What happens after death?

[Wallace]

We go to the Heaven if we were good people and to the hell if we were bad people. God really exists.

Please say your not serious.

I'm serious. I think it really happens... the people who think we born, grow up and death for nothing and we came from nothihg or big bang's are the not serious person.

[LoCoScousa]

I can just about make sense of what you say so I will take as your not being serious.

So... who has told you they have been to heaven in person? what conclusive evidence (Apart from any biblical so called "diary" as thats not evidence, more of an account of what "might" happen after death.) says you go to heaven if your good and hell if you die?

Whats to say that we have no purpose? A mean, it is in are nature to destroy ourselves, so why would we even have an after life? (As would could just do the same in the afterlife as what we have done here on earth.)

Answer that.

[Wallace]

I can just about make sense of what you say so I will take as your not being serious.

So... who has told you they have been to heaven in person? what conclusive evidence (Apart from any biblical so called "diary" as thats not evidence, more of an account of what "might" happen after death.) says you go to heaven if your good and hell if you die?

Whats to say that we have no purpose? A mean, it is in are nature to destroy ourselves, so why would we even have an after life? (As would could just do the same in the afterlife as what we have done here on earth.)

Answer that.

Then you think that only because we haven't visible proof that we go to heaven or hell you think it's wrong??? Don't stay locked in the science, there's so much limitations in the science to it say the whole truth... We have a objective, or not??? In the science, everything happens because of somethin', everything have a explanation, why don't in the religion?? the nature destroy our bodies, but the soul stay alive (our soul are imortal), and the soul go to heaven or hell... There's a big buch of unexplanable things that only religion show why it happens... who is more advanced, science or religion??? I believe in God cuz If God doesn't existed I would die with only 2 moths of life cuz I had more that 20 diseases in my life begining... and my mother and father survived as a miracle in a bunch of situations.. that's why I believe in god... but I can't convince who have this thought like you.. we will see who's right when we die...

[LoCoScousa]

Rhetorical question.. hence the wink.

The most simple of the simplest answers would have been, "it's a question of faith"

As for science, I know a large portion helps understanding of how life was created and not why we are here, but in this case its more down to logic and theory.

fuck death and lets start with the beginning of life and its origins, Adam and Eve as the biblical story tells it.

Question one: Why is it that Adam and Eve are Caucasian but we live in a multi-cultural world?

Question two: Why is it inbred people become deformed and let's say incapable of submitting any intelligence what so ever instead of calling them stupid ass people. but yet people get smarter and smarter everyday? Not forgetting we are supposed to be inbred but we carry no deformities and if we did they are genetic, so if one person has it the we are all supposed to if we came from the same people at the birth of life.

Question three: If there is an Adam and Eve to every biblical diary, maybe not that same name but if there is.. then how did the world start from just two people? Or the opposite could be.. (No offense as this is not a racist comment!) are other cultures and race's the deformities that have been made in time as in time (Meaning past tense.) they have been frowned upon and bullied through out the ages into making them think they are a disease when they are just like you or me?

If you can answer them three questions, then you can answer what happens in the afterlife.
I wouldn't say heaven is bullshit, but i wouldn't say its true either
Like god, how can you prove he is there? On the other hand, how can you prove he is not?

[Wallace]

Rhetorical question.. hence the wink.

The most simple of the simplest answers would have been, "it's a question of faith"

As for science, I know a large portion helps understanding of how life was created and not why we are here, but in this case its more down to logic and theory.

fuck death and lets start with the beginning of life and its origins, Adam and Eve as the biblical story tells it.
If you can answer them three questions, then you can answer what happens in the afterlife.
I wouldn't say heaven is bullshit, but i wouldn't say its true either
Like god, how can you prove he is there? On the other hand, how can you prove he is not?

Question one: Why is it that Adam and Eve are Caucasian but we live in a multi-cultural world?
R: Can you PROOF that Adam and Eve are caucasian?? if you want proof from me you need to proof what you say too. How can you proof God doesn't even exist?? It's so easy put the hot potato in my hand to proof that God exists.. why don't you proof god doens't exist??

