Obama = Worst president choice.

[gladimnotsoluble]

Why is that amricans are so afraid of socialism?

Because it doesn't work...?

[gladimnotsoluble]

^ ???

[Ice_Scarred]

i don't think anyone's mentioned palin yet. she's got less experience than obama

your right being a mayor and a govenor doesnt give you as much experince as being a community organizer BAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

Experience isn't always the key. Obama was not only a Community Organizer by the way. He was a Civil Liberties Lawyer, President of the Harvard Law Review, Illinois State Senator, and a current member of the United States Senate. Reagan was an Actor and had very little experience in Politics before he was U.S. President. Now he's always praised for his success.

Obama, I admit does have some holes in his policies. His Health Care Plan is a bit shakey, his Tax Plan sounds a bit too Socialist (I just hope he doesn't outrageously tax the Wealthy, because on our current Tax plan they are already taxed more because of their income. The Tax cut sounds great, but I just don't have a complete answer to that.), and his plan to withdraw Troops from Iraq is great, however it will inevitably take longer than the promised 16 months (its honestly just ear tickling).

John McCain isn't the perfect candidate either. He has flip-flopped way more than Obama. Compare John McCain of the 2000 presidential election, to this new "Maverick" John McCain. McCain is no Maverick anymore. In his hay day, he talked so sense (I learned through research). Now these days he is stumbling over his own words all the time. Go on Youtube and type in "John McCain vs. John McCain"
. Obama has stumbled over his own words aswell, no doubt.

Right now I am starting to believe Sarah Palin is more of a Maverick than John McCain. Joe Biden was a great pick though. Biden has the Foreign Policy experience and wisdom, a part Obama truly lacks. This race will be an interesting one, thats for sure.

[gladimnotsoluble]

Experience isn't always the key. Obama was not only a Community Organizer by the way. He was a Civil Liberties Lawyer, President of the Harvard Law Review, Illinois State Senator, and a current member of the United States Senate. Reagan was an Actor and had very little experience in Politics before he was U.S. President. Now he's always praised for his success.

Obama, I admit does have some holes in his policies. His Health Care Plan is a bit shakey, his Tax Plan sounds a bit too Socialist (I just hope he doesn't outrageously tax the Wealthy, because on our current Tax plan they are already taxed more because of their income. The Tax cut sounds great, but I just don't have a complete answer to that.), and his plan to withdraw Troops from Iraq is great, however it will inevitably take longer than the promised 16 months (its honestly just ear tickling).

John McCain isn't the perfect candidate either. He has flip-flopped way more than Obama. Compare John McCain of the 2000 presidential election, to this new "Maverick" John McCain. McCain is no Maverick anymore. In his hay day, he talked so sense (I learned through research). Now these days he is stumbling over his own words all the time. Go on Youtube and type in "John McCain vs. John McCain"
. Obama has stumbled over his own words aswell, no doubt.

Right now I am starting to believe Sarah Palin is more of a Maverick than John McCain. Joe Biden was a great pick though. Biden has the Foreign Policy experience and wisdom, a part Obama truly lacks. This race will be an interesting one, thats for sure.

You're someone who clearly is taking this logically, and I appreciate that. This is the problem with partisanship, people go so crazy and don't think logically. It's refreshing to hear someone approach the issues in a fashion that isn't based on emotion.

[BlaqReaper]

Why is that amricans are so afraid of socialism?

Stalin? Hitler?


Excuse me? Oh, and I'm not American. Lolz.


By the way, it makes no difference who wins. We'll see the end result soon enough.

Stalin is a communist. Communism is an extreme form of socialism. That's like saying all religious people are religiously extreme terrorist. It's true that the only socialist countries today are communists...but socialism =/= communism. Also, Stalin is insane.

Hiter and the Nazi's were socialist, but the problem with them was that they were also fascist. They gained complete control of the government and even more scary, they gained complete support of the public. That allowed them to commit their atrocious acts without anyone saying: "Hey wait a minute...maybe this is wrong."
But although, Hitler was also a madman and evil, no one can deny that he benefited Germany. After WWI, Germany was in shambles and forced to pay off the huge war debt. Hitler and the Nazi party promised they could save the economy and guess what? They did. They built tons of roads and even created the Volkswagen (meaning People's cars) brand of cars. So to sum it up: Hitler did his country well (through socialism), he was just crazy and wanted to dictate the world while deciding to kill a minority (facism).



That said I do believe capitalism is the best economic policy. I do support Obama, but I don't think he has the control you think he does that will allow him to change USA into a socialist nation in just 4 years.

[Robbie G]

The problem I see is that you give the government too much power your eventually going to come across another Htler/Stalin etc...

