Should Gay Couples Be Able To Adopt?

[MuNxMuN]

you guys are changing the subject someone should make a topic "are your born gay or do you choose to be"

and you took what i said about the drug addict out of context, yeh the drug addicts fucked up badly, her resulting in being fucked up badly will have her kid fucked up badly, the gay couple may not be fucked up badly on drugs, but there kid will be fucked up badly, my point is that a drug addict envoiroment is wrong for a kid to be brought up in never mind for a kid to be adopted into. a homosexual realionship is a wrong envoiroment to be adopted into.

How is a homosexual relationship a wrong environment to be brought up in? the point of adoption centers is to give homeless kids a FAMILY THAT CARES. Homosexual couples are just as capable as straight couples giving kids that.

its people wanting dam attention

gay people don't become gay for attention. There are gay celebrities (lance bass, elton john) and you do not see them on on tv everyday or people always talking about them all the time just because of their sexual preference. Also I know this girl in my english class who is a lesbian and she is one of the quietest people in there. No one knew she was a lesbian until me and a few people started debating about this topic. So how are all gay people attention seekers?

[Hadez]

^^ im 100% positive that ur lesbian friend is getting attention from somebody if its not from ur class mates.

[Hadez]

^^ ok thats great, gay rights. so far i haven't seen anybody post here that has issues with the rights themselves. the issue at hand is the kid. and obviously this is something nobody is gonna agree on like the "N" word thing.

[Hadez]

^^ ok thats great, gay rights. so far i haven't seen anybody post here that has issues with the rights themselves. the issue at hand is the kid. and obviously this is something nobody is gonna agree on like the "N" word thing.

yeah, but it's still fun debating about it

touche

[AspirinE]

Wtf are "gay rights"? ... there is no such thing, never should be, theres civilian rights. And no matter how democratic u are, some rights are meant to be questioned.

Being gay is a simple decision u make not to have kids, like some women tie knots on their ovaries tubes. If you decide that u want to not be able to have kids an choose a one sex relationship, fuck it, its up to you, but having a kid being let to be adopted by them is beyond stupidity.

Gay people extort this "rights" thing on the regular, now this burgeousy trend demands rights.

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

you dont pick to have fucked up uterus or be shooting blanks, you pick to be gay

one could sooo argue that point, but like winnie said, let's keep this on topic.

and you took what i said about the drug addict out of context, yeh the drug addicts fucked up badly, her resulting in being fucked up badly will have her kid fucked up badly, the gay couple may not be fucked up badly on drugs, but there kid will be fucked up badly, my point is that a drug addict envoiroment is wrong for a kid to be brought up in never mind for a kid to be adopted into. a homosexual realionship is a wrong envoiroment to be adopted into.

you are completely wrong! there is proof of people raised in gay families, and they are not fucked up badly. as a matter of fact, they come out quite "normal" and happy. it's the same way as a kid being born into a dope family... some turn out bad, some make it alright. it's all chance and a matter of the person's choices.

and change ? ive never read a bigger load of bullshit in my life lets all change lets all be gay..oh shit look population is dropping people cant have kids oh shit were extinct, or no wait, since we are all gay and smart, birth can be a weekly thing every male goes and donates there sperm witch gets put into a lesbian women who gives the kid to a gay couple who then donate sperm to the lesbians to have kids....is that change ? a better question, is that natural ?

i never said anything about the whole world being gay, just a matter of ACCEPTING that there are people out there that are gay. same thing with black people and women... there are different races integrated in schools now and there are women in the work force, doing things side by side with men. although there are a few ignorant people out there, it's pretty much been accepted. that doesn't mean EVERYONE in doing that... there are still women that just stay at home and do the homemaker thing, and there are schools known as "all black" colleges, and that's fine.

and love ? pshhh, bullshit,male are arttacted to females in every speices on this earth near enough, Male on Male or Female on Female is not a natural thing, it isnt "love" its people wanting dam attention..i got an example, anyone watch big brother tonight (UK tv) to gay guys went into the house and near enough the first thing one gay asked the other, are you straight or gay ? guy says gay..other guy says oh me to..people chose to be gay for attention or some dark issues they have they arent actually gay they just choose to be gay.

it's not natural for you because you are not like that! just like it's not natural for me to sing, but for other people, they were born singing. that's how they grew up, that's what they know. gay is natural to some people. but once again, that's a whole nother topic, and i don't wanna get into that

my final thing to say is


gay people in general, become gay then fight for gay rights, they get these rights to get married and they have the right to get kids. they chose to be something that shouldn't or couldnt have these things previously..so tell me this, would a male go into a females changing room and asked to be treated like a girl ?

