Em had to tone-down Encore...

[EminemBase]

Just a little thought I had about Encore.

Well, as most of you know... His albums are in pairs. You got:
The Slim Shady LP + The Marshall Mathers LP = two sides to him.
The Eminem Show + Encore = his newfound fame / life.

All the albums are themed, continuous and paired. And now of course we will have Relapse and Relapse 2. Also as many of you will know - Em purposely changes his style / sound every album to keep his momentum and always seem fresh.

I mean the first three albums... Sounds like three different rappers but they're all improvements. Amazing.

Anyway... He pretty much maxed out on The Eminem Show in terms of passion. I mean he was screaming at the top of his lungs, wrenching out every emotion and thought, I mean obviously he always holds some bars in terms of subject matter for the sake of having stuff for the next album.

But... Since Encorehad to follow The Eminem Show, it sort of makes sense thinking about it now that he would have to 'tone-down' the passion and style for it to be a true encore. I mean the encore of a show is usually like a little summation of the show, a bit of grace, a little surprise maybe but it's not supposed to be better than the main show. It just ties it up.

Now I'm not saying he purposely made a worse album, of course but he kind of had to take some of the passion out of his flows and styles in order for it to be a true encore and not seem like overkill. Because can you imagine him trying to TOP the anger / passion on The Eminem Show. It would be pretty hard and I think if he seriously tried Encore would of ended up an album packed with intense screaming and then it would of seemed odd to be called Encore.

When you think of it like that... With TES being the main show and Encore being the closing-grace, it sort of makes sense that it'd need to be more laid back, deeper, chilled, a bit experimental and just closing the loose ends... Does to me anyway.

It's almost like with Tarrantino. After he did Pulp Fiction. Most people still agree that's his best film. Even at the time it was hailed as an instant classic. Then they thought he failed with Jackie Brown. But he said he purposely went 'under' Pulp Fiction because he couldn't / didn't want to top it. It kind of feels that way with TES + Encore, it's like TES was his penultimate piece and trying to top that at that point, right after, I think would be like overkill.

I think he made the right choice coming 'under' it in that sense. He just fucked up by including some of the tracks that he did. It would of been perfect with the original tracks though. Thoughts?

[Alaine]

He just fucked up by including some of the tracks that he did. It would of been perfect with the original tracks though

I disagree. Even with the original tracks, it's still no where near 'perfect'. It would be a better album yes, but it would still be view as a waterdown version of TES, simply because as you said, they're in the same caliber & TES is just better.

[EminemBase]

Encore didn't have to follow the pattern....It's not set in stone or anything.

He just made a horrible album imo

Well no he could of done a totally different album to stand by itself.

But with the theme / idea of Encore to make the albums paired and continuous with the 'show' idea I think he definitely had to come underneath it. Trying to top the show with the encore seems a bit odd.

I don't agree it's a horrible album though. Definitely not up to his standards but when you consider the amount of hip-hop albums people brand classics often with only a handful of great tracks, there was only a selection of bad tracks on the album for me. Most worked and some were a step forward.

[shadyisland]

I think to a lot of people it's horrible because it doesn't live up to the standard that Em has set for himself, and what we expect from him. There are definately some good songs on there, but alot of garbage too. To me, it's not "horrible" simply because of the good material that is on there, scarce or not, but it certainly qualifies as his worst album.

[Dr.Lecter]

let a couple more years pass, that shit'll be illmatic

[Evan C.]

Instead of writing all that shit, there's a very simple explanation for why Encore turned out the way it did:

Drugs.

/thread

[Evan C.]

He just fucked up by including some of the tracks that he did. It would of been perfect with the original tracks though

I disagree. Even with the original tracks, it's still no where near 'perfect'. It would be a better album yes, but it would still be view as a waterdown version of TES, simply because as you said, they're in the same caliber & TES is just better.

Yeah, no shit. Perfect? It wouldn't even have been good, let alone perfect.

[EminemInsider]

It's really rather simple.

SSLP, MMLP, and TES were all great albums because Eminem had his brain functioning the way it should. He wasn't a pill zombie.

Encore was horrid because he was popping pills Paula Abdul-style and was essentially drunk all the time. His brain was clouded and his speech was slurred, affecting everything. He became a totally different person and couldn't perform his craft anymore.

Relapse was a return to form because he got sober again.

That's all it is, but your Stanness prevents you from acknowledging the obvious.

[Fa-Q]

No matter what you say or talk about EminemBase...you always make fuckin sense....you could convince this forum that when it rains....its really Gods sweaty balls dripping on earth....

[EminemBase]

Encore was horrid because he was popping pills Paula Abdul-style and was essentially drunk all the time. His brain was clouded and his speech was slurred, affecting everything. He became a totally different person and couldn't perform his craft anymore.

Relapse was a return to form because he got sober again.

That's all it is, but your Stanness prevents you from acknowledging the obvious.

Well that's only partially true about the pills. Some of Encore was done in later 03, he only started to become addicted to sleeping pills around Encore, he wasn't a full-blown addict by then and certainly not enough to affect him in as big of a way as you're implying.

