Incest

[SliK]

Obviously incestuous couples who smoke are at an even greater risk. My point is that there are environmental factors that affect most people that cause a lot more problems than being related. Obviously it increases the risk, but so many things increase the risk that it seems so arbitrary to outlaw only one of those things.

[Guess_Who]

lol.....we are mixing things, then ugly people shouldn't have kids neither, they have posibilities to be ugly too....is an absurd comparison.

I don't know what are the posibilities of a person who smoked during many time to have a kid with problems , but I'm sure much less that a kid result of incest, these children are very likely to have Down syndrome.

[CrashBand]

You could argue we morally should outlaw the other factors.

But it's just too hard because society will outrage.

Similar argument is that we should ban alcohol. When someone brings up weed should be legal because alcohol is.

Just because some bad things are legal (the other factors/alcohol), and it's too hard to make them illegal, doesn't mean you should make all bad things legal.

[SliK]

Guess_Who, I've posted a source for my claims. Why don't you? My source states that simply being a teenager increases the risk 10x more than cousins in their twenties. Should we raise the legal age for intercourse to 21, just in case? That's absurd.

@Crash, who is to say what is bad? Or good? I say weed is good. Others say it's bad. Good and bad are all subjective. I understand it would be hard to argue that an increased risk of birth defects is a good thing, but incestuous couples are uncommon, and there wouldn't all of a sudden be an increase in retarded babies if they were allowed to get married. The same amount of couples would exist, some would just choose to marry.

[CrashBand]

Assuming something is bad. Let's say increasing the chances of birth defects. Let's say alcohol and weed is bad for sake of argument.

People argue - because alcohol is legal therefore weed should be able to.

The same way you are arguing - people who smoke can have kids, therefore incestuous couples should.

I'm saying they should all be illegal, (to be the devils advocate). And it is just inconceivable to make alcohol illegal and smokers not be able to have children in society.

This doesn't mean we should automatically let the others be legal. You have to argue them on their own merits that they are not bad for society.

Weed you can argue for. Increased birth defects, not so much. Perhaps argue that it won't change that much, therefore it isn't significantly bad for society. Therefore no reason to be illegal.

[Guess_Who]

Guess_Who, I've posted a source for my claims. Why don't you? My source states that simply being a teenager increases the risk 10x more than cousins in their twenties. Should we raise the legal age for intercourse to 21, just in case? That's absurd.

I'm working and I have no time to search. As I said one thing has not to do with the other. Noone says having kids being a teenager is good.

But having an incest relation is just crazy. Incest makes that genes can't change, which is essential for the survival of the race. Children of incest in the vast majority have serious health problems and a limited life expectancy. I guess you can find this just by searching in google.

[classthe_king]

Where did you post a source?


And to back up Tash, if you fall in love with your cousin you can help that. Stop talking to your cousin, stop seeing your cousin, go on dates with other girls, eventually you'll move on and love somebody else.

[classthe_king]

Where did you post a source?


And to back up Tash, if you fall in love with your cousin you can help that. Stop talking to your cousin, stop seeing your cousin, go on dates with other girls, eventually you'll move on and love somebody else.

Yeah, because ignoring love is that simple.

I never said it was easy

[SajN]

Where did you post a source?


And to back up Tash, if you fall in love with your cousin you can help that. Stop talking to your cousin, stop seeing your cousin, go on dates with other girls, eventually you'll move on and love somebody else.

Yeah, because ignoring love is that simple.

I never said it was easy

Yeah, believe me, it was difficult

[SliK]

Where did you post a source?

First page, 5th post...
You even quoted the post with the source smh

Ignoring love it's simple just move on, there are so many other girls in the world.

I know a lot of cultures marry cousins but it is disgusting in my opinion unless they are like 4th cousins I guess.

But why is it disgusting?
It pisses me off when people offer a fucking opinion with no valid reasoning. Tell me why it is disgusting, not simply that you think it is.

[SliK]

No, I'll tell you that you only feel as though it is "wrong" because of society. Those feelings of disgust originate from the very same place as homophobia. It's like, homophobes hate the idea of man sex because its "disgusting" or "unnatural"... But it really isn't. If you were raised by a society that condoned incest you wouldn't blink an eye at it.

[BILI]

@op you beat it off to your cousin dont you?

[SliK]

I'm talking about consenting adults, not abusive relationships or arranged marriages.

I have never said gay relationships and incestuous relationships are the same. I am saying the way people think about them, and the feeling of disgust people have for both types of relationships comes from the same place.

You just said yourself you think both are disgusting. Your reasoning for finding incest disgusting is the retarded babies... Well the fact is that cousins only have a 5% (or less) increased chance of having a disabled baby than any regular couple. So it really isn't all that bad, considering (like I have already said ten times) there are many more factors like being a smoker (not smoking during pregnancy, just being a smoker is all it takes), that increases the risk of defects by even more. So you think of all the smokers that are having children, does that DISGUST you in the same way incest does? By your reasoning, it should disgust you even more because the chances of defects are higher.

The retarded baby argument is a bit of a cop out, when you look at statistics, because the chances of cousins having a messed up baby really isn't very high (despite what you may have seen or heard).

@BILI- In all seriousness, I only have boy cousins and all my relatives live half way around the world. I honestly don't even know my family, so that has nothing to do with it.

[SliK]

No, you're misunderstanding me too much. Smokers IN GENERAL have a higher chance of birth defects than cousins. NOT just the ones who smoke during pregnancy. Smokers period.

Yes I'm talking about cousins. I posted the source on the first page of this thread if you could be bothered to check your own information you would learn that first cousins do NOT have a very high risk of birth defects.

[SliK]

Ok, pull out a source and show me. Don't say you could prove me wrong, do it.

And sorry to say, but using your own family as an example is a bad idea. I am choosing not to comment on it because you would probably find what I have to say offensive, as it would suggest your bloodline is already littered with faulty genes. So I'm not really ignoring it, just choosing to be a bit respectful