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The EmBase appreciation thread.

Postby Blu » Oct 28th, '11, 02:02

The guys' posts are INCREDIBLE. He puts SO MUCH EFFORT into EVERYTHING he writes.

I swear, I haven't seen a single post of his that was less than a paragraph.

So, in order to appreciate one of the best members on TR, why don't you post some of your favorite posts by him?

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On The Slim Shady LP, he was indulging in character and attitude. He does this on all his albums but he was specifically indulging in Shady - a metaphor for evil, with twisted humour. Again, he always has twisted humour, he just has everything in different dosages each time round.

The Marshall Mathers LP is unique from any of his albums as it was made as a reaction to misunderstanding and designed to provoke and push free-speech to its absolute limit. He tries to provoke people, and make people laugh and think and be emotionally affecting always, but this album was on steroids as he was reacting to a major-scale misrepresentation.

The Eminem Show is him acknowledging his new found position as a global icon, his worldwide fame and status, the hypocrisy of the politics that affect him or inspire backlash and trying to be taken more seriously as an actual musician (hence producing it).

Encore was a tired, bored Eminem lacking in creativity and direction and trying to tie up the loose ends of The Eminem Show and the last two years in-between these albums, covering anything he didn't talk about and make it presumably all a little more laid back (hence the flows of such songs like "Yellow Brick Road" - I don't believe this is just from drugs) to make it sound different to The Eminem Show (shouting, rock inspired). Which is probably also why he felt the need to be a little more sporadic and silly again as he was so serious on The Eminem Show.

Relapse is comparable to The Slim Shady LP in the sense that he's losing himself in character. I never say 'a' character as it's more of a mindset, there's no absolutely definable traits, or not enough that are consistent to call it 'a' character. As he's constantly morphing his mind around wherever the pen takes him. This album is basically just him trying to revert to shocking and provoking people, whilst totally losing himself in technique and avoiding making his personal issues the absolute driving factor to his music. But people didn't like this, so he reverted back.

Recovery is him acknowledging his perceived failures, admitting his weaknesses and downfalls, announcing his success in overcoming them (hence, recovery) and declaring his new found passion and focus. As well as re-asserting his dominance. Which is why the title is fairly genius, given the fact it totally encapsulates his mainstream dominance of 2010 in that he recovered in a personal sense, in the public eye and it also nods to the recovery of Detroit and the economy as a whole (thanks to the General Motors metaphor). That title and some of the concepts on Recovery is the only real hope for me that he is progressing. The relevance of that word to his life, the tone of the album and the timing of it is pretty brilliant.

As HE changes, his MUSIC changes. If his life is changing, then of course his work will too, as he is a true artist who puts his life into his work. His work is his life. If he is depressed and angry, his music and content is likely to be that too. Not to mention his growth from age and experience.

So you cannot expect him to be the same or even similar in 2002 to how he was in 1999. As I said, the underlying aspects to his personality are all still there, always. He didn't lose any of that on The Eminem Show at all, and the subject-matter is not watered down or mainstream. He just presented it differently and evolved as an artist and a musician. He was still sarcastic, clever, political, provocative, catchy, angry and humorous. As always.

He's not the same on The Slim Shady LP as he is on The Eminem Show because it's a different album, a different chapter of his life and he had different artistic intentions. The Slim Shady LP was an exhibition of skill, a testament to his writing ability and storytelling (hence the concepts) and creativity. This is because it was his introduction to the world. And he had been broke and failing most of his life, so of course this album is going to be as creative and driven as he can possibly make it. He was trying to show people how original he could be.

The Marshall Mathers LP is more similar to The Slim Shady LP than The Eminem Show is not only because only one year had passed between the first two, and FOUR had passed between SSLP and TES but also because he had done an extra album of evolution in-between. He was experimenting with new styles and ideas, as he always does. If he sounded similar to his first album, on his THIRD album - he wouldn't be a very good artist.

