BILI speaks the truth

[VenomBlackViper]

Well realizing & agreeing on the problem is half the solution, now we have to do something about it.

Let the team go on a rampage without getting complaints, then it will be fixed

What will happen during said rampage?

[Satire]

Posting a picture of Wayne's face or using the phrase tbh, while annoying, is not fucking trolling. Are you serious?

This is one of the few things that pisses me off about internet forums. Everyone wants to bitch but they don't have any clue what they're bitching about. Only 2 statements made in this thread came correct.

The only real problems on this forum is this idiot, Mahmoud who's been banned, and the recent overdose on tasteless pics. I don't consider Chit-Chat a problem considering it was a section nobody liked anyways, now it's more or less the same but with an actual personality to dislike. "Oh, but it was a sub-section to keep small topics in and there was SOOO MUCH CLUTTERRRRRRR BEFORE IT and it was such a good idea and stuffz, and now it's so pointless because there's no useful threads in there so lets get rid of it. You see this colored name? it means we're intelligent" Oh well geeze, I didn't know that, thanks for informing me. But it sounds familiar. I wish I knew why though

get used to it..that simple

The sub-section isn't hurting anyone. It's not hard to click one more click on ur mouse guys...

Instead of writing so many posts to complain, why don't you just click the other section?

Irony is so fucking funny.

Everyone swears to god that this place was so fucking more insightful and we had such thought provoking debates before the trolling started. Newsflash idiot: It was EXACTLY the same as it is now, the only difference is there's more annoying people with swollen egos, even more annoying pictures and instead of Mahmoud we have Cokebottle. There was still a big use of idiotic pictures (but as I said, less), there were still trolls who tried to bait everyone into attacking them and the Eminem section has always had very few good topics in between the "Oh it's this thread again" pieces.

The same problems have always existed. If it used to be so much better before, then why did you feel the need to set these rules that were never enforced?

1) Please refrain from posting pictures that depict ''funny'' statements.

2) Don't quote someone for the sheer reason of ''worshipping'' his/her post with a smilie.

3) Please try not to insult each other during a debate.

That'll be all. Let's all just try to make this section an enjoyable place to discuss Hip Hop. Thank you.

And Lol@ anyone on this site saying we can never have decent discussion. You guys are just like the naive 14 year old, acne ridden amateur who thinks he has any right to say Hip Hop is dead because he read that Nas is GOAT in a couple Youtube comments. There is ALWAYS atleast decent debate in the hip hop section thanks to the likes of FreeSpeech, MC, dead prez, stillmatic and class, stop being a fucking bitch and actually participate instead of crying "No! It's all trolling! This forum is dead! It's pointless to try!". Where were you during the "white rappers" debate? Why is it that when Maybe says your idols Dre and Kanye aren't good producers, no one opposes him? Oh that's right, because there's never any decent debate opportunities to participate in, right? My bad.

As for the Eminem section it has ALWAYS been cluttered with cliche filler since months after Recovery dropped. That's how it works when you make a forum idolizing a vampire.

Just in case you don't get what I'm trying to say, because I know I speak a little fast for you Pokemanz, this forum hasn't ever been that good in my experience. There has been better members who I bet you interacted better with, but in quality of discussion, it's always been the same threads spray painted and glittered up with the occasional extremely entertaining argument (Oh wait, we still have those. In fact, we have ALOT of those). This forum doesn't suck, the fact is you're growing out of it. New members and trends come along, you just sit back, watch them play out, while either laughing or complaining that they're "stupid" because you're the older brother. That's what you do.

Trolls, tongue in cheek remarks and picture posting is essential on any online forum, it's expected, of course if you take away this you're going to be called "strict", some people actually consider it fun and some people on the opposite end actually think it's funny. But even though there are a few filler posts from by-standards who are just observing the action, that doesn't stop anyone from continuing the main discussion, and the people who are committing these "Crimes" were probably never going to be part of the debate anyways. So stop bitching, stop looking at your forum-adolescence in rose tinted glasses, and start moving. This forum is small enough for 1 person to make a difference without resorting to using your power to go on a "rampage". Look at me, I started this annoying troll-wave (Even though I wasn't even trolling in the beginning). So if it pisses you off so bad, set an example or sit back down and shut the fuck up.

TL;DR: It's not that bad, even Chit Chat is healing. If everyone would just stop posting those annoying fucking Weezy pics and people would actually try to contribute to the discussion, we'd be fine. It has nothing to do with "trolling".