Question two: Why is it inbred people become deformed and let's say incapable of submitting any intelligence what so ever instead of calling them stupid ass people. but yet people get smarter and smarter everyday? Not forgetting we are supposed to be inbred but we carry no deformities and if we did they are genetic, so if one person has it the we are all supposed to if we came from the same people at the birth of life.
R: Cuz the stupid ass people was the people who got defects in the birth! Hey, as a punishment of God because of the bad acting of eve, some of the humans be born with defects!!!

Question three: If there is an Adam and Eve to every biblical diary, maybe not that same name but if there is.. then how did the world start from just two people? Or the opposite could be.. (No offense as this is not a racist comment!) are other cultures and race's the deformities that have been made in time as in time (Meaning past tense.) they have been frowned upon and bullied through out the ages into making them think they are a disease when they are just like you or me?
R: Stupid dum-ass question.. "How did the worold start with 2 people?" Hey man, there's somethin called sex, have you ever heard about it? the differences between the people occured beacause of the separation of the groupies! Remeber about the Babel's tower??

I don't know about all.... but, see, the science, that you are tryin to elevate to where it can't be elevated, can't aswer 100 percent correctly that too....
or you think science responds all??? Let me say you somethin...
1 - Before Big-Bang, what was the unverse???

And if you say to me "Where God comes from?", I answer: God is auto-existent!!!

[C-Game]

it depends on religious beliefs

[Wallace]

it depends on religious beliefs

yes it dependes of religious believes, and I have beliefs, I ain't a no-way-to-go, no-what-to-belive like this LaCoScousa...

[LoCoScousa]

R: Can you PROOF that Adam and Eve are caucasian?? if you want proof from me you need to proof what you say too. How can you proof God doesn't even exist?? It's so easy put the hot potato in my hand to proof that God exists.. why don't you proof god doens't exist??

To begin...

Like god, how can you prove he is there? On the other hand, how can you prove he is not?

Well all through the ages it has been expressed near enough through every priest, church, ministry and so on an so fourth, yet the Saviour of the world (Known as Jesus.) is from Jerusalem, yet it was expressed he is white also. Now you point out to me in the bible where Adam, Eve or Jesus was either black or white.
This is the point I put forward to your great religion, if its so great, then why does it fail to mention the race that precedes it.
I said Caucasian because whites all through the ages have been adamant that Adam, Eve, God and Jesus is white when there sacred bible makes them none the wiser, but yet whites stamped out on other races wanting to call Jesus their own and in their own skin tone.

The only answer could be, god wanted us to perceive him how we saw fit, but creating his bible through the human race he must have thought.. "well this will cause wars, but fuck it." what do you think?

R: Cuz the stupid ass people was the people who got defects in the birth! Hey, as a punishment of God because of the bad acting of eve, some of the humans be born with defects!!!

Thats where science comes in, your just to blind to see that shit can happen, shit happens, some people pull through, others don't.
Its the will power of the person as you can unlock energy in the body and mind that makes you stronger, want to know how? We use 10% of our brains, if that, if you can unlock other parts as some people do, imagine what you or I can do, now work that one out!
(I have already gained benefits from it.)Nothing to do with a man hiding in the clouds.

R: Stupid dum-ass question.. "How did the worold start with 2 people?" Hey man, there's somethin called sex, have you ever heard about it? the differences between the people occured beacause of the separation of the groupies! Remeber about the Babel's tower??

What a stupid ass answer, this made me laugh. Lmfao.
Anyway, if "god" would really step to "his people of the world" making everyone speak a different language, then creating separation round the world all because they tried to reach his heavens gates before the afterlife had set in, don't you think people committing suicide would be on the same level?
Why doesn't he get mad when American An British army soldiers kill innocents in the middle east?

Would you get mad and build a wall between all?

Yeah its called sex and you far from answered my question correctly, you just tried to pawn it off with some other mind scam from the bible, so there for your answer is irrelevant.

I don't know about all.... but, see, the science, that you are tryin to elevate to where it can't be elevated, can't aswer 100 percent correctly that too....
or you think science responds all??? Let me say you somethin...
1 - Before Big-Bang, what was the unverse???

Where does it say I think science has all the answers? Are you dyslexic or do you just skip read what i have typed? I shall refresh your memory!