A GREAT artist should always want to evolve and get better at what they do, whilst continuously pushing themselves to think outside the box or do something new.

The Marshall Mathers LP was an extension of SSLP in the sense that it was a reaction to it and is therefore inherently a sort of, sister album to it. Hence the reason you have "Kim" - a prequel / sister track to "97 Bonnie and Clyde" on it. This implies the album is a unofficial sequel because the actual killing of Kim is evidently more extreme and vivid than driving her to the lake to dump the body. So it would make sense to save the more extreme scenario for the sequel.

After he had provoked society to the absolute extreme with MMLP, where did he have to go with that concept? the provocation wasn't arbitrary - it was to promote and encapsulate free-speech, push the envelope of the genre and execution and to entertain those of us who get it.

The Eminem Show is Eminem AFTER he's done this. So why would he repeat the same concept for an album? he's mirroring his life through his art, and after the controversy of The Marshall Mathers LP, his life had become like a show, a freak show and a television special. It was a whole other level. So it makes sense that the following album would also be surrounding the after-effects of his prior work, his new found fame, his new issues and his elevated status.

Eminem singing an ode to his daughter on TES shows growth and maturity because where as on SSLP he only felt comfortable expressing his love for his daughter through a twisted storytelling track in which he also expressed his hatred for his wife (overlapping a positive emotion with a negative one to cover the cracks of male insecurity), he now felt mature and adult, and open enough to do it with no pretence, cover or concept.

"97 Bonnie and Clyde" is better art to me, in the sense that its execution and idea is ingenious. And I like a dark edge to concepts, and ideas. And the fact he made it real-time and managed to make it genuinely funny and entertaining is amazing.

But "Hailie's Song" is a genuine display of affection, which shows his self-confidence and comfort with expression had risen. He was older and wiser, and he was showing it. Any attempt to deny his growth as a person, through his art... would be pretentious. He would be a worse artist by doing that as he would be lying to himself for the sake of his fans, or people's perceptions. And an artist shouldn't lie to themselves, they should only ever make art for themselves.

He also makes his albums in pairs (SSLP + MMLP / TES + ENCORE / RELAPSE + RECOVERY) hence the reason they're more closely related in subject-matter and themes, in twos. His first two were dissecting his persona and using character play to elevate humour and creativity. His next two (TES + ENCORE) were discussing his life issues as a result of his new fame and wealth. But you still have elements of SSLP + MMLP in TES + ENCORE and you still have elements of TES + ENCORE in SSLP + MMLP. You have elements of all within all. As it's the same guy making them.

Relapse dealt with the depths of depravity and boredom his mind may have / could sink to whilst totally lost within drugs and despair, due to his personal collapse after Encore and the death of Proof. Recovery dealt with overcoming this addiction and getting back on top personally and professionally. Hence why it comes AFTER the despair and coincides with success.

Regardless of quality, his albums flow absolutely perfectly and even his discography tells a story. As he's always trying to represent his mindset in whatever state he's in. Even on Relapse where you may think it's pointless or aimless shock, he's overly obsessive and detailed which represents where he was at coming out of writer's block, haven 'woken up' so to speak from his addictive state where he was low, depressed and slow. Which is also why he probably sounds so gleeful in the psychopathy, as he was expressing ideas with clarity and felt comfortable to play with darkness in a totally unapologetic way, for the purpose of exercising his talent again.

















































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Re: The EmBase appreciation thread.

Postby DƎRDYPK » Oct 28th, '11, 02:12

tl;dr
but here's a classic


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Re: The EmBase appreciation thread.

Postby iain08 » Oct 28th, '11, 06:12

DƎRDYPK wrote:tl;dr
but here's a classic


EminemBase wrote:See how nerdy I am when I kick your fucking teeth in you piece of shit.

Hahaha that's been my sig for so long. I always laugh when I read it.
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Re: The EmBase appreciation thread.

