9/11 Conspiracies

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

I'm not talking about the world, I'm talking about me. Though personally, I couldn't give a fuck about America's reputation.

[RapName]

I'm not talking about the world, I'm talking about me. Though personally, I couldn't give a fuck about America's reputation.

Okay then. I would care a lot if the truth is that the american government was behind it.

[Kez]

If nothing suspicious happened with regard to that plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon, then how come the FBI were so quick to urgently remove a CCTV tape from a nearby petrol station that would have shown complete proof and cleared up any ambiguity and doubt had they just released it, instead of hiding it away and having it never be seen? And how come when they were forced to release another confiscated video as the result of a lawsuit, you can't see any plane? And how come the only footage that's been actually officially released conveniently only covers a slow frame-rate and only allows us to see a quick blur passing the camera and then an explosion? Pentagon can't afford better CCTV than to record slow frames? I say bullshit. You really want to try and suggest that the motherfucking Pentagon, the home of US military operations, has only two security cameras? You know how stupid that sounds.

I don't even claim to believe either side, but stuff like this doesn't add up.

[Steve Spag]

If nothing suspicious happened with regard to that plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon, then how come the FBI were so quick to urgently remove a CCTV tape from a nearby petrol station that would have shown complete proof and cleared up any ambiguity and doubt had they just released it, instead of hiding it away and having it never be seen? And how come when they were forced to release another confiscated video as the result of a lawsuit, you can't see any plane? And how come the only footage that's been actually officially released conveniently only covers a slow frame-rate and only allows us to see a quick blur passing the camera and then an explosion? Pentagon can't afford better CCTV than to record slow frames? I say bullshit. You really want to try and suggest that the motherfucking Pentagon, the home of US military operations, has only two security cameras? You know how stupid that sounds.

I don't even claim to believe either side, but stuff like this doesn't add up.

WELLL said Kez!

[MikeNUFC]

A lot of this stuff doesnt add up. I was watching September Clues which shows how all the media footage was edited. Weird as hell

Well thanks for sharing those videos Kez, my evening is now ruined as I will do nothing but watch related videos.

[EminemBase]

I'm not talking about the world, I'm talking about me. Though personally, I couldn't give a fuck about America's reputation.

It's a bit worse than America's reputation though.

We're talking a democratic government killing thousands of their own citizens to justify an illegal invasion, assassinate a political rival (but also... One of the most evil men in history) and take control of central oil to sustain further power and domination.

Seriously, how do people think America became and have stayed the swinging dick of the World. You don't do it by being Mr. Good Guy round every turn. You do it with things like this. Bullying smaller countries, stealing what you need, forcing cheap labour, dumping toxins etc. etc.

9/11 was 100% an inside job. I'd bet my life on it at this point.

[DrunkenDeath]

There's about ten thousand conspiracies. who cares.

[DrRapid]

I hate these sort of conspiracies, they're just a bunch of crap. People like to think that there's something else to something that has happened.

[MikeNUFC]

I hate these sort of conspiracies, they're just a bunch of crap. People like to think that there's something else to something that has happened.

There are too many weird circumstances to ignore it though.

[DrRapid]

I hate these sort of conspiracies, they're just a bunch of crap. People like to think that there's something else to something that has happened.

There are too many weird circumstances to ignore it though.

That is very true but sometimes you have to back up your conspiracy with history and background information to make some sense out of it.

[DrunkenDeath]

I hate these sort of conspiracies, they're just a bunch of crap. People like to think that there's something else to something that has happened.

yeah, only about half or a quarter of them are real anyway.

[EminemBase]

I hate these sort of conspiracies, they're just a bunch of crap. People like to think that there's something else to something that has happened.

There are too many weird circumstances to ignore it though.

That is very true but sometimes you have to back up your conspiracy with history and background information to make some sense out of it.

Total ignorance from you there. You're lumping in all theories which deviate from the 'official' theory together and dismissing them without individual research.

Irrespective of how many absurd conspiracy theories there have been, that doesn't automatically invalidate or discredit any new theory which isn't the dominant theory.

