9-11 by the american government.

[$0 R3@L]

The way i see it, its not that much of a consipracy as the uneducated kids that made loose change suggest.

Simple state sponsored terrorism that achieved the needed goal of a war. A war which has a main objective to capture oil, same as WW1, same as WW2.

god damn, can you not use such hard words? j/p

I've seen a bunch of movies on this matter, it changed my views on it a lot, but then I change back saying "is the US that dumb?" if it is then why are we the top dogs?

lol

wut?

are you saying that the fact america is a 'top dog' means that there are in-capable to be so dumb into leaving such gapping holes in there blankets of lies?

thats a strange way of thinking bruv.

Cast your mind back to the jfk assasination and the mysterious 'magic bullet' such evidence is proof that goverments is capable of not covering all its tracks.I means its obvious theres bound to be questionable facts to such events

however there back is covered because all they then do is cast any people who question these events and goverment involvment as 'weirdos' and 'traitors'.How many times have you watched news shows interviewing people who question the attacks to only have the newsreader laugh them out the studio and casting them traitors all infront of the viewing nation.

therefore when people see such videos as the ones i have posted they auto response mechanism is to trash such evidental fact and slander it bullshit when infact its mearly facts.

even victims friends and families have began questioning the events and have set up their own campaign : http://www.911truth.org/ just futher proof that this isnt all just a 'conspiracy theory' by people with too much time.This is the thoughts and feelings of everyday normal people.

[D@vid]

again, its easy to say something is fact. that the war is for oil. i haven't really done much research, but i have never seen anything from the government that says the reason for the war is oil. simply putting forth ur own conclusion from some statements, as well as what u really believe in is ok, but i can't make an educated conclusion based on probabilities and conclusions of supposed obviousisms (made up word )


its kinda like the steroid thing in MLB. u can say its obvious, but u truly can't say it for sure unless u have true evidence. and most ppl are doing that

[Tash8]

yo what happened with the jfk assasination man? never heard anything about that.

[$0 R3@L]

but i have never seen anything from the government that says the reason for the war is oil.

yes because the goverment is gonna release that sorta information

go watch this tash http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7770214767 then lets have a mature debate about the facts.

[Tash8]

sorry cant, not on this computer atleast

i've seen both versions of loose changes, and yes it changed my views on shit

but i wanna know what happened with jfk!

[$0 R3@L]

yo what happened with the jfk assasination man? never heard anything about that.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9849429062

or go rent jfk starring kevin costner for a hollywood display of the facts if documentaries cant hold ya attention for long enough.

[D@vid]

but i have never seen anything from the government that says the reason for the war is oil.

yes because the goverment is gonna release that sorta information

i understand, but then how do u know its fact. its like saying someone drank ur glass of water when it was sitting there for three days and ppl walked by it a lot. how do u not know it evaporated? guesses are not true facts

[Tash8]

yo david, have you watched 24? yea i know it's fictional show, but they cover up shit and that's how the government is. their not gonna say oh we want oil, so let's attack iraq.

their gonna cover up the reason their in there.. have we found an WMD, no we haven't...

[D@vid]

yo david, have you watched 24? yea i know it's fictional show, but they cover up shit and that's how the government is. their not gonna say oh we want oil, so let's attack iraq.

their gonna cover up the reason their in there.. have we found an WMD, no we haven't...

but thats my point. if i accused u of stealing a tv that u really didn't steal, u would be pissed. its all guessing/conspiracies and no facts

[$0 R3@L]

but i have never seen anything from the government that says the reason for the war is oil.

yes because the goverment is gonna release that sorta information

i understand, but then how do u know its fact. its like saying someone drank ur glass of water when it was sitting there for three days and ppl walked by it a lot. how do u not know it evaporated? guesses are not true facts

dude watch that damn video,the 3 hour one.I gurantee when you hear the proven facts youll see what im talking about.

how do u know its fact.

ok for example the collapsing of building seven in the same complex as the twin towers.The reasons for this buildings collapse was 'intense fire slowly weakend the buildings foundations'.there was infact buildings closer to the twins towers then building seven that didnt receive any damage.Giulliana (who owns the twin tower complex) happend to have stated on live t.v 'firemen said we had to pull building seven so we pulled it and watched it collapse'.....

''pulled'' is a demolition term for demolition,to knock down a building via controlled explosions

it also happens that every building that was destroyed and fell on 911 was owned by Giulliana and he just happend to have had each building insured 7 weeks before 911 for billions of dollars.

[Tash8]

sure, but they have theories and evidence too.. if they just speculated everyone would trash their ideas.. but if you watched loose changes it'd really show how their are misprints in the US goverement blame

[$0 R3@L]

oh and guess who ran security for the twin tower complex???


















marvin bush,geogre bushes brother.

also his working contract for the twin towers complex also just happend to end on september 11th 2001.

[AspirinE]

seriously people i cant urge you to watch this documentary enough:

Police State 9-11: Rise Of The Martial Law

and i agree asp it isnt a conspiracy theroy its actual fact.If you watch the links i have posted you will see this.And david infact media are more corrupt then you would belive.

Infact media outlets have been used to sway peoples beiliefs, feelings and laws since world war one.All you have to do is refer yourself to the propaganda posters goverment officials putout towards citizens during ww1 and 2 , casting them 'cowards' or it being 'treason' if they didnt enlist in the country armys.

but loose change documentary has as a lot of loose ends of it own, that are no more than speculation.

Like explosives leftovers that they claim are found, when scientifically it can be proven that its one of those compounds largely present in the building itself.

I'm not an engineer, but somewhat of an architect, and i asked my professor about the possibility of knocking down a tower, the way he explained it to me was.

"with the given velocity and impact + explosion + plus heat weakening structure(note that it doesn't haven't to melt any metal to weaken it)"

I kind of think people gotta think with open minds, and that every proposed conspiracy is purposely exaggerated due to bias, so u take out the main facts , facts that have iron proof and you build your thesis like that.


And the main fact is, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, yet millions of americans were led to believe so in a sheep-like manner, and some unfortunate, mentally challenged conservative christian republicans still believe all the bullshit they are told. Bin laden is no where to be found and nobody is looking for him, and better yet nobody cares that the real terrorists find cover in countries like Pakistan.

[$0 R3@L]

"with the given velocity and impact + explosion + plus heat weakening structure(note that it doesn't haven't to melt any metal to weaken it)"

another point that makes no sense,how fire 'weakend' the building therefore leading it to collapse.When just before the towers collapsed people were seen within the gash areas the planes had collided with the building,people where running around the exact floors planes had hit the building standing on the edge of the gashs waving for help....

therefore the fire couldnt of been that intense,considering the winsor tower complex in spain burnt for two days in 2005 and it didnt fall....yet building seven on the twin tower complex stood for 50 minutes with a moderate fire within and it collapsed?

and i agree loose change probably isnt that good to examin for unbiased evidence however check this video asp and lets talk after...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7770214767

[AspirinE]

Man u dont have to convince me, but im just saying an educated person with intents to discredit loose change could do so by pointing out countless misjudged evidence.


Like phonecalls: in loose change they are saying that at that height.. yada yada .. they couldn't have made calls. But they don't take into account that the plane took a plunge to the height of the center of the WTC a long way before it hit the buildings, coz it certainly didnt fall on the building from the sky.

but i believe the video does wat its intended to do, to make people interested.


as for the alex jones video, i think i watched it before but cant be bothered now, since i have just loaded a dvd rip of "the prestige". lmao...