Hence the breath-taking flow and lyricism of "Crazy In Love".

And it's not 'stanness' you fucking drip it's just called discussion. But your blood-infested lump of shit for a brain won't allow you to divulge in conversation PAST the obvious or provide you with the innovation to come up with better insults that the disgustingly-overused STAN, created by Eminem himself.

I mean, you're trying to insult me for being Eminem-obsessed when the very word you use to insult me is stemmed from Eminem's creation to define it you fucking moron. It really shows the lame assholes on here when they can't do anything other than use that fucking name, you have no originality.

You're the same type of turds who finish stories with the 'it was all a dream' ending. Just offensively dull and cliche'. So boring and pathetic you deserve to be pelted with cow shit. Be gone loser.

[macdaddy019967]

Encore was horrid because he was popping pills Paula Abdul-style and was essentially drunk all the time. His brain was clouded and his speech was slurred, affecting everything. He became a totally different person and couldn't perform his craft anymore.

Relapse was a return to form because he got sober again.

That's all it is, but your Stanness prevents you from acknowledging the obvious.

Well that's only partially true about the pills. Some of Encore was done in later 03, he only started to become addicted to sleeping pills around Encore, he wasn't a full-blown addict by then and certainly not enough to affect him in as big of a way as you're implying.

Hence the breath-taking flow and lyricism of "Crazy In Love".

And it's not 'stanness' you fucking drip it's just called discussion. But your blood-infested lump of shit for a brain won't allow you to divulge in conversation PAST the obvious or provide you with the innovation to come up with better insults that the disgustingly-overused STAN, created by Eminem himself.

I mean, you're trying to insult me for being Eminem-obsessed when the very word you use to insult me is stemmed from Eminem's creation to define it you fucking moron. It really shows the lame assholes on here when they can't do anything other than use that fucking name, you have no originality.

You're the same type of turds who finish stories with the 'it was all a dream' ending. Just offensively dull and cliche'. So boring and pathetic you deserve to be pelted with cow shit. Be gone loser.

eminembase i enjoy reading your posts homie they are very detailed
eminem's encore is not the greatest but definitely better than almost all of the music that artists put out today

[EminemInsider]

Well that's only partially true about the pills. Some of Encore was done in later 03, he only started to become addicted to sleeping pills around Encore, he wasn't a full-blown addict by then and certainly not enough to affect him in as big of a way as you're implying.

No, he was a full-blown addict by then. Read his interviews. He stated the drug use went from "recreational to a problem" between The Eminem Show and Encore.

Besides which, it's blatantly obvious when you watch him in interviews from back then. He became a completely different person.

Hence the breath-taking flow and lyricism of "Crazy In Love".

Breath-taking flow and lyricism of "Crazy In Love?" Were we listening to the same song?

He SINGS the freak'n verses on "Crazy In Love." What's next, are we going to talk about Beyonce's breath-taking flow on "Survivor?"

And it's not 'stanness' you fucking drip it's just called discussion. But your blood-infested lump of shit for a brain won't allow you to divulge in conversation PAST the obvious or provide you with the innovation to come up with better insults that the disgustingly-overused STAN, created by Eminem himself.

I mean, you're trying to insult me for being Eminem-obsessed when the very word you use to insult me is stemmed from Eminem's creation to define it you fucking moron. It really shows the lame assholes on here when they can't do anything other than use that fucking name, you have no originality.

Sorry, I just didn't think you were worthy of a creative insult. I find your inconceivable stupidity combined with a demeanor of pretended intelligence amusing. I have to wonder what toxic chemicals you were exposed to at a young age...you write intelligibly...yet you're so full of shit/this post is so full it'll submit/If I don't click it...

There, that better?

You're the same type of turds who finish stories with the 'it was all a dream' ending. Just offensively dull and cliche'. So boring and pathetic you deserve to be pelted with cow shit. Be gone loser.

OH OH OH...IRONY!!!

This coming from the same man who LOVES the pill zombie version of Eminem, the very embodiment of a "walking cliche."

You like Mockingbird ("One day we'll wake up and this will all just be a dream"...hmm, sounds familiar).

You like Beautiful ("I'm just so fucking depressed, I just can't seem to get out this slump/If I could just get over this hump, but I need something to pull me out this dump."..."Nobody asked for life to deal us with these bullshit cards we're dealt/We gotta take these cards ourselves and flip them, don't expect no help."..."I dreamed of being that cool kid/Even if it meant actin stupid."

You like When I'm Gone ("Daddy, where's mommy? I can't find mommy, where is she?/I don't know, go play, Hailie, baby, your daddy's busy"..."Goes in her pocket, pulls out a tiny necklace locket"..."You lied to me dad, and you made mommy sad/And I bought you this coin, it says #1 dad.")

Hypocrite.

[EminemBase]

Breath-taking flow and lyricism of "Crazy In Love?" Were we listening to the same song?

He SINGS the freak'n verses on "Crazy In Love." What's next, are we going to talk about Beyonce's breath-taking flow on "Survivor?"

