I have given up on the kids as fans of rap

[mcZu]

True. I still think that lyrics are more important than the beat, but that's 'cause I'm a fan of lyrics. Rap does stand for rythme and poetry, so the lyrics should be the most important factor in Hip Hop music imo. Although without a good beat a rap song would sound shitty as hell. A good balance makes up what we Hip Hop fans perceive as real Hip Hop I suppose. Both should get as much credit as they deserve, I think they do get that. I mean, everyone who knows Rakim knows Eric B, everyone who knows Eminem knows Dre etc.. Hip Hop fans do know about the likes of Preemp, J Dilla, 9th Wonder and so on.. So I think they do get credit, but not enough.

I'm a huge fan of lyrics too. I love the feeling when I listen to a song and hear a line that is so sick that it makes me wanna tag it on my wall (despite the fact that my mom would bury me alive ) and stare at it for hours..

cause this is C-E-L-P-H demonic symphony,
listen to the hell we make,
in a year before your kids 10th birthday came,
you didn't have to wait for candles on the cake to see the nine flame

I fucking love that part of 'Seven', I been crazy over this song lately lol it's great.

I meant the less known producers. Premo or J Dilla, they get alot of credit, so does Dre and Eric B. I don't have a good example right now, but alot of beats used by AOTP ('Seven' has a sick beat) or Apathy are fucking dope. Madlib's beats are great. Hi-Tek makes awesome beats. And people get excited over Timbaland.. I'm not saying he's not good, but really, I heard better.

That Celph verse was fucking dope, the way he played with those numbers is genius.

And when I hear a dope line I can't help but to smile... Everytime I get new songs by my favourite artists it feels like I'm an addict and I just got my fix, lol. Especially complex wordplay, I love to think about that shit.

That said, I know what you mean. If the average rap fan hears an AOTP verse, and they like the beat.. they will refer to that beat as an AOTP beat, and will give all the credit to the rappers instead of the producers. Especially with unknown producers, the emcee gets all the credit and the producer almost nothing if none at all.

[classthe_king]

I love you Yoshi

I love that song.
"Im Jesus in the flesh so this is motherfucking christian rap.
Yall just christmas acts must be the secret santa.
My reindeer aim neer pierce ya with the antlers."

The beat is insane on that song, i wrote a song to it actually. And i love the beat on Bloody Tears too. Insane.

Haha damn right, the one I quoted and this one are one of the best lines from 'Seven'. Lots of good beats on that album, mind sharing your song?

You just earned +50 points in Yoshi's Coolness Scale

I feel honored , and yeah ill pm it you if you want it.

That Celph verse was fucking dope, the way he played with those numbers is genius.

And when I hear a dope line I can't help but to smile... Everytime I get new songs by my favourite artists it feels like I'm an addict and I just got my fix, lol. Especially complex wordplay, I love to think about that shit.

That said, I know what you mean. If the average rap fan hears an AOTP verse, and they like the beat.. they will refer to that beat as an AOTP beat, and will give all the credit to the rappers instead of the producers. Especially with unknown producers, the emcee gets all the credit and the producer almost nothing if none at all.

That's exactly what happens. Someone will say Lil Wayne is the best rapper alive and ill ask for one fact supporting him being the best rapper alive and they will ALWAYS say something like, dude his beats are amazing.

Well 1) he didnt even make the beat, and 2) what does the beat have to do with his rapping?

[mcZu]

That's exactly what happens. Someone will say Lil Wayne is the best rapper alive and ill ask for one fact supporting him being the best rapper alive and they will ALWAYS say something like, dude his beats are amazing.

Well 1) he didnt even make the beat, and 2) what does the beat have to do with his rapping?

Exactly. People think Wayne is dope 'cause he has dope beats... well, then give the fucking credit to the producer and not to Wayne. If you as a listener love the beats, then don't refer to an artist and say he's the best 'cause his beats are dope. Because 9/10 times the rapper in question does not produce himself, he has a procuder who does that. So stop listening to Wayne and start d/l the instrumentals... Producers are definitly underrated in the Hip Hop music business.