Encore was bad because of the drugs.
Now for the real reason I started this thread, to respond to EminemBase (because he quite amuses me):
Oh my goodness. No quite clearly you have no idea what a good flow is.
Lmfao "stops mid-word all over the place" - That's intentional you moron. He does that all the time even when rapping slow. He does it intentionally to get the most out of every syllable and also give the sentences rhythm so that... They don't make sense until you hear the next line.
Yes, he's doing it intentionally...TO FORCE IT TO FIT.
He never did that before. Why was he doing it on Encore?
Oh gee, I wonder. Couldn't have been that "drugs and alcohol" problem...nope, couldn't have been that.
That's what a true flow is. He uses that as a technique so that you're always hanging on the next line, waiting for the conclusion to the introductory piece. He makes the delivery as interesting and important as the flow because it's part of the art. And most don't have the skill or wherewithall to do it.
Um, no.
True flow is such that every word you say fits the beat without having to take awkward pauses and jam words together. The flow is usually evident in the writing itself, in such a way that you can read someone's lyrics and have an idea how it will sound.
And many don't have the intelligence to realize that's what he's doing and morons like you think he's running out of breath. It's an intentional part of the rhythm and delivery.
LOL, running out of breath? Who said anything about running out of breath?
You're all over the place.
No I actually just use very standard vocabulary and grammar to debate here. Most people agree or respect my points because of the logic or reasoning at hand. And they disrespect and ridicule the views of people such as yourself due to the fact you're quite clearly a total dunce.
Most, eh?
Have you polled this entire forum to gauge their opinion on the matter?
The reality is, "most" people here either shy away from you because they're teenagers whose brains aren't fully developed and who lack the advanced English comprehension skills necessary to decipher the idiocy in your posts...or they are smarter people who realize you're a full-fledged nutjob who is convinced he has bipolar disorder because he has, *GASP*, ups and downs in life...drinking, doing drugs, and gambling away his remaining funds on roulette...a game of pure chance.
Yet _I'm_ the dunce, right?
I don't try to appear more intelligent than I am at all. I just happen to be quite intelligent and naturally type as I am here, I don't over-egg it as you're suggesting I do and I'm by no means the Canibus of this board - My very defence for disliking Canibus is exactly that. That is exactly what he does. It's empty.
But that is not me. That is you. You fool nobody. And although nothing I say will penetrate the layers of shit surrounding your rotting lump of a brain - I just want to inform you... Just let you know that... I see through you. Like a telescope. People like you fool nobody.
You see through me like a telescope?
That's rather...how shall I put it?...CLICHE.
Hypocrite.
I'm not expecting that to change your way of thinking, your self-assurance, your self-confidence (or illusion of it) or anything like that. I just want to let you know. I'm fully aware of your fraudulent, pretentious, wannabe image and you fool nobody. I know you're a philistine of life. It's obvious.
I see, when you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
I went to the trouble of diagnosing you, and now you're projecting your own personal attributes onto me. Lovely.
No no - Accuracy in his flow you fool. I mean the very fact you thought that was the wrong choice of word for the concept, hence you trying to satirize the comment by talking about measurable accuracy in sports shows how limited you are.
Accuracy in DELIVERY, the pin-point and clear delivery of his words is what I'm talking about. As always, it's one of his best qualities.
If you meant "clear" delivery, you should have said that. "Accuracy" is not the right word.
There's nothing "accurate" about delivery, at least not in a way that means anything significant. You can "accurately" land each syllable on each drum beat if you want...ANYONE can do that. It's not impressive, though I'm sure you have had an orgasm over Eminem's "AMAZINGLY ACCURATE FLOW" on Like Toy Soldiers.
Trying to claim I pretend to be more intelligent through words, that's wholly ironic with you using the word "verbiage" to try and denounce me in the very same sentence lmfao. So fucking pretentious, my goodness.
The difference between you and me is as follows:
I know the meaning of every word I use. You don't.
"You're out-smarting yourself" - Haha, folks - The pretension continues. Your falsity shines through like the sun rays through my window on a blazing summer's day.
