Guns

[AbramIsaac]

That and the rappper Gunplay said on twitter "Government killed dem kids to take away our guns away. Another 9/11. Dont get it twisted." Is it ignorance or scary shit?

LMAO

Wow...I mean...wow.

[ChristinaE12]

Why do people think automatically if something works for them, another country, that it will work for another. Another that is completely different in every way. It makes no sense.

Stricter laws makes great sense though. Taking them completely away is just dumb though.

Do people actually understand that gun violence is dropping though. Although gun ownership is increasing?

[Hansen]

Moral of the story: I just think you should get rid of all the fucking guns America. I know it would be hard for someone (especially the rednecks owning all the beloved guns in the whole catalouge) but it would benefit you in the whole run. Look at my fucking country (Norway), theres no guns expect those who who hunt and they have to go through so much fucking paperwork to get a license and theres almost zero murders caused by guns.

[ChristinaE12]

Another classic example..

It works for me/us so it will work for you.

lol.

[Hansen]

Ofcourse it will, you "just" have to accept it. But when your NRA blaims tragedies like the Newtown shooting at pornography and gaming it just seems likes theres no fucking hope. Armed guards at every children school? The fuck?

[ChristinaE12]

Again.. Its not the guns. It's the idiotic fuckin people who choose to use them. What about the good that comes from em. The shit you know you don't hear or see about. Lets see the whole picture instead of just the bad.

The main problem is no one will take responsibility anymore. People these days are a bunch of fuckin pussies. It's always someone or something else's fault because they fucked up and cant take the blame. Society is truly fucked.

[Hansen]

I somewhat agree. But an America without any guns at all. Strict to the bone. What's your opinion? What would it be like? Fewer murders? Ofcourse it would. Would tragedies like the Newton shooting happen then? I don't think so. Monsters like that Lanza guy would not be able to aquire arms to go trough with something like that.

[ChristinaE12]

I think it'd be pointless and ridiculous. It's one of things our country was built upon.

Seriously though. Go research and see the good also. Don't just look at the picture the media portrays to you. Its a bunch of one sided bullshit.

There is always a down/bad side to everything. But you have to see the good as well.

[Hansen]

What the media portrays? Really? Look at the fucking statistic I'll even add a link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... e-us-state) An example: you think those children would be alive today if people like Lanza wouldn't been able to aquire guns? For sure. What's good about guns? Sure, I can see the fun in going to a shooting range and getting a kick.

[ChristinaE12]

Those stats aren't so black and white. Plus you are only lookin at one side of the story. You know how many times guns are used against criminals. Those count as statistics too. You still are not seeing half the picture.. Let alone the whole thing.

Lets go to the basics. What is the point of gun 'control'. To get rid of violence and guns. Correct.

Well there will be an even bigger black market for this shit. Seeing how most the guns being used aren't quite legal to begin with. Making guns impossible to get is only going to mean that criminals will then have them. Not the people who will actually need them. What good is that going to do.. When that is your very own point in getting rid of them to begin with.. Correct?

Does that not seem ass backwards. We need to fix the source of the issue. Just cause the gun is there doesn't mean its going to kill something. I'll say it again. Guns are used far more positively than negatively. You just don't see that. That is exactly what the media isn't showing you. They only show the negative. Imagine that.

[Hansen]

Well I do. But since your country has been running little to none gun controll for decades I guess theres no seeing guns gone. Yeah sure, you can kill criminals, but criminals can still break in to your house in the middle of the night and shoot your whole family with a weapon he bought just down the block. And criminals will still own guns even with guns being legal or not, that's how it is in any country. Guns being used more for the positive is for the eyes of individuals to see I think.

[NextEpisode]

Let me first say this; in the sense that I...

(i) Prefer a smaller government rather than a big one
(ii) Prefer fewer- & simpler- regulations rather than more- & complex ones
(iii) Believe that, in general, people are more suited to make decisions for themselves, instead of paying the government to make these decisions for them. In other words, I'm also for a simpler [probably lower], but still fair tax-system.

... one could probably say that I'm biased towards libertarian views. But even though I share some of the views of a libertarian, I don’t consider myself as a one. I’m somewhere in-between.

With this background, one could probably also assume that I'm for the "right to own" arms. But, whilst I could see how people can support this, I don't think that this "right" is appropriate in this day and age.

The argument that has been made several times throughout the past centuries, that 'citizens should have the right to defend themselves against a potentially "tyrannical government"', originates a long way back in history. I would argue that this argument isn't as valid today as it may have been in the past. The main factor for this counter-argument is the technological progress.

Some people might agree with me on that point, but say that; “Hey[!], what about all the criminals, we must be able to defend ourselves!”. To these people, I’d admit that to a certain [limited] extent, this argument makes sense. BUT, the argument implies that the solution to reduce the harm of guns is to actually enable more people to own guns. This - indirectly - enables more criminals/people with mental-problems to access guns.

So, instead of trying to solve the “gun-problem” with more guns, why not instead go to the root of the problem, why do people commit crimes? There are certainly gaps in society that could be fixed, and prevent a person to even get to the situation where he/she consider to make a crime.

Of course, with the current flow of weapons in the United States, it would be really hard to get rid of them all, and that if we tried, citizens that don't cause crimes will be left unable to defend themselves against the criminals who still will have their guns. (Fair?!) This is another argument for the proposition to keep the rules as they are. But I still believe that if the effort REALLY was made, it could be done. And that it would improve the overall situation in the long-run.

Long ass post, I know. lol.

[classthe_king]

Come on Hansen

[ChristinaE12]

Wow! This gun convo is still going on? Lol I thought we established already that the US needs to address the mentally ill b4 guns.

Yeah... That and the other main sources of the problem.

[Minimii]

Another classic example..

It works for me/us so it will work for you.

lol.

You really think that Europe and USA are so different that it would be impossible to europeanize USA?
Besides isnt that what US troops are doing in middle-east, bring "democracy" and "freedom" for the poor people.
Seriosly tho taking away the guns wouldnt be the answer but it would be the first step towards less violent society.
Or do you really have some concrete evidence that the fact that there are more guns than people in USA has any positive side to it?