What do you think happens when you die?

[iain08]

Trying to grasp the concept and failing.

but that means they wanted to believe in a god, but just couldn't. atheists don't want to believe in a god.

No. That's not how it is at all.

for which part? i'm not getting into a relgion debate though, I know shit all about it.

[classthe_king]

for which part? i'm not getting into a relgion debate though, I know shit all about it.

"Athiests don't want to believe in god"

Athiests don't just force themselves not to believe in god like they don't want to believe in him. They believe in the truth, and they don't feel like that is a god. So you can try to believe in a god and still be athiest.

[iain08]

"Athiests don't want to believe in god"

Athiests don't just force themselves not to believe in god like they don't want to believe in him. They believe in the truth, and they don't feel like that is a god. So you can try to believe in a god and still be athiest.

I didn't mean it as in atheists are purposely avoiding the 'truth', but more like they know they're right (that god doesn't exist) and won't be convinced that a god exists because it doesn't make sense to them. it's illogical.

[classthe_king]

"Athiests don't want to believe in god"

Athiests don't just force themselves not to believe in god like they don't want to believe in him. They believe in the truth, and they don't feel like that is a god. So you can try to believe in a god and still be athiest.

I didn't mean it as in atheists are purposely avoiding the 'truth', but more like they know they're right (that god doesn't exist) and won't be convinced that a god exists because it doesn't make sense to them. it's illogical.

Yeah but that doesn't mean that in their transistion period from christian to athiest that they didn't try to believe in a god but found that they couldn't.

[Solace]

Trying to grasp the concept and failing.

but that means they wanted to believe in a god, but just couldn't. atheists don't want to believe in a god.

A lot of atheists don't believe in God because they can't (not because they don't want to; those that don't really care are more agnostic if anything). It would seem far too illogical and unbelievable to someone who doesn't believe in God, or a God or whatever, but Atheists can still try to but not be able to as Cosh said, grasp the concept and failing.

[iain08]

A lot of atheists don't believe in God because they can't (not because they don't want to; those that don't really care are more agnostic if anything). It would seem far too illogical and unbelievable to someone who doesn't believe in God, or a God or whatever, but Atheists can still try to but not be able to as Cosh said, grasp the concept and failing.

Yeah but that doesn't mean that in their transistion period from christian to athiest that they didn't try to believe in a god but found that they couldn't.

how do you try and fail though? what's stopping them from believing? because if someone went from christian to atheist that could mean they only were christian because they were brought up that way and grew up thinking god exists, until they really questioned it.

[classthe_king]

Because I tried to believe in God. I did a lot of research on the matter and soul searching so that I could find out the truth. I didn't finally decide I didn't believe in God because I didn't want to believe in God, I did it because it was the truth.

[iain08]

Because I tried to believe in God. I did a lot of research on the matter and soul searching so that I could find out the truth. I didn't finally decide I didn't believe in God because I didn't want to believe in God, I did it because it was the truth.

that's how I feel too. a God existing doesn't make sense at all to me, so I've never pursued it or even thought about turning to religion.

[Solace]

How do you try and fail? Lol, it would be QUITE hard for someone who's grown up with values of no God to just push God into their life and try to believe that there is something much larger than them that some how created them, almost as if it's magic. And I wasn't talking about someone who turned Christian to Athiest, I just mean an Athiest in general. It's a difficult concept to believe in, and there are too many unanswered questions for someone questioning God's existence to just give in and believe in something they can't see, in something that doesn't talk to them, in something they don't really see helping the world at all, in something they see as fiction, etc.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to debate though lol. You're trying to debate that non-believers can't try and fail? And that it's either succeed in believing, or not believing at all? I'm not quite sure how this topic rose, since this is supposed to be about the afterlife lol.

Well, non-believers can try and fail because no matter who they interact with, or what bibles they read through, or stories they read/hear of, or what documentaries about God's existence they watch, they still can't believe there is a God. And you can't really debate that, I mean that's exactly what non-believers do. Unless you're a non-believer who has tried and failed, you can't really have much to say against it. You're speaking for something you're not apart of, and saying it doesn't work like that, since you're not a non-believer who tried and failed, but a non-believer who doesn't care to try.

[the real slim shady]

i would like to think there is some kind of god, but as no-one has or can prove there is one i simply cant make myself believe in it. If someone can prove god exists, then cool, but i dont see it happening. I think the universe was made by the big bang, life was an 'accident' and evolution is what has made us what we are, ass all of that has been proven to me and seems logical. If someone can prove me wrong, fair play.

We are getting a bit off topic by the way guys, i didnt help there^ but you know, just throwing that out there.

[J.R.]

I think you either rot in hell or say hi to the man upstairs.

[Eedee]

I think you either rot in hell or say hi to the man upstairs.

How can you rot in hell when all that fire needs the oxygen to burn?

And I've heard the phrase "Choke in Hell" meaning a lack of oxygen. Then how can one "rot" or "burn" without oxygen (rotting needs oxygen, fire needs oxygen).

[Solace]

^Not sure if serious.

[the real slim shady]

^Not sure if serious.

he is being too serious

[Solace]

Haha yeah.