And here's cliche #2. Remember folks, this is the same guy who went off on me for being so "cliche" as to refer to his "Stanism."
Tangling yourself up in your illogic, trying to conjure up some sense of wit from a whirlwind of nonsense.
Losing yourself in your own slew of useless babble.
Filler alert.
Not that I haven't encountered similar assholes wherever I've been in life, I do the same thing I'm doing to you... I dismantle your wannabe charm, tear apart your empty lies and scorn you in disgust. Though... I almost feel sympathy for you I mean it's not your fault you're so stupid... Some of it is genetics but then again... You could at least tone down the arrogance.
I mean being an idiot is one thing but being an arrogant idiot, totally self-indulgent and self-deluded in your own bullshit is something else. You're an asshole of epic measures.
It's almost as if you've studied the way I've torn you apart and are now working to mimic my style.
But haven't they ever told you that the cover is never as good as the original?
Ah, once again you see - You've made things up, taken a few half-truths and come to a full conclusion on an opinion not stated. You continue to repeat the errors you're denounced so openly for and yet can't see how fucking stupid they are.
Please don't put words in my mouth for one. I choose my own, your words taste like shit, take them back. At no point did I rave about the "sickness" of "My 1st Single" so don't put it in quote marks as if I said that. I commended the flow and lyrics and denounced the beat and said nothing about the tone or subject matter.
Ah, I'd have to go dig up your post on rapbasement under a different handle for that one. Of course, despite the unmistakable writing style and identical opinions, you'd deny it's you if I did.
Neither did I even mention "Mockingbird" let alone praise his "maturing" - Again, quoting a word I didn't say, implying it's a direct quote of a past statement. Pure falsity of evidence. Your slew of bollocks would be thrown out in a court of law because it's all conjecture and fantasy you're making up to support your own distorted view of what you want me to think.
In a court of law, you probably wouldn't even be deemed competent to stand trial.
I praised a few tracks on the album. I didn't say it was my favourite Eminem album, I didn't praise "Mockingbird", I didn't say half the things you're saying I did - You're making these things up, I didn't say how I rated the album to his previous... So YES it is a HUGE leap of faith to say I loved the album. Abso-fucking-lutely.
Get your facts straight before you come debating me you arrogant cunt.
And I didn't say half of the things you're saying I said you said (such as Encore being your "favorite album").
And yes, you did praise Mockingbird. You admit later on in this very post that you like the track. That's "praising it," is it not?
No no. In actuality YOU ARE NOT INSIDE MY HEAD YOU STUPID FUCK. So don't go telling me what I do or do not love. Unbelievable arrogance and self-worth. Now, getting down to brass tax...
1. I DO NOT love ALL THOSE TRACKS and never said I did.
2. A long-ago PM with another member is not this argument, it's not this debate, it's not this post, it's not your business and it's not NOW isit? No. So don't try and rely on past conversations with other people as evidence for a current debate with YOU.
3. You have no idea that what Evan C said to you was what I said to him, whether he edited the PM's to make himself look better or victorious. Don't be so totally naive. We were having a debate too so use your fucking head, don't you think it's pretty likely Evan C is going to deviously shift things his way... Absolutely.
As for me being a 'fan' of "Mockingbird" and "Beautiful" - I like both tracks yes. What the FUCK does that have to do with the debate at hand. Your argument with these specific tracks is so overblown, out of wack and irrelevant it's insane. You really are a total flake.
Here's what it has to do with our discourse:
YOU: "You're the same type of turds (sic) who finish stories with the 'it was all a dream' ending. Just offensively dull and cliche'. So boring and pathetic you deserve to be pelted with cow shit. Be gone loser."
I was pointing out the hilarious irony/hypocrisy in you insulting me for my "cliche term," and suggesting that I'm the type who ends stories with "it was all a dream"...when you're a fan of such tracks as Mockingbird ("maybe one day we'll wake up and this will all just be a dreeeeeeam") and When I'm Gone ("Then I wake up, alarm clocks' ringin'/There's birds singin...").