Postby xRas » Oct 29th, '11, 16:44

EmBase is a loser
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Re: The EmBase appreciation thread.

Postby xRas » Oct 29th, '11, 16:52

GameTheory wrote:
Xray wrote:I'll fuck your mother while I'm swinging at her while I'm on a swing and and bust a 360 on her manly bisceps. Your real father was so much of a faggot, he went to jail by choice and opened up a new soap company. Your grandfather got bashed so much as a kid, his first child's first tooth was chipped. Your grandmother needs buckets to hold her breast while she's walking, saggy bitch looked like a walking scale. You third eyed motherfucker.


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Re: The EmBase appreciation thread.

Postby AbramIsaac » Oct 29th, '11, 17:51

EminemBase is easily one of the most important members on this forum, period.

I'm not hounding anyone for having differences with him or not liking him; the guy can be a polarizing figure. He's from the UK, right? All of those guys sprinkle phrases like "fucking twat" in the things they say. Joking, but he can come off abrasive from time to time, so you tend to either like him a lot, or hate him.

I think he provides needed balance to this forum. We need some one to post in depth critique of whatever subject is being discussed. Even if you don't agree with him, you can't deny the fact that he provokes in-depth counter discussion that is meant to disprove him--without his original post, that detailed of an account would not have been made.

There are other members that provide the balance he does, in their own way. Chances are, though, that they aren't as prolific and passionate about the points they are making.
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Re: The EmBase appreciation thread.

Postby Sam. » Oct 29th, '11, 18:22

The best thing about him is he gets his point across convincingly.
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Re: The EmBase appreciation thread.

Postby _Hawk_ » Oct 29th, '11, 19:19

Are you lot bent? (British humour :wave: )
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Re: The EmBase appreciation thread.

Postby xRas » Oct 29th, '11, 19:52

_Hawk_ wrote:Are you lot bent? (British humour :wave: )
Yeah, wanna bum?
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Re: The EmBase appreciation thread.

Postby momentsgolden » Oct 29th, '11, 20:35

xRas wrote:
GameTheory wrote:
Xray wrote:I'll fuck your mother while I'm swinging at her while I'm on a swing and and bust a 360 on her manly bisceps. Your real father was so much of a faggot, he went to jail by choice and opened up a new soap company. Your grandfather got bashed so much as a kid, his first child's first tooth was chipped. Your grandmother needs buckets to hold her breast while she's walking, saggy bitch looked like a walking scale. You third eyed motherfucker.


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Re: The EmBase appreciation thread.

Postby Blu » Oct 29th, '11, 20:38

GameTheory wrote:
Xray wrote:I'll fuck your mother while I'm swinging at her while I'm on a swing and and bust a 360 on her manly bisceps. Your real father was so much of a faggot, he went to jail by choice and opened up a new soap company. Your grandfather got bashed so much as a kid, his first child's first tooth was chipped. Your grandmother needs buckets to hold her breast while she's walking, saggy bitch looked like a walking scale. You third eyed motherfucker.


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+1342104290058291 for EmBase. :laughing: :laughing:
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Re: The EmBase appreciation thread.

Postby Chet Starr » Oct 29th, '11, 21:04

I'm agreeing with Sajjad, embase is great when he gets sand in his vagina
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Re: The EmBase appreciation thread.

Postby _Hawk_ » Oct 29th, '11, 21:20

xRas wrote:
_Hawk_ wrote:Are you lot bent? (British humour :wave: )
Yeah, wanna bum?


I don't like sand in my vagina :shakehead:






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Re: The EmBase appreciation thread.

Postby macdaddy019967 » Oct 29th, '11, 21:22

Embase for admin

Embase is a genius and deserves to run this forum
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Re: The EmBase appreciation thread.

Postby _Hawk_ » Oct 29th, '11, 21:43

Jokes aside, I agree; that chap is tireless.
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