[Slim Fiasco]

I guess I missed the time to sign up, lol.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

i kinda agree

[MikeNUFC]

Wow @ Satire killing it.

People constantly go "ohhh there's no good discussion anymore" - well, make some then, instead of wasting your posts moaning about it.

I have to say a lot of good posts are drowned out by bullshit though.

[Kez]

I'm liking the return of the Mario 64 avatar.

[dR3]

Posting a picture of Wayne's face or using the phrase tbh, while annoying, is not fucking trolling. Are you serious?

This is one of the few things that pisses me off about internet forums. Everyone wants to bitch but they don't have any clue what they're bitching about. Only 2 statements made in this thread came correct.

The only real problems on this forum is this idiot, Mahmoud who's been banned, and the recent overdose on tasteless pics. I don't consider Chit-Chat a problem considering it was a section nobody liked anyways, now it's more or less the same but with an actual personality to dislike. "Oh, but it was a sub-section to keep small topics in and there was SOOO MUCH CLUTTERRRRRRR BEFORE IT and it was such a good idea and stuffz, and now it's so pointless because there's no useful threads in there so lets get rid of it. You see this colored name? it means we're intelligent" Oh well geeze, I didn't know that, thanks for informing me. But it sounds familiar. I wish I knew why though

Irony is so fucking funny.

Everyone swears to god that this place was so fucking more insightful and we had such thought provoking debates before the trolling started. Newsflash idiot: It was EXACTLY the same as it is now, the only difference is there's more annoying people with swollen egos, even more annoying pictures and instead of Mahmoud we have Cokebottle. There was still a big use of idiotic pictures (but as I said, less), there were still trolls who tried to bait everyone into attacking them and the Eminem section has always had very few good topics in between the "Oh it's this thread again" pieces.

The same problems have always existed. If it used to be so much better before, then why did you feel the need to set these rules that were never enforced?

And Lol@ anyone on this site saying we can never have decent discussion. You guys are just like the naive 14 year old, acne ridden amateur who thinks he has any right to say Hip Hop is dead because he read that Nas is GOAT in a couple Youtube comments. There is ALWAYS atleast decent debate in the hip hop section thanks to the likes of FreeSpeech, MC, dead prez, stillmatic and class, stop being a fucking bitch and actually participate instead of crying "No! It's all trolling! This forum is dead! It's pointless to try!". Where were you during the "white rappers" debate? Why is it that when Maybe says your idols Dre and Kanye aren't good producers, no one opposes him? Oh that's right, because there's never any decent debate opportunities to participate in, right? My bad.

As for the Eminem section it has ALWAYS been cluttered with cliche filler since months after Recovery dropped. That's how it works when you make a forum idolizing a vampire.

Just in case you don't get what I'm trying to say, because I know I speak a little fast for you Pokemanz, this forum hasn't ever been that good in my experience. There has been better members who I bet you interacted better with, but in quality of discussion, it's always been the same threads spray painted and glittered up with the occasional extremely entertaining argument (Oh wait, we still have those. In fact, we have ALOT of those). This forum doesn't suck, the fact is you're growing out of it. New members and trends come along, you just sit back, watch them play out, while either laughing or complaining that they're "stupid" because you're the older brother. That's what you do.

Trolls, tongue in cheek remarks and picture posting is essential on any online forum, it's expected, of course if you take away this you're going to be called "strict", some people actually consider it fun and some people on the opposite end actually think it's funny. But even though there are a few filler posts from by-standards who are just observing the action, that doesn't stop anyone from continuing the main discussion, and the people who are committing these "Crimes" were probably never going to be part of the debate anyways. So stop bitching, stop looking at your forum-adolescence in rose tinted glasses, and start moving. This forum is small enough for 1 person to make a difference without resorting to using your power to go on a "rampage". Look at me, I started this annoying troll-wave (Even though I wasn't even trolling in the beginning). So if it pisses you off so bad, set an example or sit back down and shut the fuck up.

TL;DR: It's not that bad, even Chit Chat is healing. If everyone would just stop posting those annoying fucking Weezy pics and people would actually try to contribute to the discussion, we'd be fine. It has nothing to do with "trolling".

Trolling was actually funny when you, Mike and Insider did it. Now it's just stupid and boring because it's extremely over-done. That's the thing that's preventing me from posting in decent debate threads.