[gladimnotsoluble]

Blaq Reaper,
1) Communism is not an extreme form of Socialism--Socialism is an extreme of Communism
2) The fear is that Obama will be able to make this country more socialistic then ever. Why? The Democrats will control the House, and the Senate, and then the Presidency. With Reed, Pelosi, Obama, and Biden you have the most unprecedented control by one party since 1820. What ever happened to Checks and Balances? That's the fear. In a time of economic struggles, is taxing small businesses the answer? We need Jobs right? How can you get jobs by hurting the people who create jobs. We have to realize this isn't Bill Clinton, this is Barack Obama. Bill Clinton said that what created his economic growth wasn't a cut in military spending, wasn't limiting government spending or raising taxes, it was lowering the capital gains tax from 28 to 20%. Obama wants to double our capital gains tax..in a time where our stock market is tumultuous.

In America there will always be Democrats and Republicans that will do their deeds, however in my opinion Barack Obama has a chance to become a President that dramatically changes our social order with a democratic supermajority. As the 2007 most liberal senator our country might be led to become France. I really hope not, I really do, I hope Barack Obama will be a good President--but his track record seems to predict otherwise.

[<Stiiccy>]

has anyone seen that shit where the LA times is withholding information that prolly could sway most of the voters decision to not vote for the spear chucker obama lmfao

[gladimnotsoluble]

has anyone seen that shit where the LA times is withholding information that prolly could sway most of the voters decision to not vote for the spear chucker obama lmfao

All they are withholding is the video of Barack Obama at Rashid Khalidi's house.

[<Stiiccy>]

has anyone seen that shit where the LA times is withholding information that prolly could sway most of the voters decision to not vote for the spear chucker obama lmfao

All they are withholding is the video of Barack Obama at Rashid Khalidi's house.

in which someone supposivly talks very bad of a certain country **Isrial**

[gladimnotsoluble]

Eh, who really cares. Jeremiah Wright didn't make a huge effect, Bill Ayers didn't make a big effect, Tony Rezko didn't make a big effect, ACORN didn't make a big effect...you really think Khalidi will?

Nope.

[<Stiiccy>]

Eh, who really cares. Jeremiah Wright didn't make a huge effect, Bill Ayers didn't make a big effect, Tony Rezko didn't make a big effect, ACORN didn't make a big effect...you really think Khalidi will?

Nope.

well this fucker has everone blind so what does it matter...
ahh i already got my bags packed...CANADA HERE I COME

[gladimnotsoluble]

two days..

[BlaqReaper]

Blaq Reaper,
1) Communism is not an extreme form of Socialism--Socialism is an extreme of Communism

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_d ... _socialism
http://www.marxmail.org/faq/socialism_and_communism.htm

Socialism is supposed to be an evolution of democracy. It's when businesses are given to the government so that they can maximize production and be efficient in giving out the goods to everyone. The thing about socialism is that it's an economic policy, not a government policy. In other words socialism is the opposite of capitalism (not democracy). One problem of capitalism is that the big bosses (like the oil guys) can basically screw over all the regular workers because they have all the supplies and can control prices/etc. Socialism tries to alleviate this problem by making factories owned by the government who will help out EVERYONE and make prices more fair and cheap. This is how it's supposed to work, not saying it does.

Communism on the other hand is both an economic and a political policy. Not only does the government take the factories, they take all the stuff people make too and redistribute it as they see fit. So if they think your house fits someone else better, then they can take it and give it away (that's an extreme example btw. I don't think China or other Communist countries do this). The scariest thing about Communism is that they feel all the power of the government should be given to a select group of people, so it's almost a dictatorship with only a few people in power with no opposition.

However democracy and socialism can co-exist because democracy describes how the government is run, and socialism describes how the economy should work.

In fact, socialists hate Communism because it takes an ideal economic plan and twists it into something despicable.

In simple terms: democracy (capitalism) evolves -> democracy (socialism) -> socialism -> Communism (dictatorship)

[BlaqReaper]

I care less what you ignorant idiots do, but don't post here like you KNOW any more than everyone else does, because to be frank, everything that you have posted in Obama's defense, has about as much spine as everyone elses comments: None. You can research till your eyes bleed, facts are facts. And the fact is Obama is not fit to run a country.


Don't post saying "Mccain is old, boo hoo" "Palin is stupid waah waah"... This is about Obama being a bad choice, not Mccain.

All I originally wanted was for you to back up your facts. If you make a claim that Obama is some part of a secret society, a link or something would be nice (I'm just a skeptical person). It doesn't help your claims to insult the opposing side as ignorant idiots. I'd gladly admit I was wrong and Obama is part of Skulls and Bones/CFR if you gave a link or a scan of a magazine or some proof.


And McCain is dragged into this because when you vote, it's not about if one candidate is fit to run a country or not, it's about whether one candidate is more fit than the other to run a country. For example, my roommate used to support McCain and leans towards the Republican ideals, but once Sarah Palin was nominated he felt Obama was more fit to run the nation. It's America, if Obama isn't fit, then the position goes to McCain/Palin. I know Obama isn't the savior or the messiah. He isn't going to make America perfect. But I do feel he is more fit than McCain/Palin and support him and I feel a lot of people share my opinion.