Fuck people.

[Mr. Chambers]

cage did eminem's style before eminem, but how did that end?

cage is getting KO'd by copywrite, while eminem, well, couldn't be touched unless you sniped him.

[dead prez]

So do you concede to the point that they weren't pioneers or trendsetter in any way? I wasn't arguing quality or whether they did it the best, although I already made points as to why I don't think they were the best in what they were reknowned for and that others already did what they widely lauded for with more tact.

[Mr. Chambers]

i'm just saying, that somehow they were more appealing to the general mainstream audience. not all legends are "trendsetters" or "pioneers". they can just execute their idea better.....

[dead prez]

Big L was no more appealing to the mainstream than just about any of the artists I listed and was definitely not more successful than any of them and was in the same predicament that several DITC members were in while he was still alive, only once he died did he really start to garner this cult status which can be directly attributed to his untimely death.

Pun was successful while he was alive, you're right and definitely had mainstream appeal, though I honestly believe he'd be lead by Fat Joe today who'd be pulling the strings while piggybacking off the success of The South, his later album pretty much showed he was falling off horribly.

Big was actually kind of similar to Pun in that he was being lead by Puffy who had too much of a hand in crafting LAD which robbed the album of it's full potential and filled it to the brim with filler and awful Jiggy tracks, if there was more direction in the album he could have made it better than R2D seeing as how Big was progressing as an mc. Whereas Pun was in a downwards incline and Big L pretty much remained stagnant.

[Mr. Chambers]

^so in otherwords, they were both suffering from a case of "canibus"itis?

sorry that's irrelevant. well i see where you're coming. i just don't 100% agree with what you're saying, cuz i do believe they are a piece of the puzzle, even tho a small piece.

we could argue over this, but thats what makes it a hard point to discuss becuz different people define what would earn a "legendary" status.

[dead prez]

In what way, in the fact that Wyclef had a hand in destroying Canibus' attempt at going mainstream by giving him beats that don't synergize with his style? Or in the fact that they all would have fell off?

[classthe_king]

Tupac would have ended up like Snoop and Biggie would have ended up like Method Man or any other random Wu-Tang Member.

[EyeQ200]

This exact same thing happened to my friend who killed himself back in february, he was bullied by most of the people who were posting condolences and crying.. I never signed up to any facebook page or gave any outward respect other than going to the funeral, it was absolutely disgraceful.