Morals

[classthe_king]

God said that murder is wrong and that's why we should not do it

[SliK]

From a "survival" attitude - and lets face it, the meaning of life is simply to survive so that we may pass on our genetic material and ensure the survival of the species - we should only not do an action that is detrimental to our species. Nothing else matters, really. Even the well being of a few million animals, or even people, mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. If you consider the insignificance of an emotion in the vast infinity of time and space, really the only thing that matters is survival, if for no other reason than to marvel at the utterly astounding fact that life exists.

I have different morals to you then.

And I think you are committing the naturalistic fallacy.

I don't think I did. I'm saying the purpose of any species is to pass on their genetic material.
Humans really did get too smart for their own good. Moral dilemmas have caused our genetics to become fucked up. We keep the weak alive long enough to procreate and even transplant organs from dead people into those who are not (quite).
Of course, I'm not saying it's wrong... Just that if we had no morality, or empathy, we would be a stronger race because it really would be survival of the fittest.

[CrashBand]

From a "survival" attitude - and lets face it, the meaning of life is simply to survive so that we may pass on our genetic material and ensure the survival of the species - we should only not do an action that is detrimental to our species. Nothing else matters, really. Even the well being of a few million animals, or even people, mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. If you consider the insignificance of an emotion in the vast infinity of time and space, really the only thing that matters is survival, if for no other reason than to marvel at the utterly astounding fact that life exists.

I have different morals to you then.

And I think you are committing the naturalistic fallacy.

I don't think I did. I'm saying the purpose of any species is to pass on their genetic material.
Humans really did get too smart for their own good. Moral dilemmas have caused our genetics to become fucked up. We keep the weak alive long enough to procreate and even transplant organs from dead people into those who are not (quite).
Of course, I'm not saying it's wrong... Just that if we had no morality, or empathy, we would be a stronger race because it really would be survival of the fittest.

You should join forces with Hitler SliK

[classthe_king]

I used to think like SliK did, stopping the weak from reproducing to increase the gene pool. Then I came to the conclusion that it all really doesn't matter and that everyone should just live and enjoy life whether they are smart, dumb, weak or strong. Humans got smart enough to realize there is more to life than just passing on genes to offspring.

[CrashBand]

Yeah. I think just because we are lucky enough to be born smarter / better looking / stronger then someone else doesn't mean we should not help those less fortunate.

I think we should show compassion.

[classthe_king]

Yeah. I think just because we are lucky enough to be born smarter / better looking / stronger then someone else doesn't mean we should not help those less fortunate.

I think we should show compassion.

Yeah I think if everybody cared about one another and tried to help each other out then everyone would be a lot better off. People think that they always need to look out for themselves but if everybody looked out for everybody then you would have the whole world helping you as opposed to only you helping yourself.

[SliK]

Human nature doesn't allow us to be selfless like that.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that we shouldn't help the sick/weak. It's merely an observation that we have weakened our gene pool.

[CrashBand]

Human nature doesn't allow us to be selfless like that.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that we shouldn't help the sick/weak. It's merely an observation that we have weakened our gene pool.

Yeah, I go back to the "is-ought" conundrum though.

[Rollimeo]

Yeah. I think just because we are lucky enough to be born smarter / better looking / stronger then someone else doesn't mean we should not help those less fortunate.

I think we should show compassion.

Yeah I think if everybody cared about one another and tried to help each other out then everyone would be a lot better off. People think that they always need to look out for themselves but if everybody looked out for everybody then you would have the whole world helping you as opposed to only you helping yourself.

word to that
I want to start next month by being as positive as possible and just help my fellow human beings when possible

[classthe_king]

Yeah. I think just because we are lucky enough to be born smarter / better looking / stronger then someone else doesn't mean we should not help those less fortunate.

I think we should show compassion.

Yeah I think if everybody cared about one another and tried to help each other out then everyone would be a lot better off. People think that they always need to look out for themselves but if everybody looked out for everybody then you would have the whole world helping you as opposed to only you helping yourself.

word to that
I want to start next month by being as positive as possible and just help my fellow human beings when possible

Why not start today?

[EG.]

Golden rule.

[Willy]

Morality is a tool that helps/helped us survive as animals with intelligence. That's why despite signs of moral relativism, there are universal laws that seem to exist in societies everywhere. Killing is usually pretty bad, rape is pretty bad, stealing, etc.. as these things are typically counterproductive to a social environment that allows us to work together and survive.

[SliK]

Morality is a tool that helps/helped us survive as animals with intelligence. That's why despite signs of moral relativism, there are universal laws that seem to exist in societies everywhere. Killing is usually pretty bad, rape is pretty bad, stealing, etc.. as these things are typically counterproductive to a social environment that allows us to work together and survive.

Rape and murder are both very, very common.

[Willy]

Morality is a tool that helps/helped us survive as animals with intelligence. That's why despite signs of moral relativism, there are universal laws that seem to exist in societies everywhere. Killing is usually pretty bad, rape is pretty bad, stealing, etc.. as these things are typically counterproductive to a social environment that allows us to work together and survive.

Rape and murder are both very, very common.

Common in the sense that societies are typically against it.. Yeah, I agree. What's your point?

[Rollimeo]

word to that
I want to start next month by being as positive as possible and just help my fellow human beings when possible

Why not start today?

the only reason I didn't start today was cause I am from Arizona and since we don't do the daylight saving stuff here so it was still November
but yeah I have started today now
and it feels great so far