Laughing with religion.

[Curious]

Well if ur goverment had a law to prohibit it it wouldnt have happened.

as I already said these drawings may be disrespectful but they're not racist, n therefore u cannot prevent a newspaper from publishing them - and there's no law against being stupid which is basically what the decision to publish these drawings was

freedom of speech and freedom of the press are basic values in the Danish democracy just as in many other western countries, and personally i cherish these values n wouldn't like to live in a country where the government controlled the media - but as I already said freedom of speech also comes with the obligation to show responsibility and respect other ppl's values which the newspaper has failed to do in this case, but that doesn't make it okay to threaten the entire Danish nation

plenty of ppl would argue that if muslims had a sense of self-irony this wouldn't have happened and i know a lot of Danish muslims who are completely cool about it and didn't take it as a personal insult, so opinions vary

[misa]

ialready said iam not blaming the Danish population and iam not calling them racist n disrespectful cause then i will be discriminating them ( just likethe newspaper did to us ) , i was talkin abt the newspaper cause that will be doing the same thing that they did

n write them letters !!! yea iam sure that will show them how angry iam , we cant just not do nothin !!! n it wasnt just onenews paper anther newspapers did publish it againe n supportin it , u r saying u r aginst the threads n all { iam too } but the boycott is the perfect peaceful way to protest

I know u said you're not blaming the Danish population, but that's exactly what you're doing when you boycot Danish products n expect the Danish government to apologise for something they have nothing to do with and cannot get involved in according to Danish law - you're not hurting the newspaper, they've got plenty of stuff to write about now n unfortunately support for them is bound to grow here in DK now because of all the violent attacks , but a lot of other ppl who are completely innocent in this conflict are losing their jobs n getting hurt in muslim countries at the moment. This is no more fair than if I had stopped buying groceries etc. from muslims or attacked them because of muslim terrorist attacks they had absolutely no part in.

Well if ur goverment had a law to prohibit it it wouldnt have happened.

that is wut iam tryin to say maybe when we boycott the products they will lose money n it will hurt their economy so the next time they will think twice about their laws and about doing nothin to those who post rasict drawings or w/e and actualty do sth abiout that law , n even if they didn't at least they know that we r not just gonna sit back n keep por angriness to ourselves

n to me the drawings were racist

[misa]

ialready said iam not blaming the Danish population and iam not calling them racist n disrespectful cause then i will be discriminating them ( just likethe newspaper did to us ) , i was talkin abt the newspaper cause that will be doing the same thing that they did

n write them letters !!! yea iam sure that will show them how angry iam , we cant just not do nothin !!! n it wasnt just onenews paper anther newspapers did publish it againe n supportin it , u r saying u r aginst the threads n all { iam too } but the boycott is the perfect peaceful way to protest

I know u said you're not blaming the Danish population, but that's exactly what you're doing when you boycot Danish products n expect the Danish government to apologise for something they have nothing to do with and cannot get involved in according to Danish law - you're not hurting the newspaper, they've got plenty of stuff to write about now n unfortunately support for them is bound to grow here in DK now because of all the violent attacks , but a lot of other ppl who are completely innocent in this conflict are losing their jobs n getting hurt in muslim countries at the moment. This is no more fair than if I had stopped buying groceries etc. from muslims or attacked them because of muslim terrorist attacks they had absolutely no part in.

but u cant compare the muslim terrorists to this cause our goverment cant do anythin to stop ity n if they could they would while ur goverment can change the law or do anythin about it

[Curious]

but u cant compare the muslim terrorists to this cause our goverment cant do anythin to stop ity n if they could they would while ur goverment can change the law or do anythin about it

Yes i can compare the two things - you're punishing an entire nation for something that 2 ppl decided to do, which would be the same as if i punished the entire muslim nation for Bin Laden's attacks.

And no, my government should definitely not change the laws allowing freedom of speech and freedom of the press just because some (not all) muslims have a problem with these drawings - Hindus find it sacrilegious to eat cows but that doesn't mean that there should be a law in Denmark that says that you cannot eat beef out of respect for Hindus. What we need in our country is a debate about how we treat and depict each other so that muslims can practice their religion within the framework of basic Danish values and norms.

The original reason why these drawings were published was because an author couldn't find somebody who would illustrate his children's book about Muhammed because they feared attacks from extremist muslims after the film instructor Theo Van Gogh was killed in the Netherlands, which sparked a debate about self-censorship and freedom of speech and whether ppl should let extremists set the public agenda and I do think that's an important debate: it should be possible for ppl to debate or even criticise other religions without having to fear for their lives.
Jesus has been caricatured dozens of times, but you don't see Christian religious groups boycotting English goods because of e.g. Monty Python's Life of Brian or burning the English flag or setting fire to English embassies. And nobody expects the English government to apologise.

[AspirinE]

U know wat some times Press shouldnt be aloud to much freedom. exersise ur freedome of speech wen u converse with people.
But when a journalist writes something in a newspaper, he must know that he is talking for other people as well.

The newspaper must only speak facts and with respect, wat they did was personal and discriminative.

[Curious]

U know wat some times Press shouldnt be aloud to much freedom. exersise ur freedome of speech wen u converse with people.
But when a journalist writes something in a newspaper, he must know that he is talking for other people as well.

The newspaper must only speak facts and with respect, wat they did was personal and discriminative.

