Facts Here: Eminem is still better at his worst the last 6/7

[richard]

I apologise but I consider Love The Way You Lie an embarrassing stain on Eminem's discography. No giant essay from you will change that, just throwing that out there pre-emptively.

I couldn't care less whether you like the song or not. Where did you see me state anything about its quality? pop isn't about quality. Pop is a genre of music.

Think what you like of the song, I'm just saying - unless you fancy changing the definition of what pop is, or just deleting the general idea of the 'genre of pop' or what pop music usually adheres to, you cannot say "Love the Way You Lie" is pop.

Well you can say it, it's pretty easy to say actually, I just said it - but it's untrue. Rihanna is a pop artist and you could say her hook on that song is pop. But the song itself cannot be called pop due to Eminem's performance / themes and content on it.

Him working with a popstar is quite different to the man himself changing into a pop artist. It's fine to sling words around but, people say these things with such audacity like it's fact, without considering the true meaning in what they say.

And this is where genres and categorization gets fuzzy. For example, people will say that 'indie' music is a genre, but when asked to describe the way indie music sounds, they are puzzled. Rather they resort to explaining indie as artists who are signed to independent labels - which tells you nothing about how the music sounds. Similar things happen with other genres, and to be specific to this situation, it involved the interchangeability of the terms 'pop music' and 'popular music'. Some people see them as the same, and some recognize a distinction between the two.

The fact is that a discussion on whether or not LTWYL is a pop song is highly opinionated. If someone considers 'pop' music to be any music that is popular, then hell yes, LTWYL is a pop song. If, however, you believe that 'pop' music has a distinctive sound, then this is less likely - though nevertheless some may believe, in that case, that LTWYL is still a pop song.

I've always had a problem with genres and how they attempt to categorize something that is unlimited. Really, some songs could fall into many genres at once if pulled off correctly. But therein is the beauty of music and sound, I guess - the fact that it is infinite means there will always be something that appeals to each person's particular tastes and the way they perceive sound - even though it may bring about never-ending discussions regarding which song is better than which, which song fits which genre, who is the more skilled guitar player, etc, etc.

[BigBoss]

:laughing:

Em was never pop.

damn, i wanna bang rihanna
look at dem curves!

Dat ass, thread is now about fascination with RiRi's ass

[randomgirl]

:laughing:

Em was never pop.

damn, i wanna bang rihanna
look at dem curves!

I wanna bang Eminem

[Wreck]

So you think the Bad Meets Evil EP is pop?

You think Relapse is pop? or the content of Recovery pop?

He compromised by trying to adapt to certain sound trends with the production on Recovery, for sure. And, it has some pop chorus'.

But HE hasn't gone pop. His rapping remains hardcore and lyrical and he as an artist remains who he's always been. He may not be as good but he still says whatever he wants in whatever way he wants to. Pop artists don't do that. Because they're trying to appeal to everyone.

They make broad, comfortable love ballads.

Even "Love the Way You Lie" isn't that. It's a realistic song about domestic violence. He's angry and intense, his presentation is not pop.

I think he's trying to strike the balance, be a bit of a smart-ass and basically mix pop elements with hardcore rapping to sell like a popstar, and have a gigantic voice in music whilst at the same time remaining true to hip-hop.

But he isn't pop. And neither is Kanye. Not in the sense they just make broad comfortable music for the masses. They don't do that at all. They make very particular, divisive music that they put a lot of concerned time and effort into trying to make unique, controversial and lasting. They're artists, not popstars.

You could 'technically' still say a popstar is still an artist but, a pop singer that has their songs written for them and doesn't particularly care about content or what they're singing about or any artistic elements of what they do, isn't really an artist. They're just a singer. They're more like sales people that are selling a musical product, and their singing is their sales pitch.

But, Em and Kanye for example, aren't that. So it's simply wrong to call them pop.

He's not pop, he makes pop SONGS.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

So you think the Bad Meets Evil EP is pop?

You think Relapse is pop? or the content of Recovery pop?

He compromised by trying to adapt to certain sound trends with the production on Recovery, for sure. And, it has some pop chorus'.

But HE hasn't gone pop. His rapping remains hardcore and lyrical and he as an artist remains who he's always been. He may not be as good but he still says whatever he wants in whatever way he wants to. Pop artists don't do that. Because they're trying to appeal to everyone.

They make broad, comfortable love ballads.

Even "Love the Way You Lie" isn't that. It's a realistic song about domestic violence. He's angry and intense, his presentation is not pop.