As for science, I know a large portion helps understanding of how life was created and not why we are here, but in this case its more down to logic and theory.

Large portion being the key words, meaning not everything can be answered!
Its undeterminable, but down to theory it wasn't much different, just a lot smaller as the universe expands all the time, we are just part of that expansion, yet did i say it was the big bang that created us..?

And if you say to me "Where God comes from?", I answer: God is auto-existent!!!

Lol your bullshit never ends, I'm sorry but that question was never in mind, silly person.

The most simple of the simplest answers would have been, "it's a question of faith"

This would have been the best way for you to end the argument before it had begun, but this leads me to think your not a true follower of the bible, "turn the other cheek to oppression, intimidation, aggravation, injury, mild or major insults" so on and so forth, but yet... here you are trying to insult me, when only I have asked a few questions of you, yes i have created oppression and to be honest, it looks like it has taken its tole as you have thought about your answers too hard, or not at all, either way you have sinned for that answers you gave me.

Still feeling big balled about your religion when I seem to know more?

Did i ever say I'm not a religious person?

I'll let you answer for me.


(P.s. It's LoCoScousa and learn to read and write/type.)

[Wallace]

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U made me laugh!!!
guy, understand, put in you fucking head, I don't need to lose time making you believe in the truth if you are locked in the lie!!!

Anyway, if "god" would really step to "his people of the world" making everyone speak a different language, then creating separation round the world all because they tried to reach his heavens gates before the afterlife had set in, don't you think people committing suicide would be on the same level?
Why doesn't he get mad when American An British army soldiers kill innocents in the middle east?

Would you get mad and build a wall between all?

God forgot the earth, remeber?? U don't read the bible??? God forgot the earth, put it on your own luck (or bad luck) because of our sins!!!

This is the point I put forward to your great religion, if its so great, then why does it fail to mention the race that precedes it

Race doesn't even exist!!! it's a failed concept that was completely ended by the genetic!!!
I think that u aren' unbderstand nothin!! We are all equal!!! U acting like a RACIST!!

The only answer could be, god wanted us to perceive him how we saw fit, but creating his bible through the human race he must have thought.. "well this will cause wars, but fuck it." what do you think?

R: Don't question God makes. He know that He makes! We gone for the wrong way!!! This consequences beacame from what WE HUMANS DO!

Where does it say I think science has all the answers? Are you dyslexic or do you just skip read what i have typed? I shall refresh your memory!

at least you understood what I mean... don't believe all the science says to beging truth.. I don't say that all in the bible is truth Te mainly mesage, god exists, is the only certain true!

P.s. It's LoCoScousa and learn to read and write/type.)

R: you are so silly that even a error of typing is revelant... U perfect?? U don't miss a letter or word??? So fucking ridiculous man...

Hey man I want to tell you somethin... nothin you say will make me change my thoughts! Amd I ain't even trying to change your thoughts!! I respect them, remember, you started the discussion!!!

[LoCoScousa]

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U made me laugh!!!
guy, understand, put in you fucking head, I don't need to lose time making you believe in the truth if you are locked in the lie!!!

Thats rich coming from someone who believes their religion to be all powerful when in actual fact it is a personified version of previous religions strung together in a different area of the world.

God forgot the earth, remeber?? U don't read the bible??? God forgot the earth, put it on your own luck (or bad luck) because of our sins!!!

Yeah O'kay, like god is going to forget about his so called "greatest creation".
However, this was not the point to what i said.
How can you say that in that age everyone on the planet spoke the same language? For one, just look at the Indus or the Egyptian civilizations many millenia before Christ was even around, so did they speak the same language when co-existing around the same time before Christ?
It has been proved they far from did, yet they were not that far away from each other on the planet.
Hence the Babel tower is just another mascaraed to keep people from trying to touch the heavens, knowing full well its far from there.

Race doesn't even exist!!! it's a failed concept that was completely ended by the genetic!!! I think that u aren' unbderstand nothin!! We are all equal!!! U acting like a RACIST!!