But then you ARE a Stan, so pretty much everything your hero does is great in your eyes.
I think they're both average Eminem tracks, they have good and bad qualities about them. Are you really so fucking brain-dead that you see things in black and white? You don't just either LIKE or DISLIKE something. It's a varying degree in taste, appreciation, so many factors.
And yet you have stated that Encore would've been "PERFECT" if the bonus tracks had been on it instead of Just Lose It and Ass Like That.
And yet you're downplaying your degree of "like" for tracks you've gone on and on praising?
Some of my favourite films also have some scenes which I think are cliche' and awful film-making. But as a whole they're brilliant films. You're really making a very silly, very empty and completely ridiculous point by trying to highlight I like those tracks and they happen to have qualities about them which you deem cliche'. How utterly absurd. You have no idea how to debate well.
And do you say about those directors,
"They're the type of turds who finish their movies with the 'it was all a dream' ending. Just offensively dull and cliche'. So boring and pathetic they deserve to be pelted with cow shit. Be gone, losers"...?
And honestly, my mention of that had nothing to do with the serious debate...I just found it amusing and used it as an ad hominem...because ad hominems are fun. So there.
Oh yes, yes you did metaphorically shout irony. It's okay you don't need to put it in quote marks to imply an arrogant air of sarcasm, that's your natural state anyway so it's assumed. Lets get a couple more things very straight you bent bastard:
1. I very much do know what metaphorically means.
No you don't.
I didn't "metaphorically" shout irony. I just shouted irony. There was no metaphor involved. Period.
2. I know you never used that term yourself... What the fuck is your point. You were acting like it was a huge ironic hypocrisy of me to highlight your criminality in cliche' when I may like two songs which have qualities of cliche' about them:
- That is a totally lame and redundant point to make.
- When you're feeding back your perspective in debate, exaggeration, dissection and digression is expected. Just because you didn't use that phrase doesn't mean that can't be implied or I can't deem that an appropriate way to sum up your buffoonery.
More hypocrisy.
You whine about me "putting words in your mouth" when I talk about how you "love" Encore, yet you defend your own manipulation of what I said ("You said my contradiction in liking Eminem's cliche songs while bashing your use of a cliche term was the BE-ALL END-ALL of ironical hypocrisy!!!")
No no. It means you are using language that is cliche' and it's part of YOUR output. So yes you are indulging in cliche' behaviour by using cliche' language.
It means all that?
Does it mean all that for Eminem, too? If so, should he "be gone, turd?"
Totally different from liking something which has qualities of cliche'. I didn't create "Mockingbird" neither am I the one putting it out, it's already been made. I have no control over it.
And I totally accused you of being the one who put it out, too. Way to stay on point in this discussion...such great debate skills.
So liking it is nowhere near as bad and not similar to using cliche' language yourself. When you have a choice not to. But obviously you don't have the smarts to use anything but because you're a fool. So, it's to be expected.
Well, you've used two nauseatingly cliche sentences in this very post, so I guess you can join your own "cliche spewing" club.
Be gone turd (putting a comma before "turd" would've been too cliche, I guess).
I think you let a bit of internal dialogue to yourself slip out there.
But yes you're right... You should give up the gimmick. It's blatantly obvious you're a total idiot no matter how many times you try to slip in the odd uncommon word to imply you're above your station.
You're very much below your station. The station is controlling you. In fact I don't even think you're aware of the station or what a station is... You're a lost cause. Well not even a cause, a lost result maybe. Your parents were the cause... You're their embarrassing result. Their most shameful accident.
Hypocritical incident #64532375.
You: Waaaaaaah, your debate tactics are horrible, waaah. You're insulting me and stuff.
You: Generic insult here, generic insult there...feed off EminemInsider's lines and turn them around with "I know you are but what am I?" tactics...VOILA! Now the poor oblivious teens on this forum will continue to think that I actually am intelligent/know what I'm talking about because I've used pretentious verbiage (albeit incorrectly most of the time) and odd word choices to give off the appearance of being a member of the intellectual elite.
You're a legend in your own mind.
