Without actually taking responsibility.

In Christianity for example, god offers his / her son as a sacrifice which you must either accept or burn in hell for not accepting. This is the definition of scapegoating. Offloading responsibility onto a figure of sacrifice to relieve personal responsibility.

This is why religion has been so successful and it's also because people want to survive their death. This life isn't enough for them. They want eternal existence. You can guarantee that without this get out of jail free card, this free prize at the end of it - Religion wouldn't be nearly as successful. It prays on people's inner-most desire to NOT dissolve into nothingness. This doesn't make it true however.

And sure science can do good and if I ever get seriously ill I will go to a doctor, sure. And I appreciate the cmofort modern culture is giving me. But science invented also the weapons to the world - I know this sounds lame, but sorry for my lack in the English language and cannot overbeat you with well soudning sentences.
I just want to say: there is always the other side to the coin, because mankind is involved.

Yes but it's not science that drove that evil use. Science itself is the quest for truth. Pure and simple. Truth that can be observed in some measurable, reliable real-world form based on evidence.

Of course there have been bad people who have misused this. There have also been bad people that have misused religion. The difference is, religion hasn't just been mistreated, its evil, twisted and sick at its very core. The desire to be a slave. To be eternally greatful and fearful of your almighty creator that you must never question.

Religion actually drives evil behaviour. Science does not. Science is pure and lacking in bias of any kind. Religion however is based on irrational circular belief and bias human opinions. This type of structure drives evil behaviour by nature. Religion is actually the cause.

And I haven't said your empty, when you're not believing in religious ways.
I'm not religious either. But yeah it comforts me to think, my greatgrandmother is at a better place know - call it heaven or not, that's not the point. And it comforts me to think, when I die I might can meet all the relatives I had never the chance to meet. Like my grandparents - from both sides, they died before I was born or when I was a couple of years old and maybe my thinking is from that time, when my parents had to tell me I will never meet them, but there are at a good place now.
But that doesn't mean I wouldn't know they don't exist anymore. I know they're rotting in they coffins and their souls stopped being when their heartbeats stopped. I know that, so what? The world's not turning down form knowing that and it does not either by thinking they have it good now.

Well I fail to see how you can find something comforting if you can't accept that it's true or likely.

It doesn't comfort me to think my friend may be in an afterlife because that is impossible. As soon as the thought arrives it's dismissed because it's nonsense. I don't gain solace from untruths.

I gain solace from truths. Science gives me comfort. Truth gives me comfort. Fairytales are not comforting, they're just false. And like I already said, if that's the only positive you can think of for religion, I have a million negatives. The bad fair outweights the good and that one 'good' is not significant enough to justify religion's existence by a long shot.

Do you know the most peaceful societies on Earth. The least violent, most integrated, socially adept countries? Among them are Sweden, Finland and Denmark, three of the top I believe. Guess what, those three are also three of the LEAST religious countries. Upto 85% atheist / agnostic.

Now do you know the most violent, destructive, primitive, dangerous, bronze-age, fallen societies on Earth? Of course you do. The middle-east. Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran. And you know what's coming next - They're the MOST religious countries on Earth. They in fact force it.

Quite clearly, that is overwhelming evidence that religion destroys societies and the 'comfort' you claim so many get from it obviously isn't a very real comfort otherwise those stats would be reversed. The countries that most denounce religion / superstition / myth and most embrace science, reality and truth are the most peaceful and comforted. By far. In black and white.

And maybe you think it's all wrong what I wrote - do it, whatever. Weren't you supposed not to write in here any more, but you did. People aren't rational and logic all the way through, that's what I wanted to say. And why is it so disturbing and disgusting to you, when people like to go to church and pray before they go to sleep? You don't have to.

That's the thing though. Don't you think I wouldn't give a shit about people's person beliefs if it caused me no bother. If they kept it to themselves. Problem is - THEY DO NOT.

Religion tries to force its ugly head into every corner of society whether you agree with it or not. They're based on bias, bronze-age, homephobic, racist rants and nonsense yet they think they have a right to have their voice elevated in democratic politics. Their nonsense is far from democratic. It's far closer to dictatorship. In fact is the source of many dictator's mindsets.

Religion is taught in schools to kids as fact. I know because I went to a Catholic school. Fortunately I was able to see through it as crap from day one but many kids cannot. We are born with the innate sense to accept information from authority as fact. This evolutionary trait is common among mammals, especially humans since we survive with our minds.

Children don't have the capacity or the time to try and sort through or outthink it. Life is too risky as a new human. So they're built to accept information from authority. This is why so many kids are brainwashed into believing the religion of their parents.

People keep saying why don't atheists leave religious people alone, are you fucking serious. Why don't they try leaving everybody else alone! They think they have a right to tell people how to live their lives, they mutilate the genitals of helpless boys and girls because despite god's 'perfect' design, they supposedly think they have been instructed to put finishing touches on it.

They poison education, politics, the economy and create war, prolonged poverty and dangerous mindsets in every aspect. Religion is by no means harmless and religious people do not keep it to themselves, they're not happy until you believe it too.

