Fuck people.

[Block]

Last week there was a huge gas explosion in the town where I used to live. There were two people home at the time who didn't make it out alive. Alright, pay your respects and move on, right? (Unless you're the family, of course, then it becomes a little more of a sticky situation than that).. But no. People can't fucking do that. This is what pisses me off about us as a society, or even us as humans, in general.

All of a sudden these people who, for all intents and purposes, had very little to no friends in life, have a fan club of 300+ people on facebook. WHAT THE FUCK? I see posts saying, "R.I.P. You were amazing people and amazing friends. We will miss you so much!" (now keep in mind that I know at least 50% of the people posting here, and I went to school a few classes ahead of the kids who died) from people who have NEVER associated with these two, ever. But now, since they're dead, it's such a tragedy? Fuck you, you god damn hypocrites.

I understand paying your respects. Any death is tragic (unless it's Macdaddy or any other nameless, dick scab of a poster on the internet who feels some false sense of entitlement) but when is enough, enough? People very rarely know when to draw the line. It gets to the point where it becomes disrespectful to those who have died. Not only is it a disrespect, and an obvious Lello--jumping on the bandwagon--but it's fucking selfish. If we break down the reasoning behind why someone would feel compelled to show such a false sense of emotion, we ultimately come to the conclusion that they're trying to be noticed. Really? You're using someone else's death--and a familie's grief--as a means to get noticed and say, "hey look at me!! I'm so sympathetic!! NOTICE ME, NOTICE ME!! EVEN THOUGH I NEVER TALKED TO YOU AND WE PICKED ON YOU IN HIGH SCHOOL AND MADE YOUR LIFE MISERABLE, I'M REALLY SORRY YOU'RE DEAD!!" These fucking vultures have to steal the spot-light from a fucking corpse. This brings a whole new meaning to the term 'over my dead body'. It disgusts me. It's the same mentality that drives our society. We're fucked.
If I were to die today, I wouldn't want some jackass whom I never knew, posting some shit about my life and how amazing I was. Fuck you. You self-important, pretentious piece of shit. Go get laid and stop crying about someone you've never met.

This also ties in with the hip hop culture. Artists like Pac, Biggie, Pun, Big L, etc.. All considered 'legends'. What do they all have in common? They're DEAD. I hate to break it to you, but none of them made legendary music. People shove their rectums down on said artists rotten, decaying cocks, because of the fact they aren't here any longer. Let's face some facts: Pac most likely would've wound up being sent to prison for life, due to some form of sexual assault. Biggie would have O.D.ed or had a heart attack/stroke. Big L would have eaten himself to death and died of diabetes or something similar. Big L, well, his death was probably on point. Haha.

The point is, though, none of them are legedary for anything. There are artists around today who have done MUCH more than any of those 4, yet they don't get the recognition that those 4 recieve. It's bullshit. I'm not sure what our society's fascination with the departed is, but it's fucking creepy and annoying.

In most cultures, post-mortem dick riding is considered taboo and severely illegal. We make it an every day event. Go us.

[dead prez]

Hah, you're right. Similar event happened a while back in my junior in High School when some guy from a rival school died in a carcrash, and before you know it everyone was on that dude's jock trying to say they were best friends with him or knew him, probably to feel like a big shot. Everyone joined his facebook page saying how they don't know the kid, but "RIP" or "My mo was friends with your mom", etc. I too have no problem with people sending out condoloences and paying respect to the deceased but to act like you were best friends with the person, just because they died really irks me for some reason.

And yeah Hip Hop is known for sacred cowing the shit out of the dead, it's really sickening. Although I like all those mcees you listed and even used to have some of them on my top ten, but seriously those guys suffered severely from death hype. Personally I think Big L suffered it the most, especially when the dude had one album which wasn't even warmly received when he was alive, yet once he died it became a Hip Hop classic, hell when he was alive he had no more time in the spotlight than fellow DITC members, who imo some made better music than him, but won't ever get any proper credit.

Big Pun's hype also annoys me, dude was one dimensional as fuck and was really only reknowned for his intricate rhyme schemes but does nothing innovative or interesting and has terrible storytelling skills coupled with his marble mouth which makes his enunciation hard to make out, and just rode on the jiggy bandwagon to the grave. Add his shitty second album, even though he was supposedly 700 pounds on it (like I'm supposed to be sympathetic to that) and you get delusional people claiming that he was the savior of NY Hip Hop.

Pac and Big however I believe were getting better as mcees near their death, so I could understand some of the unwarranted death hype that they may have, but it really is blow out of proportion. I do believe that they did however drop some really great material while alive, but wouldn't have been able to keep up with the consistant quality throughout the remainder of their career.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

my view on this matter is kinda split,yes i fully agree that when a person dies,he is considered a good person by most eventhough when he was alive,he was an asshole or just a bad person.

but why are you so uptight about these 4 rappers being considered great,big pun,biggie and big l made marvelous timeless music(to some),not to me,though i enjoy pun's first album and big l's LODPAD,and i consider biggie's first album a classic,no denying the fact that they did get appreciated more after they died but still,they paid dues to hip hop,they built a voice,they had they impact,it is not their fault they died.

but still,human beings are hypocrites,its how they are,its just natural.

[Mr. Chambers]

How can you talk about legendary music and say ppl like big l and pun ain't make any? .......





Just curious.

[Chet Starr]

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Popped in my head when I saw the title

[macdaddy019967]

shut the fuck up block
quit fucking crying, pussy

[Master Chief]

shut the fuck up block
quit fucking crying, pussy

3 cuss words in a grammatically-flawed 9 word sentence.

That's how you know he's mad.

[macdaddy019967]

shut the fuck up block
quit fucking crying, pussy

3 cuss words in a grammatically-flawed 9 word sentence.