[Kez]

Posting a picture of Wayne's face or using the phrase tbh, while annoying, is not fucking trolling. Are you serious?

It's not trolling, but what it is is people thinking they're being funny when they really really aren't, which is what a lot of people on here basically think trolling is now. So technically it all equates to the same thing.

The only real problems on this forum is this idiot, Mahmoud who's been banned, and the recent overdose on tasteless pics. I don't consider Chit-Chat a problem considering it was a section nobody liked anyways, now it's more or less the same but with an actual personality to dislike. "Oh, but it was a sub-section to keep small topics in and there was SOOO MUCH CLUTTERRRRRRR BEFORE IT and it was such a good idea and stuffz, and now it's so pointless because there's no useful threads in there so lets get rid of it. You see this colored name? it means we're intelligent" Oh well geeze, I didn't know that, thanks for informing me. But it sounds familiar. I wish I knew why though

I will always maintain that Chit Chat was a bad idea because it was made purely for threads too sub-par to go into the main Eminem section, which just encourages stupid people. Sac was the main reason Chit Chat was made. And the coloured name jibe, i'm not sure what you're getting at, but that includes me. So..

there were still trolls who tried to bait everyone into attacking them

There's a difference between baiting people for humour and just being an unfunny, stupid dick.

And Lol@ anyone on this site saying we can never have decent discussion. You guys are just like the naive 14 year old, acne ridden amateur who thinks he has any right to say Hip Hop is dead because he read that Nas is GOAT in a couple Youtube comments. There is ALWAYS atleast decent debate in the hip hop section thanks to the likes of FreeSpeech, MC, dead prez, stillmatic and class, stop being a fucking bitch and actually participate

What I have to say to that is that some people may just want to come here for a laugh or an entertaining discussion, not neccessarily to have an in-depth debate where their opinion is critiqued to shreds. It's very draining to post in nothing but those threads.

instead of crying "No! It's all trolling! This forum is dead! It's pointless to try!".

Imo you are wrong for saying this and are merely exaggerating what you think people have said, as from what i've seen nobody has suggested anything in the Hip Hop Domain is trolling. Sure there's Class being an arsehole but that's not trolling.

New members and trends come along, you just sit back, watch them play out, while either laughing or complaining that they're "stupid" because you're the older brother. That's what you do.

You're right about the forum has never been perfect, I mean we've had the fair share of idiots through the years even as far back as the very beginning with Coccoa. But if posting hundreds of fucking pictures of Lil Wayne's head photoshopped onto them is considered "the new trend" then i'm not sure I want to be around to see that shit much longer and then be called someone who just sits and complains.

But even though there are a few filler posts from by-standards who are just observing the action, that doesn't stop anyone from continuing the main discussion, and the people who are committing these "Crimes" were probably never going to be part of the debate anyways.

Like I say, I rarely see this shit happen in threads with actual debates in them, so I have no idea where all this has come from.

I get that people are romanticising the past, because it's not like TR has ever been perfect. But I dunno...Sac was the biggest idiot i've ever seen on this forum, perhaps the whole Internet, but most of the forum was united against him. There's more of a shift this time around as more and more people join in the "trolling", whereas before it was mainly "god just look at this fucking idiot". And we managed to actually troll Sac pretty damn hard, with the whole "$1000" thing. We didn't just post a picture of Lil Wayne's fucking head at him and say "LOLOLOLOL U BEEN TROLLED"

And I know some cunt will come in here and be like "you're doing the same thing with the pony stuff" - to them I say a hearty fuck you, cause it aint the same.

[Hiphopdane]

I've tried to make some good threads but it's so damn annoying when your posts drown in pointless one liners from everyone. Some members post news all the time without adding something to them as if people don't have access to Rapradar and hiphopdx

Has anyone in this thread ever tried mentioning an Eminem album in the hip hop domain? The key to ruining every good thread.

I don't understand why some people are even here? I'm here to get to know some new music and learn something from other members. Most of the users, who frequently post in the Eminem domain, only seem to care about defending Eminem's honour when someone questions the quality of his music (which they usually do by saying "fuck off, haters" or something like that). Do those people even care the slightest about hip hop in general?

There should be one rule: Contribute or get banned.

[Satire]

Fun.

It's not trolling, but what it is is people thinking they're being funny when they really really aren't, which is what a lot of people on here basically think trolling is now. So technically it all equates to the same thing.

