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Postby $0 R3@L » May 20th, '07, 01:40

joelle wrote:I'm just going to say one more thing, and then I'm done, too.
The disrespect most of these theories and supporters of such towards the victims of these attacks is absolutely astounding. It truly disgusts me.
For Dylan Avery to label the phone calls of the victims to their friends and family as "extremely peculiar"..to suggest these calls were never made so "none of it matters"..to completely demean their deaths and causes of such..to flat-out tell the families of the victims of Flight 93 that the plane had not been overthrown and driven into a Pennsylvania field, when 95% of the plane was recovered and all the passengers were identified..for him to then shrug off questions of where all the passengers were by saying "I don't know. I only have theories"..for him to suggest the calls made were artificial, that the callers were being impersonated and the people who received the calls couldn't even realize it wasn't their loved one on the other end..and THEN for supporters of these theories to say things like (and I quote), "I think these people that think Flight 93 is a great movie, are using it to hide their pain. They don't want to admit to the truth and they would much rather believe their familiy members were heros." :shock: wtf? I sincerely hope this douche gets his ass kicked.
I mean, I really didn't think this much bullshit disrespect could be possible. That's really what angers me most about these theories. Yes, theories, because you cannot prove they are true, no more than Dylan Avery or Alex Jones can. Loose Change has so many holes in it, it's ridiculous, from the number of passengers per flight, to facts and numbers and unnecessary assumptions...there are 200+ errors in a movie that's just over an hour long, I believe. I realize this discussion also encumbers Alex Jones' film, but since the prick Dylan Avery worships him, I can only imagine what he's saying.
Honestly, it's the most insulting thing in the world to take a tragedy that happened and twist it just because most of the supporters want to be anti-government. So real, your signature, "FUCK BUSH", just emphasizes my point. And also.."The plan, however, was rejected by the Kennedy administration." <--- That right there is my point. First of all, just because someone had an idea years ago does not mean it pertains to what happened on 9-11. Secondly, of course people are capable of senseless murder. But an entire government, military, FBI, demolition crew, dozens of experts, etc etc etc etc? A little paranoia is healthy. But that's just ridiculous.
And Bar..I still don't buy it. I really don't. I don't buy the reasonings behind the government pulling this off. So we'd be nationalistic for about a month? 3,000 lives just so we'd like America a little bit more? Or how about the "rally America against arabs" angle? Since when does the gov need an excuse to start a war against public opinion? Even THIS war in Iraq is against public opinion. None of this shit adds up. At first when I heard about the conspiracy, I was surprised and interested. Then, I was convinced. Then, I was skeptical. Now I'm just downright offended. There's not a single part of this theory that makes unquestionable sense or has hard, tangible evidence that I can see (and believe me, I've tried to see. I thought that with a good percentage of people buying this, there had to be at least ONE substantial point. I've yet to find one that cannot be countered with something that makes just as much, if not more, sense).
All I ask is that we give the victims and their families some fucking respect.
Ok. I'm done for real now.


er respect? the victims own families want government to answer questions > 911truth.com

First of all, just because someone had an idea years ago does not mean it pertains to what happened on 9-11.


someone? er read again thats your GOVERNMENT MILITARY OFFICIALS who wrote them ideas not some random joe bloggs of the street.

it's the most insulting thing in the world to take a tragedy that happened and twist it just because most of the supporters want to be anti-government. So real, your signature, "FUCK BUSH", just emphasizes my point.


im far from anti-government,i think its healty we have powerful nations to try and prevent such accurances as we saw in nazi germany...im arguing about our currupt current governments actions not attacking the government system.

I really didn't think this much bullshit disrespect could be possible.


you better belive it ,the government your backing up assasinated the peoples elected president,jfk. I think itd be more disrespectful not to question september 11 events because there ARE so many unanswerd questions that the government officials are doing them damn best to avoid answering.


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Let's remember one thing, no one allowed them to go to war with Iraq anyway. Nato told them not to, but they did anyway. Why the fuck would they kill 3000 people to do what's perfectly easy anyway, they didn't even do it because of 911, they blamed it on the threat of Mass Destruction.


er when 911 happend they instantly had the majority of american public behind them seeking revenge or some sort of justice.united kingdom also jumped in...i also believe italy,france and spain all joined the war.It wernt all just about reasonings to take the country to war it was to put fear into the people.Each speech bush or his officials do its always 'terror ' 'terrorism' 'mass terror' .

America is like a bee hive and the government are coming along with a stick smacking the hive to make the bees (us) react....each time they want us to do their dirty work they smack that hive...if a few bees get squashed along the way thats by and by.

When they want to implement a global i.d card system what excuse do they use for doing so???? global terrorism! When they wanna rob a middle east country of its resources (oil) what do they blame???? global terrorism!

Your mistaken also fordie , When the war broke out it broke out on the basis of capturing Bin Laden.Because they were failing miserably at doing so the war suddenly became about Nuclear Missles.Government KNEW sadam hussain had chemical warheads we bloody sold them to iraqi in 1990's!!!! it was a perfect excuse to give america the justice it was crying for and to get a new source of such a declining energy source in the process.