That's how you know he's mad.

i love it when irrelevant ass posters quote me

[Master Chief]

i love it when irrelevant ass posters quote me

I have 3k+ posts and I've been on TR for 7 months.

Just because I rather stay away from a greasy, awkward Mexican alien doesn't mean I'm irrelevant, now does it?

[Block]

How can you talk about legendary music and say ppl like big l and pun ain't make any? .......

Just curious.

Because they didn't. I'm not sure what other kind of explanation you're looking for... Diction already made great points about both of these artists in his only post in this thread. I suggest you read it.

Pac and Big, on the other hand, at least have some leg room to stand on in the legendary debate. I don't personally consider either of them legendary. Martyrs? Yes. Legends in the sense that they were killed BECAUSE of hip hop and what they had said in their music? Possibly. Legends for their music alone? No.

To name just one artist who has had a career that has far out-lived either of those four, with a more extensive body of work (even in the 90's), and still gets looked over to this day, would be DMX. That's just one. There are a few, actually.

shut the fuck up block
quit fucking crying, pussy

Where's DA? This kid is mad.

Thanks for the proof that you read my threads, Mac. I listed your name in the middle specifically. Hahaha.

[dead prez]

Personally I think J Dilla and Nujabes deserve more death hype, but they're producers so they'll never get as much hype as the mcees.

Still Dilla was highly influential and I don't think some people realize it, and just like to write him off as another case of dead musician getting unwarranted praise, but he's quite possibly the most influential producer of the last twenty years and gave Detroit a signature sound. He paved the way for guys like Black Milk, and was the missing link in the sound of classic alternative to modern neo soul.

Nujabes was sort of a one trick pony, but he did release some great material, I just wish he had better mcs on his beats, some of them don't really mesh well with his sound, and tend to get lost in the production.

[Mr. Chambers]

How can you talk about legendary music and say ppl like big l and pun ain't make any? .......

Just curious.

Because they didn't. I'm not sure what other kind of explanation you're looking for... Diction already made great points about both of these artists in his only post in this thread. I suggest you read it.

Pac and Big, on the other hand, at least have some leg room to stand on in the legendary debate. I don't personally consider either of them legendary. Martyrs? Yes. Legends in the sense that they were killed BECAUSE of hip hop and what they had said in their music? Possibly. Legends for their music alone? No.

To name just one artist who has had a career that has far out-lived either of those four, with a more extensive body of work (even in the 90's), and still gets looked over to this day, would be DMX. That's just one. There are a few, actually.

shut the fuck up block
quit fucking crying, pussy

Where's DA? This kid is mad.

Thanks for the proof that you read my threads, Mac. I listed your name in the middle specifically. Hahaha.

i gotta say i thought tupac bar a few songs (at least from what i actually listened too) is very untalented tbh. biggie was pretty dope tho.

but back on topic. neither one was a well-rounded mc (get the pun (get that pun?)), but they were top of their class at their specific skill. big l being a punchline/metaphor style mc, paved the way for all those street savvy rappers. big pun, well obviously for his flow and rhyme schemes. and even tho both had flaws in their style, both were unique and were very good at what they were renounced for.
but the problem was, pac and big got BIGGER after death. pun and big l were kind of at the same respect level before and after death. pac and big also got a larger body of work, where as big l and big pun both got cut down too short to tell if they were going to advance skill wise and musically.

i guess what im saying is, they were both legends in their own right. if tupac and biggie didn't die becuz of the beef, they would both be obsolete and thats pretty obvious. but same could be said about pun and big l.......i just think pun was a legend due to his creativity with flow, and big l was a legend for his creativity with punchlines. just my opinion broski

[dead prez]

Big l's punchlines are outdated, nor did he say anything profound in it in terms of wordplay. He had some clever lines, but nothing that really went over your head, (although you could make the case that he wasn't trying to), his punchlines are reknowned for the way he delivered them. He also had a pretty decent rhyme scheme especially for the time, but that's it really. You need more than that to be legendary, and his album(s) lacked direction and were just one note performances with so-so beats, add in the fact that he couldn't do much other than make freestyle songs.

Big Pun blatantly bit Kool G Rap's style, who was far superior to him and more entertaining btw, he said nothing new or profound in his music and just rode the jiggy bandwagon to the grave.

If you really want to hand someone the template for setting the standard of multi syllabic internal rhyming when most still had relatively simplistic flows at the time, than that goes to Nas in illmatic. Who was able to combine being clear and cadence with intricate schemes and wordplay without sacrificing one or the other.

In short if you might want to thank Kool G Rap instead of Pun for the "creative flow", and Lord Finesse for the "creative punchlines". Both severely underrated and are arguably better than said mcees.

Pac and Big would not have been obsolete, what the hell? Fell off probably but definitely not obselete.

[Mr. Chambers]

meh you make a good point with lord finesse and KGR, but it wasn't really about them cuz both of them are def legends, but i also think pun and L are something like legends becuz they are still talked about today, and often used as a standard. even if you don't agree with their music, in the end, that is partly what makes a legend, well actually mostly. along with skill being respected and being the "standard" for others to compare and be compared too.

and yes....i still think biggie would be in someone like mase's position and pac would....well not even be talked about. just my opinion tho.

[dead prez]

Well I'm not going to argue with people putting them on a pedestal and act like the sun shines out of both their asses, because it's true. Nor will I argue the quality of their music because I said my piece and obviously you don't agree with me, what I don't agree with is them being trendsetter or pioneers in any aspect as just about everything they did was done before them albeit better.

The lyrical styling of their albums were done by Nas/Big Daddy Kane/G Rap/Lord Finesse before them.

The concepts were done by G Rap/Scarface/and The Jungle Brothers before.

The production was done by everybody and their mothers before.