If you think there is no evidence to back up the 'conspiracy' that all three towers on 9/11 were demolished by controlled demolition then you haven't looked into it or understood any of the information at all. The evidence supporting this theory is overwhelming and undeniable.

It's not circumstantial babble, guesswork, speculation or unsuported stories. We're talking chemical evidence, physics. Basic Science which cannot be ignored or argued with.

I'll just shed a little piece, the fact all three buildings fell at free-fall acceleration. Now, that is IMPOSSIBLE unless those were controlled collapses. This only ever happens in a controlled demolition because the floors are being blown out AS the building is coming down. This is why it comes down at near or actual free-fall acceleration and hits no resistance.

This cannot happen in a normal collapse, especially with such random, a-symmterical damage. The Towers were damaged on one side only and yet they AND WTC 7 (which wasn't hit by a plane) ALL came down in perfect symmetry, at free-fall speed.

Normal fire collapses are slow and gradual. You see huge defamation of steel, slow twisting and weakening, then perhaps the building will topple some what. But to come down smoothly, cleanly, in perfect symmetry, at free fall acceleartion, tearing itself apart, violently, ejecting building material out horizontally at upto 70mph... That is NOT a gravitational collapse.

Those conditions / features are identical to a controlled demolition. Lets also not forget that no high riser in living history has collapsed from fire damage alone. And there have been far worse. Some buildings burning top to bottom in blazing heat for days on end and still left standing.

What's also very obvious about the demolitions is that the buildings are left in a pile of dust. If the floors collapsed on top of each other as the 9/11 commission claim, you would still have the outer steel frame standing, in tact. How do you think thousands of tons of concrete and steel was reduced to dust finer than a human hair? That is the work of explosives not fucking chance.

We also have evidence of explosives in the dust / debri of all three structures. Nano-thermite. A very sophisticated explosive used primarily by the military. Very advanced, super hot, super reactive explosive. Some particles even unignited - Again, very common in demolitions, they also over-stock the beams with more than enough explosive to get the job done. So it's perfectly normal to have unignited particles after the event.

Thermite is designed to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter. Then we have the after result of EXTREME heat / explosives. TONS of molten iron at the bottom, after the collapses. Fire doesn't even come close to getting this hot. You can even check the videos and official pictures from that timeframe and see pools of molten iron. Beaming, red hot steel. This is the direct result of thermite reaction. It's a by-product. This once again, CANNOT be created by normal heat, it's just chemistry. Basic Science.

Absolutely impossible. So that is not crap. Not guesswork. As you can see, the official story is the one of guesswork. You people just accept what they accept without questioning it. What evidence have you actually phisically seen or heard of that it was Al-Queda? There is NONE. Not one fucking scrap. The UN never got any.

The only people who profited from 9/11 are America. It's by no means far-fetched to think a handful of the top corupt of the shadow Government and CIA would create a national disaster to justify an illegal war, take out a political rival (but also, very very evil man) and take control of a huge oil supply. Creating sustained wealth and power for America for many years to come. Whilst still looking like the good guys at the end of it.

Coming to a conclusion without proper investigation is the highest order of ignorance. The evidence I've talked about here is a crum of the table. That's just the start of it. Once you look into it, if you appreciate REAL evidence, Science and not overblown theories and scaremongering, there is no other conclusion. I would bet my life that all three buildings were demolished right now.

How do you seriously think America have stayed the swinging dick of Planet Earth. They haven't done it by being Mr. Nice guy as everybody would like to believe in this bizarre picturesque view of the World. They've done it by crushing competitors, emphasizing #1. ruthless overpowerment of smaller countries, stealing resources, tactical political demolishment, dumping oil. You name it. Every trick in the book, they've done it and invented 10 more.

By the way, a conspiracy theory is just a theory about someone conspiring to do something. People say they don't believe conspiracies but believe it was Al-Queda. The THEORY of Al-Queda taking down three buildings IS a conspiracy theory. There is no evidence for it. It's all circumstantial, assumptive. I'm not saying they weren't involved, but they were not the reason three buildings sped to the ground, ripping themselves apart at supsersonic speed.