Alot of actions people take on internet forums are just cries for attention, which is what you can view "trolling" as in retrospective, but that doesn't mean you should label them "trolling". An idiotic try hard is different from a troll, they just happen to share similar qualities.

I will always maintain that Chit Chat was a bad idea because it was made purely for threads too sub-par to go into the main Eminem section, which just encourages stupid people

So you agree? That's nice.

There's a difference between baiting people for humour and just being an unfunny, stupid dick.

Just like there's a difference between being an idiotic try hard and a troll, but oh wait, in the end "technically it all equates to the same thing". My point is everybody is acting like being an attention whore or a troll is suddenly some new thing that was introduced to the forum after Chit-Chat and suddenly we all "ruined the forum", when in reality the only thing different now is that Chit-Chat has slightly more stupid threads in it (But EVEN THOSE are dying down now), and people are posting more pics. What you basically said in your entire rebuttal post is that "You're right, it's not trolling, you're right, chit chat is useless, the new wave of pics is stupid", so I don't get why you even bothered replying with such a long ass post when for the most part you're agreeing.

What I have to say to that is that some people may just want to come here for a laugh or an entertaining discussion, not neccessarily to have an in-depth debate where their opinion is critiqued to shreds. It's very draining to post in nothing but those threads.

You're acting like I'm saying the only good members are huge hip hop heads. I was disputing the claim that there's never any decent discussion on the forum, when there clearly is.

Imo you are wrong for saying this and are merely exaggerating what you think people have said, as from what i've seen nobody has suggested anything in the Hip Hop Domain is trolling. Sure there's Class being an arsehole but that's not trolling.

Lmfao then your opinion is wrong. How am I exaggerating? It was against the mind-state that was held in this very thread and anyone who shares similar thoughts. It was a response to THEIR exaggeration. And if people consider posting Wayne's pic trolling, then yes, I guarantee that their perception of the Hip Hop Domain is the same as any place else they believe is "tasteless trolling".

I only browse these days, looking hard for decent threads to participate in, can't be bothered to post much because of all the bullshit that happens on this forum. Most threads just aren't worth responding to.

or

Now 95% of threads are all fucking "trolls"

You're right

Don't worry, I know.

If posting hundreds of fucking pictures of Lil Wayne's head photoshopped onto them is considered "the new trend" then i'm not sure I want to be around to see that shit much longer and then be called someone who just sits and complains.

I'm not even going to mention Ponies because I also helped start up that. I agree that the Wayne pics were never funny at all.

Like I say, I rarely see this shit happen in threads with actual debates in them, so I have no idea where all this has come from.

What? You never see people make filler posts and post unfunny pics in the middle of debates? Are you serious?

I get that people are romanticising the past, because it's not like TR has ever been perfect.

So once again, you agree.

But I dunno...Sac was the biggest idiot i've ever seen on this forum, perhaps the whole Internet, but most of the forum was united against him. There's more of a shift this time around as more and more people join in the "trolling", whereas before it was mainly "god just look at this fucking idiot". And we managed to actually troll Sac pretty damn hard, with the whole "$1000" thing.

We still have village idiots. Now, we have village idiots, and Jesters who don't do their job properly.

We didn't just post a picture of Lil Wayne's fucking head at him and say "LOLOLOLOL U BEEN TROLLED"

No one does that. I hardly even consider Wayne's annoying fucking face a "trend" considering it's, for the most part, an inside joke between the 3 people who constantly do it.

And I know some cunt will come in here and be like "you're doing the same thing with the pony stuff" - to them I say a hearty fuck you, cause it aint the same.

I already addressed this.

[Kez]

Alot of actions people take on internet forums are just cries for attention, which is what you can view "trolling" as in retrospective, but that doesn't mean you should label them "trolling". An idiotic try hard is different from a troll, they just happen to share similar qualities.

Yes I agree, but i'm saying THEY think they are trolling, not being an idiotic try hard. That's my point.

Just like there's a difference between being an idiotic try hard and a troll, but oh wait, in the end "technically it all equates to the same thing".

I didn't fucking say that and you know it, quit twistin my words

My point is everybody is acting like being an attention whore or a troll is suddenly some new thing that was introduced to the forum after Chit-Chat and suddenly we all "ruined the forum"

This would be unfair, obviously we can't blame you for "ruining the forum" just because people copied you. It's the same way as people can't claim PK ruined the forum cause people started going on about Lil B everywhere once he did, or like you can't blame me for starting picture posting just because lots of people started copying me.