coz thats what they do, the become gay and ask to be treated straight.

nooo, they become gay, and ask to be treated equal. i know you're not from the US, but here we got things called FREEDOM and EQUALITY, so if a dude wants to make out with a dude, as long as he isn't violating any laws, then why shouldn't he get the same treatment?

so think of this... women in general, start to work and ask for the womens rights, they get these rights to vote and they get rights to equal pay as men. they chose to work as opposed to doing the "normal" thing and staying home. they chose to do things that were never done previously... so tell me this, would a female go into a man's workplace and ask to be treated the same way a man is?

or how about this situation... black people in general, start the civil rights movement and demand equality among white people. they get these rights, and they get to go into the same restaurants, schools, bathrooms, etc. as whites. they choose to do these things that has never been done before... so tell me this, would a black man go into a white school and asked to be treated the same exact way as a white man?

cuz guess what buddy, the answers to those are hell fucking yes, because years after the womens rights and civil rights movements, women are being treated the same way as men, and black men are being treated the same way as white men. so what is the big difference about gays being treated the same way as straight men? it's the same situation. people are just scared, the same exact way people were scared of women and black people receiving their rights.

... and gay people get attention because the fucking world gives it to them! lance bass hid in the closet for a long time, michael jackson still denies he's gay (and it's so obvious he is :roll ), and half the time, i almost forget ellen degeneres is a lesbian. they don't prance around with their partners showing PDA, and even if they did, who the fuck cares, i've seen straight couples all the time showing PDA and no one complains about them.

see you goin on the basis people are born gay and cant help it, witch is something you can only take a gays word for, i myself beileive they chose to be gay, and when i came in the section i seen a debate has been set up about that so ill put my point in there. anywae, you cant compare gays having rights to black or women having rights.

Women wanting to work was a long time ago, and during the war in UK women proved to men that they could do the work, but its completely different when they work it makes there lifes better they get money, maybe they dont get payed as much but thatd irrelevent to this deabte, infact the whole i want to work, i want to take a baby into my fucked up lifestyle and raise him, is completely different.

and blacks, how the fuck can you compare blacks fighting for rights to gays fighting for rights ? do black people wake up one day when there 13 like "oh snap, i think im goin to turn black today?" no they dont, so again a completey stupid comparison

and you sayed all these examples of fine people brought up by gays, thats fine coz alot of it would depend on your personalilty and shit, but alot of people wouldnt turn out fine, and id think more would be not fine than fine, but i dont have no official report or survey to even debate that point.

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

Wtf are "gay rights"? ... there is no such thing, never should be, theres civilian rights. And no matter how democratic u are, some rights are meant to be questioned.

Being gay is a simple decision u make not to have kids, like some women tie knots on their ovaries tubes. If you decide that u want to not be able to have kids an choose a one sex relationship, fuck it, its up to you, but having a kid being let to be adopted by them is beyond stupidity.

Gay people extort this "rights" thing on the regular, now this burgeousy trend demands rights.

wtf were womens rights a century ago? there was no such thing, and look at it now. there's equaity among all men and women now.

and if you believe it's so stupid to let a kid be adopted into a gay family, WHY? is it because they'll live a fucked up life, because like i said, there's lots of people out there that'll tell ya they has perfectl normal childhoods with their same sex parents.

Women wanting to work was a long time ago, and during the war in UK women proved to men that they could do the work, but its completely different when they work it makes there lifes better they get money, maybe they dont get payed as much but thatd irrelevent to this deabte, infact the whole i want to work, i want to take a baby into my fucked up lifestyle and raise him, is completely different.

so why do gay people want children? just to have them? no, they also want to make thier lives better, and like i said in another thread, children provide clairity and a pupose in parents' lives. and gay people have proven they can raise children without turning them into fucked up kids, they proved they could do the work too, just like women did to men during the war.

so your saying a child life is to get possibly messed up just so people who CHOSE to be in a homosexual reliasonship feel better aboutt here life ? please, thats just a selfish thing to do

[Golden]

Truemfan; Your really good at expressing ur opinons and discuss. And I totally agree with u on everything u said. You seem like very smart girl!

[AspirinE]

wtf were womens rights a century ago? there was no such thing, and look at it now. there's equaity among all men and women now.