Now the war and its reasons are finally being questioned and government are being forced to back out and im sure eventually they will.For how long??? who knows but when we're all being shipped of to fight a world war fordie we'll see who ''gullible'' then.
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Postby 4D » May 20th, '07, 02:57

Believe what ye want, we got loads of theories, lots of coincidences. Show me the proof, there's no such thing as a perfect crime. What Joelle said about all the people who would needed to be involved, there's no way all of them could keep quiet, let alone go along with it.
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Postby AspirinE » May 20th, '07, 10:07

4D wrote:Believe what ye want, we got loads of theories, lots of coincidences. Show me the proof, there's no such thing as a perfect crime. What Joelle said about all the people who would needed to be involved, there's no way all of them could keep quiet, let alone go along with it.


the proof is loads of videos :roll:, dont watch loose change the kid that made loose change didnt do much study (So real made a bad choice posting loose change lol). , i quoted a video here somewhere that expalains every deteal, especially about the WWC security and how on some floors explosives could easily be placed.

BETTER YET, the last smaller building that fell, fell from a small fire, so the official word says.. Thats a lie, its prooven a lie, they also fucked up mentioning the "lets pull it" thing. If they lied about that building, what makes u think they cant about another.

Its not a perfect crime, coz there are mistakes and these mistakes lead to these theories, these theories dont even nessesserally have to be 100% truth, but they raise questions, important question and how can you have unanswered questions when theres a war going on that appears as result and reveng for the events of that day.


On topic of state terrorism, there other countries that do that shit. I was in russia in 1999 where "terrorists" were blowing up house buildings(all of which are like 9 floors high) killing hundreds, its a time when people were afraind to sleep and everybody was on alert, wos one day a guy noticed motherfuckers loading bags of something out of his car and into the basement in the house. So somebody called the police and people came to "disable the bomb" and after 2 days of confusion, the government says those were teachings ... when no one was alerted, no records of these teachings, when the government was saying those were bags of sugar, but people who saw the substance said it wasnt and never looked nothing like it.
Regardless a few buildings were already blown up... and we had a war after that. The scenario is dangerously similar to what happened in the US.

Pure disaster, the "terrorism" was pwnd. And im a hardcore patriot and a supporter of putin, and still try to think that what happened was a bad attempt of covering a real terrorism in search for popularity or just keeping people calm. I dont know and i cant trust the government that lies to me. This shit happens. theres a war amongst those with the largest royal balls behind the curtain. Not believing is not "disproof".
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Postby AspirinE » May 20th, '07, 10:14

4D wrote:Let's remember one thing, no one allowed them to go to war with Iraq anyway. Nato told them not to, but they did anyway. Why the fuck would they kill 3000 people to do what's perfectly easy anyway, they didn't even do it because of 911, they blamed it on the threat of Mass Destruction.

Despite your intelligence Aspirine, you are really gullible sometimes. :whistle:


Im sorry but dont call me a gullible person when you say something as stupid as this.


How do you get americas approval to attack? how do you ensure that this isnt another vietnam. ANGER, 9/11 spewed nationalist patriotism, hatred for the "ragheads"...

Yes they didnt do it because of nine eleven, (i hate to generalise) but i think most of america didnt know the difference between husain and bin laden anyway, and the soldiers were taught that they go to revenge 9/11, but its masked by the words "to prevent another 9/11"

Plus theres money insurance involved in the WTC towers, they werent bringing full revenue.

No you're more gullible. The way ur saying it is exactly the way people wouldve been talking when Kennedy got shot. Serious historians dont even believe in the Aswald theory today.
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Postby D@vid » May 21st, '07, 00:38

4D wrote:Believe what ye want, we got loads of theories, lots of coincidences. Show me the proof, there's no such thing as a perfect crime. What Joelle said about all the people who would needed to be involved, there's no way all of them could keep quiet, let alone go along with it.




it actually is easy to keep ppl quiet about things. just think about all the CIA and FBI officials that do it all the time. most of the time they can't even tell their family what they do. the government has the power to do almost anything they want. i don't believe these laughable theories, but i just had to say that it is possible to hide things
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Re: 9-11 by the american government.

Postby allan » May 23rd, '07, 06:04

$0 R3@L wrote:Police State 9-11: Rise Of The Martial Law

http://stage6.divx.com/Louder-Than-Word ... ose-Change

watch that and tell me 911 was not a scheme conducted by the american government to re-unite the country aswell as many other profitable results.


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Re: 9-11 by the american government.

Postby LoCoScousa » Jul 20th, '07, 09:30

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com

Watch that. (skip about 20 to 30 minuets in)
Don't give a fuck what no one sez, the american government is full of shit. (mainly bush)
9/11 was orcastrated to control the country, or could have been to see if america would rise against its own govenments.
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Re: 9-11 by the american government.

Postby jBouchh » Sep 11th, '07, 15:50

yeah it was by our own government...
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