Do you see any atheists Churches. Do you get atheists knocking your door telling to not believe in god. Do you see atheists stood in the street with dictaphones demanding people ditch faith or face the hurrendous consequences. No you don't. Because atheism is a lack of believe based on safe, logic.

Religious people have bullied and meandered society for long enough now. We're fighting back. And what's absurd is, despite the fact they're bigoted bullies that force their beliefs on society and demand respect for that - YOU defend them. There's a heightened sense of respect people think religious people should get yet you don't adhere to that for politics or taste in music.

You defend their bigotry and justify their execution of it. They're the forceful bullies here, not atheists.

You are trying to force the reader of your post to avert belief and convert to science. Just now organize yourself and some people, build a lab and try to controll the world and you're as good as the pope. Congratulations.

No. I'm not forcing anybody. I'm stating my own views as strongly as I like because they're my views.

All I and any atheist positively promotes, especially to children is CRITICAL THINKING. Thinking for yourselves. That's the opposite of what religious do. Which is force their beliefs on people and tell kids they'll burn in hell if they refuse them. Religion is vile, forceful, harmful bigotry. Science is truth. Unbiased, pure truth. Based on reality.

And you say it's humanity causing suffering, no, the religious wars that have been faught are being had OVER religion. Religion itself is the cause. Because every religion thinks they are right because they're all based in irrational bigotry. Religion is the core cause of wars, not the upshot.

[Knight-ofthe-Pen]

ok, know what? I give up.
I don't waste my time any longer arguing with you about a subject I don't care much about. I'm not religous and when you have all your problems with other people views - I don't give a f**k.
I can admit: you have your statement, I can see your points and there's few truth in it somewhere hidden - You won. Feel lucky?

now I got work to do

[mrjizzbomber]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/02 ... tml?hpt=T2

I know I'm a little late, but this just popped up on cnn.com today.

This is a continuance of my argument that the horrors and evils of the Catholic Church did not end with the Inquisition / Crusades / Witch Trials. Some would hold the opinion that 3 decades of "widespread child abuse" being covered up is almost as bad as pillaging, raping, slaughtering Jews, Muslims, women, children, non-believers...

Oh, and Mother Teresa was an evil, diabolical and selfish bitch. If anyone actually disagrees, I can go into it. Yeah, way to portray that lunatic fuck as a saint.

- The Bomber

[EminemBase]

ok, know what? I give up.
I don't waste my time any longer arguing with you about a subject I don't care much about. I'm not religous and when you have all your problems with other people views - I don't give a f**k.
I can admit: you have your statement, I can see your points and there's few truth in it somewhere hidden - You won. Feel lucky?

now I got work to do

I actually don't have a problem with other people's views. Once again you've totally missed the point of all my argument, despite me constantly emphasizing it.

What I have a problem with, IS bigots. Religious people. Religious people force their views on everyone else not atheists. Atheists are just now fighting back because we've had centuries of it and we're sick of it.

Try fixing your distorted viewpoint of religious people and you may become a better person.

Bye.

[mrjizzbomber]

Oh, and Mother Teresa was an evil, diabolical and selfish bitch. If anyone actually disagrees, I can go into it. Yeah, way to portray that lunatic fuck as a saint.

- The Bomber

Can you expand on that for me

http://www.meteorbooks.com/index.html

I've read the book, but I think this is a preview of the first few chapters. You should get the general idea. Mother Teresa is a sham.

- The Bomber

[mrjizzbomber]

Oh, and Mother Teresa was an evil, diabolical and selfish bitch. If anyone actually disagrees, I can go into it. Yeah, way to portray that lunatic fuck as a saint.

- The Bomber

Can you expand on that for me

http://www.fitz-claridge.com/Articles/MotherTeresa.html

This is far far more concise, although I hate referencing a non-cited article... this is pretty much a synopsis of the book.

- The Bomber

[mrjizzbomber]

Before someone can make a comment...

I realize that for every corrupt / evil person in the Catholic Church I can throw out there, you can give me hundreds of people who are part of the organization because they believe they are truly making a positive impact - and often actually doing son - on the world.

It just seems that the people at the top consistently use the unlimited power of the Catholic Church's base followers to their advantage. Christianity has ultimately used the bible, the concept of God and Heaven and Hell and the widespread belief in the bible to further individual, personal gains.

http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153_10.asp

I said it once and it bears repeating. Money, money money. Our planet would be worldly/atheist, or at least packed with scientific skeptics, if it weren't for the enormous amount of money at stake. I mean, to be honest, its silly for anyone to believe in God... you probably rejected to notion of the tooth fairy at 3 years old, and Santa by 4, BECAUSE our culture is advanced enough to embrace scientific skepticism...BUT... There are billions upon billions of dollars of value in fooling the world into thinking God is real, and the Church is well aware of it.

Which is why you believe in God (if you do).

- The Bomber

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

No, that's not why I believe in God.

Thanks for playing.