Being a woman is a natural thing, its something u cannot change. Homosexuality isnt.

and if you believe it's so stupid to let a kid be adopted into a gay family, WHY? is it because they'll live a fucked up life, because like i said, there's lots of people out there that'll tell ya they has perfectl normal childhoods with their same sex parents.

For one, children should not be given to adoption, i don not believe in adoption if its from people who abandon their children, any reason to discourage opportunity in adoption is a good reason. Gay people will effect the sexual development of children in ages of puberty by not providing the basic instinctive teaching of parenthood.

so why do gay people want children? just to have them? no, they also want to make thier lives better, and like i said in another thread, children provide clairity and a pupose in parents' lives. and gay people have proven they can raise children without turning them into fucked up kids, they proved they could do the work too, just like women did to men during the war.

Gay people simply don't have the ability to have kids, because of their choice in sexuality. What happens when theres to many gay people around? Are you gonna be giving away your kids to homosexuals because they "cant"(refuse to have one) have them? Its a significant perspective... if there arent any babies to adopt there is gonna be a decrease in the number of gay people?

You replace their real instinct to have children with a choice to adopt.. thats a simple mindfuck that can affect societies moral state in whole.

[AspirinE]

i disagree, but i'm not gonna argue about that... at least not here, anyway.

Disagree all you want, theres not proof of it being natural what so ever and scientists that would imply thats a sex confusing mental disorder would get attacked by ultra-liberals.

if you don't believe in adoption at all, then that's a comepletely different topic. BUT, whether you agree with adoption or not, there are plenty of kids in the world who need a home, and whether you're against people giving up their children, it's too late, there's already thousands of parent-less kids out there. i'm not saying you're wrong about your belief in adoption, it's just reality. there are foster kids all over the world. now if every child in the world had a home, then yeah, i don't see why gay families should be able to get a kid of their own.

Because the more options u give adoption the easier it becomes the easier mothers start to give away there kids thinking they that it will be "OK". Not to mention that if gay people are indeed mentally ill then they should under no circumstances have the chance to adopt, after all i wouldnt let a child get adopted by a pedophile or a straight up pervert.

i don't think that's necessarily true, like i said, there are ots of kids who grow up in gay families and they turn out alright. having gay parents doens't mean you're going to be gay.

Im not saying its accurate, but there is a point in every human beings life were hormones need to be interprited, at that time gay person can influence a child to be gay.

you can be straight and normal, just like everyone else. think of a daughter who grows up without a mother. she's not going to have that instinctive female figure to guide her through life. talking to her father about boys, or menstruation, or how flat-chested she feels as a teenager, isn't going to be the same as it would be with her mother. people adapt to their surroundings. they turn out fine.

A mother is ur genetical relative she knows more about parenting than 2 fags that cant get a child coz they sticking they dicks in the wrong hole. Mentally ill perverts, homosexuals, are by no means even considerable as parents.

gay people aren't trying to steal babies from their parents... if a child is already without a home, and NEEDS one, then i don't see why a gay family who is capable of providing a home can't have that child.

Give him to straight parents. Gay "families" are mentally unstable people, they should not be allowed to adopt by law just like 40 year old dudes with down's syndrome.

and to answer your question, if there aren't babies to adopt, who knows how that will affect the population of gay people. but the truth is, there are lots and lots of babies to adopt, and quite frankly, need/should be adopted into a nice, loving family.

the truth is the more options babies in society have and the more easy it is to give em away. the moment that homosexuals adopting will become more exceptable, more mothers will give away their kids since they know there are more options.

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

childrens' lives can get fucked up any way and any time, whether in a gay family or not. it's so ironic youre saying they're bring selfish when there are kids all over the world starving, with no love or care from any family, no educatioin, and no future from them. and you're denying them a possibility to have a home and loving parents simply because the parents will the same sex! i'm sorry, but i fail to see the logic in that

yeh they can get fucked up but not defiantly get fucked up, a gay coupld adopting them is giving then 90% chance of somehting fucking up

ok, uhm what do you know about childrens home's ? well i dunno maybe there called foster/career homes in the states, but they aint slave houses my freinds was in one for 4 years and i stayed overnight before, its just like a big house, plenty to eat, good freinds, the staff/carers were generelly nice. so please your forgetting what this debate is about, its gay couples adopting children, not findind them homeless on the streets and taking them home with them.

[4D]

im VERY disapointed in 1 of you

I`m liking your post man, all these long-ass fuckinn posts are boring me to tears.