You're acting like I'm saying the only good members are huge hip hop heads. I was disputing the claim that there's never any decent discussion on the forum, when there clearly is.

No but you did say "there is always decent debate in the hip hop section", and my only point was that some people might not want to spend all their time in there because it gets very ruthless and long. I know decent discussion still goes on.

What? You never see people make filler posts and post unfunny pics in the middle of debates? Are you serious?

I suppose it depends on your definition of the word "debate". Any thread i've been in where people actually start debating seriously, I can't really recall seeing this kind of spam shit. But that's just me, I am not an all-powerful being who can sense every thread on here lol.

So you agree? That's nice.

What you basically said in your entire rebuttal post is that "You're right, it's not trolling, you're right, chit chat is useless, the new wave of pics is stupid", so I don't get why you even bothered replying with such a long ass post when for the most part you're agreeing.

Lol sorry man to be honest i'm fucking tired, your post was long as shit and I dunno. Not really on my game. But yes, I do agree with that. Just not all of it.

[DƎRDYPK]

It's the same way as people can't claim PK ruined the forum cause people started going on about Lil B everywhere once he did,

maybe if I rhyme BOOTY with CUTIE & BEAUTY...
I CAN GET A HIT RECORD ON MY ITUNES STUFF
BUT I CAN'T HELP THE FACT THAT MY MIND SCREWED UP

[Satire]

Yes I agree, but i'm saying THEY think they are trolling, not being an idiotic try hard. That's my point.

Okay, lets go ask any of the Wayne Pic posters if they think they're trolling.

Oh wait, they don't.

I didn't fucking say that and you know it, quit twistin my words

That wasn't twisting your words, thats using your statement for sarcasm...

This would be unfair, obviously we can't blame you for "ruining the forum" just because people copied you. It's the same way as people can't claim PK ruined the forum cause people started going on about Lil B everywhere once he did, or like you can't blame me for starting picture posting just because lots of people started copying me.

I'm not saying anyone is blaming me. Everyone loves me, I'm their god. I'm saying that it's hardly as significant of a change as everyone is making it out to be. We didn't go from some amazing hip hop forum to a complete shit hole because of Chit-Chat, it's because we've always sucked. Now we just have an extra section that also sucks.

No but you did say "there is always decent debate in the hip hop section", and my only point was that some people might not want to spend all their time in there because it gets very ruthless and long. I know decent discussion still goes on.

Okay, I'll broaden my statement: ALL of the sections except Chit-Chat, which was for pointless topics in the first place, are in fine condition other than the occasional joke thread or idiots who think they're being controversial, but those are few in between and they're usually by contributing members anyways, so it'll die down eventually.

I suppose it depends on your definition of the word "debate". Any thread i've been in where people actually start debating seriously, I can't really recall seeing this kind of spam shit. But that's just me, I am not an all-powerful being who can sense every thread on here lol.

Well yeah, take my word for it because I am.

Lol sorry man to be honest i'm fucking tired, your post was long as shit and I dunno. Not really on my game. But yes, I do agree with that. Just not all of it.

But you agree with the bulk of it, which goes back to my point that this argument is pointless.

[Kez]

Okay, lets go ask any of the Wayne Pic posters if they think they're trolling.

Oh wait, they don't.[/quote

If it was just about the Wayne Pic you think anyone would care? lol

I'm not saying anyone is blaming me. Everyone loves me, I'm their god. I'm saying that it's hardly as significant of a change as everyone is making it out to be. We didn't go from some amazing hip hop forum to a complete shit hole because of Chit-Chat, it's because we've always sucked. Now we just have an extra section that also sucks.

Okay, I'll broaden my statement: ALL of the sections except Chit-Chat, which was for pointless topics in the first place, are in fine condition other than the occasional joke thread or idiots who think they're being controversial, but those are few in between and they're usually by contributing members anyways, so it'll die down eventually.

Yeah I honestly have nothing to really say to this, I agree.

[Satire]

If it was just about the Wayne Pic you think anyone would care? lol.

If it isn't about the Wayne pics then what is it about?

TBH's?

Other idiotic pictures?

The Chit-Chat trend that I killed off 3 weeks ago?

Cokebottle? (Who isn't trolling, he's just the aforementioned village idiot)

The only real person who thought he was trolling on this site was Mahmoud, who, like so many other things in this quote battle, I already addressed in my original post.