You have two theories at the forefront. The official theory has no substantial evidence, contradicts itself, goes against BASIC Science. I mean... Just the laws of physics. If you believe the official account of how the buildings collapsed you are disagreeing with the most basic of Newton's laws. Which we know are true.

I suggest you look into it a little more before saying such inane, dismissive things. We nearly have a new independent investigation here now anyway. Then you'll all see and eat your words. I guarantee you.

[DrRapid]

^ Must of really hit a nerve there. Well EminemBase, I do not have enough information, I have not fully researched nor do I know enough of this terrible event to support my claim on why it would be Al-Qaeda. I have never disagreed with the reasons to why the US would do such a thing, their attack on Iraq was uncalled for, in fact, they were never able to prove that Saddam Hussein was developing weapons of mass destruction or that he was even co-operating with Al-Qaeda, or so I am aware. It was a greedy and imperialist act by Bush's administration part. Their attack on Afghanistan in removing the talibans out of the unstable country seemed fair enough but once again it was an act done after 9/11. That distaster could of been an excuse once again for the US to invade Afghanistan for its advantages, such as some certain resources.

The reason I would believe Al-Qaeda for doing this is because they want to establish true Islamic states, Israel being one of them. Israel is backed up SO MUCH by the US that they are almost untouchable. Plus, they then go on to occupy other parts around Israel leaving Muslims and especially Palestinians to live in camps. I don't know all the details to this but to be honest I think Muslims have the right to be pissed off when they were the ones who were kicked out of Israel back in the late 1940s. I won't go further into that matter. The Gulf War further angered them with the presence of foreign Western forces so close to their holy cities and oil fields. With other events taking place there's been growing hate towards the US. Bin Laden has claimed full responsibility for the 9/11 attacks, that he really has done them. I haven't looked into the evidence that proves it really was Al Qaeda.

Seismographs around Manhattan did not record any signs of any explosions before the towers eventually collapsed. It was clear though that airplanes did crash into the building. One of the planes crashed near the top of one of the towers. The damage got close to the core of the building, the top of the building did not withstand that damage so it collapsed on to the rest, all the weight was not withstood. In the second tower the plane crashed further down and did not go in as deep but there was much more weight above the damage than in the other tower causing the collapse. The steel was weakened where the planes crashed due to the extremely high temperatures.

Clean-up crews did not find any signs of controlled demolitions that would have existed if explosive charges had been used. There always tend to be identifiable remnants of them. Obviously if you want to go that far you could say that the clean-up crew was part of all of this too. Placing the demolitions in the building would have not gone unnoticed in advance with all the work needed to insert them. Most of the noise produced during the attack was when the airplanes crashed and when the building collapsed, where was the noise from the demolition charges? No noise was heard.

I'm getting tired of this, I don't strongly believe that it was Al-Qaeda but I find hard to believe that it was an inside job. I doubt the government would of allowed the death of almost 3000 innocent lives.

[dR3]

It might sound weird, but I enjoyed reading the two posts above mine.

[EminemBase]

@DrRapid

- Yes but you're failing to recognize fact from subjection. You're doing the very thing you assume conspiracy theorists do.

Irrespective of whether you think it was Al-Queda or not, basic Science determines those buildings collapsed not because of the aeroplane impacts.

Once you research the facts about the structural collapses, there is no other conclusion than controlled demolition. It's not just overwhelming, it's damning and undeniable. There can be no other theory which fits the bill with the evidence we have.

So once you accept the buildings were demolished, then comes the questions - Who did it and why? To believe Al-Queda could sneak tons of nano-thermite into three of the most secure buildings in New York, fit them on the core structural beams and pull off three perfect demolitions is ABSURD.

To believe Al-Queda would even have nano-thermite is absurd. Controlled demolitions are very particular, precious incidents. If you fuck up any key element, the building will topple and damage the surrounding structures. That's why controlled demolitions are done the way they are. By a team of professionals. That's why the buildings come straight down, in perfect symmetry.

To believe that happened by chance... Three times in a row? Close to insanity. To believe the laws of physics were broken three times in a row by chance... Definite insanity. That is what you are doing if you believe they collapsed naturally due to fire damage. It's IMPOSSIBLE. They fell at free-fall acceleration. They actually sped up as they tore themselves apart.