O'kay, yes, that sounded a bit harsh but my point was, if god is all powerful and all seeing, then why the fuck didn't he express to all his children across the lands with mentioning the Ethnics he created?
little quote in the bible wouldn't harm no one as it would have savored from wars over this religion on who's it really was/is and what back ground it came from, being Ethnic or Caucasian, many have died from this book on just this quarrel alone, so don't ever say I don't understand nothing when in actual fact its you that doesn't understand you part of a scheme in control.

R: Don't question God makes. He know that He makes! We gone for the wrong way!!! This consequences beacame from what WE HUMANS DO!

Haha. Lol once again.
You really are blind and oppression makes it even more so on you.
God knows what he makes, but yet he made umpteen other bibles for people to fight over on who's religion is the greatest and which is the all time faith, if he knows what he makes, then why does he fail to mention how he makes it? He is all powerful and I'm sure many wouldn't mind sparing a few minuets to find out how he created earth and all thats in it right down to the last detail.

at least you understood what I mean... don't believe all the science says to beging truth.. I don't say that all in the bible is truth Te mainly mesage, god exists, is the only certain true!

Never said you did say the bible is all truth, but you before hand said that I reside in science, if your wrong about that, then what else are you wrong about?

Just like you can say god is true, I can say he is not. Neither can prove this other wise.
Thats the beauty of religion, making faith apart of life, knowing full well you can't prove something, makes people believe in it even more, as god is supposed to be powerful, if you don't follow then your life shall become condemned, so what happens to Atheists or people that don't follow the ten commandments?

R: you are so silly that even a error of typing is revelant... U perfect?? U don't miss a letter or word??? So fucking ridiculous man...

No, its called being able to express without confusion, I spend a lot of my time trying to interpret what you are saying because you can't type the English language, so its far from ridiculous, the only thing that is, is your incompetent skill at grammar and your blind knowledge of history.

Hey man I want to tell you somethin... nothin you say will make me change my thoughts! Amd I ain't even trying to change your thoughts!! I respect them, remember, you started the discussion!!!

I'm not trying to change your thoughts, I'm merely stating points of view and wanted opinions from a highly (dominated by religion.) religious believer.

There is always pros and cons to any situation, in the case study of the bible and what I know of it, it would seem the cons out weight the pros, back then, now and in the future.

Just to add, did you know that Christianity stole its ideas from the pagan and Egyptian forms of religion? don't believe..? then watch this before you re-post with your bible nonsense, you have plenty of time to post, because as of tomorrow I will be on route to do things that far from include the Internet in my daily life, so think about what you say before posting.

Watch this before you do:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... &plindex=2

[Wallace]

Thats rich coming from someone who believes their religion to be all powerful when in actual fact it is a personified version of previous religions strung together in a different area of the world

No, man I know the religions have errors... BUT ADMIT SCEINCE IS NOT 100 PER CENT CORRECT. We jest 2 people trying to dsicover what teh meaning, the origin of the life.. u use a way, me another...

Yeah O'kay, like god is going to forget about his so called "greatest creation".
However, this was not the point to what i said.
How can you say that in that age everyone on the planet spoke the same language? For one, just look at the Indus or the Egyptian civilizations many millenia before Christ was even around, so did they speak the same language when co-existing around the same time before Christ?
It has been proved they far from did, yet they were not that far away from each other on the planet.
Hence the Babel tower is just another mascaraed to keep people from trying to touch the heavens, knowing full well its far from there.

You know when this biblical episode happened? I think no... then don't think that is just because , in accord from the bible, Jesus gone to the earth 2007 yeras ago that it's in that age that Babel's supposedly happened.

O'kay, yes, that sounded a bit harsh but my point was, if god is all powerful and all seeing, then why the fuck didn't he express to all his children across the lands with mentioning the Ethnics he created?
little quote in the bible wouldn't harm no one as it would have savored from wars over this religion on who's it really was/is and what back ground it came from, being Ethnic or Caucasian, many have died from this book on just this quarrel alone, so don't ever say I don't understand nothing when in actual fact its you that doesn't understand you part of a scheme in control.

personally, i think that the etnichal diferrences was because of teh different climatic situations all over the world... and I heard one time that the caucasian was a skin disease...