I disagree that newspapers should only state facts, they should be allowed to express opinions otherwise you would never have a public debate about anything n governments would have a greater chance oppressing ppl and manipulating public opinion

However, as i've already said plenty of times, i do think that some - not all - of the drawings were disrespectful but at the same time it's a huge problem that ppl are seeing these drawings out of context and drawing their conclusions based on misinformation or lack of information. E.g. i do think it's a huge problem that islamic extremists have forged drawings of Muhammed with a pig's nose because they wanted to cause a reaction in the Middle East and didn't think the drawings in the newspaper were bad enough, and these "false" drawings are now circulating in muslim countries.

Some of the reactions the muslims in the Middle East are currently exhibiting are clear signs of a lack of understanding of western society and governmental principles - e.g. an Iraqi leader demanded that the Vatican should step in and put pressure on the Danish government, and just to make things clear, Denmark has been a Protestant country since 1536 and the Vatican has absolutely no influence in this country whatsoever, just as the government cannot fire or punish the editors of a privately owned newspaper - the government doesn't control the media and shouldn't control the media.

[AspirinE]

I disagree that newspapers should only state facts, they should be allowed to express opinions otherwise you would never have a public debate about anything n governments would have a greater chance oppressing ppl and manipulating public opinion

Ok so how can u consider these cartoons as facts, they are merely like propaganda, What makes u think u cant have a public debate on FACTS...
And ohh please dont give me that freedome shit.. coz it wouldnt do no harm if the cartoons werent published/

However, as i've already said plenty of times, i do think that some - not all - of the drawings were disrespectful but at the same time it's a huge problem that ppl are seeing these drawings out of context and drawing their conclusions based on misinformation or lack of information. E.g. i do think it's a huge problem that islamic extremists have forged drawings of Muhammed with a pig's nose because they wanted to cause a reaction in the Middle East and didn't think the drawings in the newspaper were bad enough, and these "false" drawings are now circulating in muslim countries.

Some of the reactions the muslims in the Middle East are currently exhibiting are clear signs of a lack of understanding of western society and governmental principles - e.g. an Iraqi leader demanded that the Vatican should step in and put pressure on the Danish government, and just to make things clear, Denmark has been a Protestant country since 1536 and the Vatican has absolutely no influence in this country whatsoever, just as the government cannot fire or punish the editors of a privately owned newspaper - the government doesn't control the media and shouldn't control the media.

Yes there are extremists, but u have insulted not only extremists ( wich by the way is really bad idea to piss off) but u insulted the whole islam nation, an apology would have been enough to settle this, congratulations on making matters worse.

I fully support the idea of not having the media controlled the goverment, but there are boundaries to some things that have to be made. OBviously from now on danish people will think twice before making fun of the a religion that is common to extrimists. And u picked a damn damn good time for it - the time wen the middle east is getting enough heat from the other countries.[/quote]

[ines]

i have see it on the news and i don't know where everybody is making such a big deal? okay, that danish newspaper has no right to drawn that cartoon, but the muslims have drawn a cartoon about the jodish people and hitler.so, none of us is good at all, and i think what your religious is, you must could laugh with it.and now, there is another thing to get loads of fighting around the world for that cartoon.and we can go on al the times.and what have done a islam site, get the people that has put that cartoon into the newspaper,shoot a bullit between their eyes, so, it's a joke too, but this is a really nasty joke.
and i am no racist, i am just telling my opinion on this

[Curious]

Ok so how can u consider these cartoons as facts, they are merely like propaganda, What makes u think u cant have a public debate on FACTS...
And ohh please dont give me that freedome shit.. coz it wouldnt do no harm if the cartoons werent published

I never said I considered the cartoons facts. I consider them as expressing opinions and I don't even agree with these opinions, I don't think these cartoons should've been published but that still doesn't make it right to threaten ppl with physical harm and blame an entire nation for something two ppl were stupid enough to do.
And who decides what's fact and what's not fact - it all depends on interpretation.

Yes there are extremists, but u have insulted not only extremists ( wich by the way is really bad idea to piss off) but u insulted the whole islam nation, an apology would have been enough to settle this, congratulations on making matters worse.

I fully support the idea of not having the media controlled the goverment, but there are boundaries to some things that have to be made. OBviously from now on danish people will think twice before making fun of the a religion that is common to extrimists. And u picked a damn damn good time for it - the time wen the middle east is getting enough heat from the other countries.

U know, it really pisses me off when u say "u have insulted not only extremists" - I have NOT insulted anyone, I did not decide to publish these drawings, there are 5.5 million Danish ppl and it was 2 ppl who decided to publish these drawings and to say that I or all the other Danish citizens have played a part in the publishing of these drawings is totally and utterly unfair. That would be the same as holding any muslim responsible for terrorist attacks carried out by muslim extremists.

These drawings are not my responsibility and I'm not going to apologise for anything that I had absolutely nothing to do with, just as I don't expect any muslim on the corner to apologise for having attacked Danish citizens. And the Danish government or the Danish Queen cannot apologise either - it is now up to the judicial system to judge whether these drawings have violated the laws against discrimination in our country.
If anyone should apologise it's the two editors, and the newspaper has in fact issued a public apology in English and Arabic in Arabic newspapers and on their website apologising for hurting ppls feelings.

Another thing is that what is going right now has ceased to be about the drawings, now it's about muslim extremist groups seizeing the opportunity to fuel the hatred against the west and gaining power in their respective countries and that is taking the conflict to a whole other level which has nothing to do with the original issue.