Again, a key feature of a demolition, the rapid onset of explosions pulverizes concrete and steel into dust. And that's exactly what happened.

If they were normal gravitational collapses then the floors would hit onto each other. This alone makes it damn absolute impossible for the buildings to come down at free-fall speed. Because it's resistance. Those buildings and every modern high riser are purposely designed that way so that if a gravitational onset does occur, it will be met with immediate resistance.

Free-fall speed = If you dropped a penny from the top of WTC 7 it would hit the ground in the same amount of time as did the building. Can you not see how blindingly obvious that is. That cannot happen in a normal collapse. No debate, no questions, it just can't. ANY resistance will slow the speed and thus it fails to be free-fall.

WTC 7 collapsed in 7 seconds. Top to bottom. The only way that is possible is if the core beams and floors were being blown outwards as the onset began, that's exactly what they do in a demolition. And do we have evidence of this too? Absolutely. I won't go into all that too as I'll be here all day, but the Scientific and chemical evidence to support controlled demolition is unquestionable.

The only sensible questions to be asked or debated are, as aforementioned...
- Who did it?
- Why?

So then you have to ask yourself, isit more likely that the CIA, portion of corrupt Government... Whoever - Who have complete and unchallenged access to these buildings fitted the buildings with nano-thermite... Again, a readily available (to the military) but highly complex reactive explosive...

OR

Isit more likely that a handful of badly organized middle-eastern terrorists Solid Snake'd their way past every inch of high-wire, tight, Government-headed security with tons upon tons of nano-thermite (in their pockets or.. ?) and successfully fitted them on every core beam of all three towers. Without being detected, once. Then proceeded to pull of a highly efficient demolition job to a bemused nation.

If anybody even considers going with the second option, I think you need your head examined. Because despite what the arrogant, low-brow dumb fucks (Bill O'Reilly and Co.) at FOX News would have you believe - THAT is the fairytale theory. THAT is the unsubstantiated, far-fetched, inane, nonsensical theory. The kind of which genuinely is thought up by Internet loonies.

They've got the whole thing ass-backwards. Not on accident of course. The vast majority of major media in America is owned or at least influenced (in some cases... Very heavily) by either the Government or CIA themselves or people who have very good reasons (Ruport Murdoch COUGH!) to be pro-establishment at all times. They have the power. That's why every time anybody, Charlie Sheen most recently, comes out and even questions it... They hound on them and perform a systematic character attack to try and discredit the person, without ever addressing the facts or opinions.

In actuality though, the majority of Americans now believe the Bush Administration at least had foreknowledge. Despite, again, all major media outlets stonewalling any objections and acting like they're still winning. It's playground tactics now. They use such pathetic, obvious little techniques such as... Mentioning a genuinely stupid, disproved conspiracy theory IN the 9/11 article. Implying any theory which deviates from the official account is madness and should be laughed at. Attempting to lump ANY theory which is not supported by the Government in together and label it: WRONG.

This then makes the average Joe apprehensive about ever questioning anything 'official' which is code for whatever they choose to show you and would prefer for you to believe. Whether for political, financial or sensitivity issues... Or all and more.

They psychologically bully the public into what they want you to think is true by distastefully trampling on anybody who thinks otherwise and refusing to even investigate. You can bet your bottom dollar there are far more who know about the truth of 9/11 than you would assume, they just feel embarrassed about revealing their actual viewpoint because of this wall of stink that's been built out of ignorance, greed and evil doings which they simply cannot afford to be known. Not even glimpsed at. Not even considered. Just BLOCK, NO NO NO, DENY DENY DENY, WRONG WRONG, and round and round we go.

All three buildings were 100% brought down by controlled demolition. I am as confident in that statement as I am the World is round and that Evolution is the origin of species. What I can't say is 100% is that the Government were behind it. But based on... All the ginormous factors which I've expanded on, the opposing idea of Al-Queda doing this is as likely as it is that those presents under your tree were put their by Saint Nick himself.