Haha. Lol once again.
You really are blind and oppression makes it even more so on you.
God knows what he makes, but yet he made umpteen other bibles for people to fight over on who's religion is the greatest and which is the all time faith, if he knows what he makes, then why does he fail to mention how he makes it? He is all powerful and I'm sure many wouldn't mind sparing a few minuets to find out how he created earth and all thats in it right down to the last detail.

Blind are you! I never said I never questioned some religions or dogmas!! It's a stupid question... "Why God doen't put in the bible how He created the earth"... i don't even will talk about it... and the other question from U "why He created other bible's" it's simply stupid!! God created one bible, and the people deturped and created other from thwe original (see that islamic religion is irracional for a God's creation, the islamics deturped the original message!)

Just like you can say god is true, I can say he is not. Neither can prove this other wise.
Thats the beauty of religion, making faith apart of life, knowing full well you can't prove something, makes people believe in it even more, as god is supposed to be powerful, if you don't follow then your life shall become condemned, so what happens to Atheists or people that don't follow the ten commandments?

I think that atheists go to the hell at least u finally admiting that we both can't prove what we say... but I have at least a font... the bible... u... u have just some thoughts

No, its called being able to express without confusion, I spend a lot of my time trying to interpret what you are saying because you can't type the English language, so its far from ridiculous, the only thing that is, is your incompetent skill at grammar and your blind knowledge of history

I simply don't have time to waste with ya!! That's why I type quick!! I'm in 2 foruns at the same time, downlaodin and searching songs, hearing songs... u are just distracting me!! I'm not confused! but I admit, I'm liking it and you don't know about me to say that I know or don't know history! Since new, I was always the first in or the second on the classmath and even today my biggest results are from history so don't say shit! (now you will say tha only good results ins tests don't make me a intellligent person in history ) U a JOKE!!

I'm not trying to change your thoughts, I'm merely stating points of view and wanted opinions from a highly (dominated by religion.) religious believer.

I ain't dominated by religion, if you say it it's meaning that u dominated by science, cuz I opined and you opined too, if u didn't have quoted me I won't have started nothin!! U QUOTED ME, REMEMBER!!!


and I'm busy too, I need to study from tests tomorrow, if you want to continue it I recomend you to add me in MSN.. just search it... or, more easy to you, my MSN is
[REMOVED By MYSELF]
I'm waiting for you...

[LoCoScousa]

No, man I know the religions have errors... BUT ADMIT SCEINCE IS NOT 100 PER CENT CORRECT. We jest 2 people trying to dsicover what teh meaning, the origin of the life.. u use a way, me another...

Look, I have said all I have to on that issue, I Know science isn't but it doesn't have as many major flaws like religion does.
This is what I said about science:

As for science, I know a large portion helps understanding of how life was created and not why we are here, but in this case its more down to logic and theory.

You know when this biblical episode happened? I think no... then don't think that is just because , in accord from the bible, Jesus gone to the earth 2007 yeras ago that it's in that age that Babel's supposedly happened.

According to the Genesis geneology, the Biblical Flood took place when Noah was 600 years old, which, assuming the earth to have been created in 4004 BC, would place the Flood at about 2400 BC (about the same time as the Pyramids were being built). Yet no historical records of that time period, from the Egyptians, Phoenecians, Greeks or anybody else, mentions any such event (they could, after all, hardly have missed it). Historical records from such ancient civilizations as the Chinese or the inhabitants of the Indus Valley show no period of time where these civilizations were suddenly wiped out by a global flood, to be slowly repopulated later. There is simply no evidence whatever, from archeology, geology or history, which indicate a worldwide flood that wiped out all but eight people.

Thats also to put it in plain text, I could have gone on more but I, like you, have to be up bright and early.

personally, i think that the etnichal diferrences was because of teh different climatic situations all over the world... and I heard one time that the caucasian was a skin disease...

Yeah, I've heard that to, but either race can argue that point.
I agree with your climatic situations, as that was the answer I was looking for, its my theory also but still doesn't explain all.

Blind are you! I never said I never questioned some religions or dogmas!! It's a stupid question... "Why God doen't put in the bible how He created the earth"... i don't even will talk about it... and the other question from U "why He created other bible's" it's simply stupid!! God created one bible, and the people deturped and created other from thwe original (see that islamic religion is irracional for a God's creation, the islamics deturped the original message!)