No he FLOWS the verses on "Crazy In Love". "You are the ink to my paper, what my pen is to my pad, the moral the very fibre, the whole substance to my rap". Try listening again, that's a melodic flow, he's not singing.

And what a totally ridiculous comparison. It's breath-taking because of the smoothness and accuracy, also why it's not singing and nothing at all like Beyonce wtf are you on about.

Sorry, I just didn't think you were worthy of a creative insult. I find your inconceivable stupidity combined with a demeanor of pretended intelligence amusing. I have to wonder what toxic chemicals you were exposed to at a young age...you write intelligibly...yet you're so full of shit/this post is so full it'll submit/If I don't click it...

There, that better?

No that's not better. That's undeniably worse you cretin.

"I find your inconceivable stupidity combined with a demeanor of pretend intelligence amusing"

Oh really. I think maybe 'pretentious intelligence' was the phrase you needed there. If you're going to try highlight my supposed pretentious nature as well as my supposed lack of true intelligence, at least write intelligently yourself. Else it only serves to highlight your total and utter dim-witted nature.

You sound like a child who's picked up a few words here and there from the dictionary and is trying to write like an adult. Also, try to have some logic in your insults, even if they're intentionally oddball and 'out there'. I mean... Being exposed to toxic chemicals as a child... No real reasoning or justification follow-up or backing of wit. Just a vague connection to pollution and brain distortion / assumption on intelligence. Pretty crap to be honest.

OH OH OH...IRONY!!!

This coming from the same man who LOVES the pill zombie version of Eminem, the very embodiment of a "walking cliche."

Ergh, first of all - If you're going to make such bold statements, make sure you have the evidence to back it up. This post is a discussion on Encore and a theory as to why it came underneath The Eminem Show artistically.

At no point did I say I 'LOVED' the 'pill zombie version of Eminem' as you so lamely put it. What a pathetic, childish and empty attempt to jump from discussion to rock-solid conclusion of an opinion not even posed here.

My favourite Eminem era is actually... 2002 probably. So try AT LEAST knowing the opinions of a debate opponent before trying to attack them you dick head.

You like Mockingbird ("One day we'll wake up and this will all just be a dream"...hmm, sounds familiar).

You like Beautiful ("I'm just so fucking depressed, I just can't seem to get out this slump/If I could just get over this hump, but I need something to pull me out this dump."..."Nobody asked for life to deal us with these bullshit cards we're dealt/We gotta take these cards ourselves and flip them, don't expect no help."..."I dreamed of being that cool kid/Even if it meant actin stupid."

You like When I'm Gone ("Daddy, where's mommy? I can't find mommy, where is she?/I don't know, go play, Hailie, baby, your daddy's busy"..."Goes in her pocket, pulls out a tiny necklace locket"..."You lied to me dad, and you made mommy sad/And I bought you this coin, it says #1 dad.")

Hypocrite.

Again, you've made all this up in your own head. Could you just go back and get the quotes where I said I love "Mockingbird" and "Beautiful"? Sorry? You can't? Oh that's right because I NEVER you fucking idiot.

That's how shit at debating you are that you simply make up opinions as mine and state them as fact as if I stated them. Really bad, childish tactics. Well, in your case not tactics so much as... Lack of intelligence. It's born out of ignorance with you. Just making bull-headed assumptions in your little bigot baby cot, spewing puke all over your bib.

Again... "When I'm Gone"... You just introduced this yourself. Lmao. You idiot.

Also, try and learn how to emphasize true irony when it occurs better. Irony is such a beautiful thing and it's a shame when retards such as yourself try to highlight a half-witted assumption of... A vague string of irony like it's the most essential example of irony in history.

I mean... You metaphorically shouted "IRONY" from the roof-tops to open that segment when in fact what you were claiming was so ironic was the fact I insulted you for being cliche' when the 'pill zombie' Eminem is the ultimate walking cliche' and because I like that version of him, that's the be all and end all of ironical hypocrisy. Sure...

Seriously, not only did I NOT state I loved this Eminem but it's subjective to say that version of Eminem is cliche' for one, that's not fact either so lets look at what you got...
- Me 'loving' that Eminem: You made this up, I never said that.
- That Eminem being the ultimate walking cliche': A varying subjective standard, not by any means provable.

So those are the two main objectives of your huge ironical bolderization, neither of which are fact, provable or witty... So as we can see folks - A very very lame example of irony by this turd indeed.

It's worse still because trying to say liking something that IS cliche' is WORSE than being cliche' YOURSELF is totally self-defeating and moronic.And yet he screeched it so loudly from his plaque-infested cake hole.

Brush your teeth, close your mouth, shut the fuck up and get lost. You complete and utter FOOL.

[dR3]

I don't think he toned down Encore. Just like you said once, he was pressured to release another album, but was already bored, like he didn't have the 'passion and energy' anymore because of the drugs.

[LLockhart86]

For the record, encore did not suck because albums before it were amazing.

It sucked because it sucked.

If that would have been his first album, he wouldnt have been thought to be anything special