[Kez]

No, I don't think so. Think of the kid. I know I wouldn't want two homos for fathers, I know that.

[vermin]

No. The family is a good an important thing, one of the most important things at a normal life. But faggots are not normal (in my view they are sick/handicapped), they should keep out of this. Do we really want our children to grow up and see that 2 grown man fuck each others ass? A couple=a man&a woman! I don't give a fuck about tolerant shit, and "they are born like this, it's not their fault" type of speech. If you are a gay, it's ok until I don't know about it! Keep that shit to yourself, do your sick things, but don't try make people think you are normal, cuz you aren't! And that's why they can't have children. A child needs a mother and a father. Not 2 fuckin homo father/mother. If you born to be blind you can't see, if you born to be perverse you can't have children.
(But as I know these liberal dickheads it will be changed soon, faggots can be happy!)

[AspirinE]

actua

lly. there is study that gay people are gay because of they're chromosomes, and the sex chromosome wasn't developed properly, and stuff like that... don't ask me for a link, because i saw it on tv, and it was just something i heard of.

umhh huh.. but who are these scientists? i know im biased in my view, but theres such thing as biased "scientists" too, like creation scientists for example, they talk the dumbest shit possible and then claim it to be fact. ..

besides, you're not gay, you obviously wouldn't be able to understand the natural-ness of it. it's like with serial killers. they're fucked up in the head, ask them why they kill people, and they look at you like you're crazy. that's just how they are.

I dont believe serial killers are born that way either, i believe they are just frustrated and perverted individuals an outcome of a society suppressed by flase freedom.

unless sleeping with the same sex indicates mental illness, then there's nothing wrong. gay people aren't gauranteed to harm a child, just like a straight person isn't gauranteed to raise a perfect child.

Umm sleeping with the same sex is a mental illness, matter of fact wat gay people have is not sex its an imitation of sex. If they can get having sex wrong and they cant love women, how can u trust them with a child, how would u know if they are capable of seeing fatherhood the way its supposed to be.

and you're thinking about it too morally, the society already has tons of ways of women giving up their children, whether gay people are gonna be able to adopt or not. in the US, women can easily drop of thier child at a fire department, police station, or hospital, no questions asked. you think if gay people have the right to adopt, it'll make a big difference to unfit mothers whether they will give away their children?

Everything makes a difference, one less option for adoption makes abandoning ur child seem more like murder. matter of fact adopting ur child and giving it to homosexuals in the first place is horrible on the child, depriving them of motherly love (no a pancy pink shirt wearing fag will never replace a mother) and fatherly, wen fags are most always acting up to be more feminine. This is the downside of liberalism, complete selfishness and immorality.

just like a single mother can influence her daughter to never get close to men, beause the one she got involved with fucked her over...

And? a mother is still a feminine character and she explicitly shows emotion towards a man by resenting him.

there are lots of ways a child can be influenced, gay people are just one of those things.

one less influence

exactly, but lots of people don't have mothers, and they turn out fine.

Yes, but a fag didnt replace that mother.

then why are there people who were raised by gay people turn out "normal?"

how do u know if they are normal? how do u know that having to gay parents doesnt create a stress life for you?

again, if they're so unstable, then why are there people who were raised by gay people turn out "normal?"

how do u know if they are normal? how do u know that having to gay parents doesnt create a stress life for you?

there are already plenty of ways women can give their children to adoption, even without gay people. remember this

The less options the better.

some women throw their kids in the trash, and you're worried about adoption to gay people affecting women's decisions about giving away their child?

Well stupid woman, im worried for both the children. Women throw their babies away usually coz they are underage or hide it from their parents it has nothing to do with how many adoption options there are.

there are plenty of children to adopt, just look in those third-world countries. if a child doesn't want to be adopted at all and is happy in a foster home, them hey, great for them, but like i said, there are lots of kids in the world that need a home, and simply denying gay people from providing them that seems illogical to me.

The reason "third world" countries have too much children to adopt is coz the capitalist system fucks them over with vuture funds and underprices their labour, and thats not a reason to go back and say "aww lets adopt some of them" when there are millions of them that need help, thats like taking away huge piece of meat from a dog then giving it a few crumbs to munch on to show how "giving" u are.

And denying gay people adoption is the best thing to do. if a country is fucked up and needs a few generations to learn parenting morals so their kids grow up to be willing parents then you need to let kids be adopted by straight parents.