Its called common courtesy, who is god to stand in the way of peoples questions?
(Thats if he is real btw Lol.) (Also refers to the quote I make about you and me.)
People want to know, what is the meaning of life, personally I think its to survive and to live it out as people do, but many expect more, never know, there could be more, but people would like to know this, why, when he is no better than you or I, won't god tell us what we are created for?
Simply, because its a story, an not even the people that created the bible could think of something logical.

Funny you should mention the Islamics, I find that the Quran is one of the most intriguing and soothing bibles of them all, only because the book is supposed to have fell from the heavens and god actually made the book himself, they also have a lot more respect for the Quran than any Christians do for theirs, but then again, god never created the Christian bible now did he, mankind did.

I think that atheists go to the hell at least u finally admiting that we both can't prove what we say... but I have at least a font... the bible... u... u have just some thoughts

But isn't that unfair on someone that doesn't want a higher power to rule there life? Would you say god is unfair because you choose not to have him as a god or you are godless all together? I would say so.

There was no need to admit nothing as I explained all this ages ago, this is why I said you must be skip reading or dyslexic.

If you think its just "some" thoughts, then you are mistaken once again, if you could look inside my head, you would have a heart attack.

I simply don't have time to waste with ya!! That's why I type quick!! I'm in 2 foruns at the same time, downlaodin and searching songs, hearing songs... u are just distracting me!! I'm not confused! but I admit, I'm liking it and you don't know about me to say that I know or don't know history! Since new, I was always the first in or the second on the classmath and even today my biggest results are from history so don't say shit! (now you will say tha only good results ins tests don't make me a intellligent person in history )

You don't have time to waste on your god? Show how compassionate he is or was I should say before he went into hiding. :P

First and for most, you think your greater and smarter because you know so much about history because you go to college/university then you are a fool, every Chritian has time to spare for their god, and you saying I'm distracting you is another excuse, but that could take me and you back to when I said your thinking to hard/not enough, like I state in an early post.
Like I said, take your time as there is no rush, someone like me is bound to ask questions, so always be ready.

If your so big in history, then tell me who said this and what it means...
and I quote...
"Knowledge brakes the chains of illusions"

To let you know, I have no schooling education what so ever, what i have just quoted explains all.

U a JOKE!!

As for this, it takes one to know one.
You can't even handle me, so what happens if your in a major verbal debate that you have to think fast about? anyway, never mind that.

I ain't dominated by religion, if you say it it's meaning that u dominated by science, cuz I opined and you opined too, if u didn't have quoted me I won't have started nothin!! U QUOTED ME, REMEMBER!!!

Yes, how could I forget, but who turned it into a bigger discussion when the answer for the first question I asked, slapped him in the face, shit, even c-game said it.

I actually disagree with how science is used to explain religions and such, but what can you do, people want answers.

and I'm busy too, I need to study from tests tomorrow, if you want to continue it I recomend you to add me in MSN.. just search it... or, more easy to you, my MSN is
wallacerandolph_eminem_addicted@hotmail.com
I'm waiting for you...

Pointless, I will only "distract" you more, sides am out the area as of tomorrow, so it would be a pointless discussion, some other time in the near future I will.

[chad08]

im still young here so ya im not going to worry about this stuff till im 40 to 50 hhahah but i think mine is more right

[Wallace]

First and for most, you think your greater and smarter because you know so much about history because you go to college/university then you are a fool, every Chritian has time to spare for their god, and you saying I'm distracting you is another excuse, but that could take me and you back to when I said your thinking to hard/not enough, like I state in an early post.
Like I said, take your time as there is no rush, someone like me is bound to ask questions, so always be ready.

This is the only thing I wil quote... I ain't tryin to say that I'm smarter.. I'm just meaning that if you have a big knowledge in history I would have too, at least if you don't use other ways to know about history that not books (not only school books) and some thought by yourself, adding by some information gotten with parents and internet.

[shady4life!]

Forget about it now, worry when your there.

yeah man y focus so much on death when u got a life to live? Just forget about it, it wont affect you now