I think he's trying to strike the balance, be a bit of a smart-ass and basically mix pop elements with hardcore rapping to sell like a popstar, and have a gigantic voice in music whilst at the same time remaining true to hip-hop.

But he isn't pop. And neither is Kanye. Not in the sense they just make broad comfortable music for the masses. They don't do that at all. They make very particular, divisive music that they put a lot of concerned time and effort into trying to make unique, controversial and lasting. They're artists, not popstars.

You could 'technically' still say a popstar is still an artist but, a pop singer that has their songs written for them and doesn't particularly care about content or what they're singing about or any artistic elements of what they do, isn't really an artist. They're just a singer. They're more like sales people that are selling a musical product, and their singing is their sales pitch.

But, Em and Kanye for example, aren't that. So it's simply wrong to call them pop.

He's not pop, he makes pop SONGS.

what are the pop songs that he made?

inb4LTWYL&LIGHTERSwhicharenotpop

[Wreck]

So you think the Bad Meets Evil EP is pop?

You think Relapse is pop? or the content of Recovery pop?

He compromised by trying to adapt to certain sound trends with the production on Recovery, for sure. And, it has some pop chorus'.

But HE hasn't gone pop. His rapping remains hardcore and lyrical and he as an artist remains who he's always been. He may not be as good but he still says whatever he wants in whatever way he wants to. Pop artists don't do that. Because they're trying to appeal to everyone.

They make broad, comfortable love ballads.

Even "Love the Way You Lie" isn't that. It's a realistic song about domestic violence. He's angry and intense, his presentation is not pop.

I think he's trying to strike the balance, be a bit of a smart-ass and basically mix pop elements with hardcore rapping to sell like a popstar, and have a gigantic voice in music whilst at the same time remaining true to hip-hop.

But he isn't pop. And neither is Kanye. Not in the sense they just make broad comfortable music for the masses. They don't do that at all. They make very particular, divisive music that they put a lot of concerned time and effort into trying to make unique, controversial and lasting. They're artists, not popstars.

You could 'technically' still say a popstar is still an artist but, a pop singer that has their songs written for them and doesn't particularly care about content or what they're singing about or any artistic elements of what they do, isn't really an artist. They're just a singer. They're more like sales people that are selling a musical product, and their singing is their sales pitch.

But, Em and Kanye for example, aren't that. So it's simply wrong to call them pop.

You're an idiot. Everyone's getting their panties in a wad cause I said he went pop a little bit, I didn't specify how much did I? When did I say he

No, HTS isn't pop, but Recovery is, and Relapse is trash, but that has nothing to do with my comment about him being pop, that's referring to Recovery, which I still liked, over Relapse and in general.

Again, I'm no where saying he is a POP ARTIST, just he makes pop songs now. No Love isn't pop? Bullsh1t. LTWYL is a great song, but it's pop-rap.

Ok what about Seduction? That is totally pop. Just my opinion.

Disclaimer: Everybody here that thinks I'm dumb or w/e cause of this thread, read this. Eminem is one of the best lyrical mcs ever, and he still is, but that doesn't mean he mixes in a few pop songs here and there. Read reviews, forums, articles, etc. people have said he dumbed down his style cause he would never work with a Rihanna or Lil Wayne before, and make those types of tracks before.

[Wreck]

what are the pop songs that he made?

inb4LTWYL&LIGHTERSwhicharenotpop

Right there, you're basically admitting that LTWYL is pop, because everyone else calls it that. Seduction, which I love, is pop, No Love, no- Lighters isn't really that pop, and HTS isn't pop at all, except for I'm On Everything.

Space Bound
25 To Life

Good songs, still poppish, even though they are good storytelling, lyrical songs as well. They have all of these elements in them. Want me to name more?

[richard]

In my opinion LTWYL is a pop song. Maybe not Em's part specifically, but the hook is so pop that it gives the whole song that character. And no matter what, this will always be his song.

He did have to choose this hook, chose to have Rihanna sing it, and chose to put it out on HIS album (his piece of art). If an artists makes pop songs that would make them a pop artist.

But that doesn't mean they are ONLY a pop artist. He's made many songs that would not fit that 'pop' sound, and continues to do so as we've seen on HTS.

[Almostlity]

So you think the Bad Meets Evil EP is pop?

(Listens to Bad Meets Evil)

That shit is pop to you...?

now he is back again lyrically, ever since that relapse and recovery bullsh1t. i'm referring to the hell the sequel shit. his lyricism on that was awesome, and the flows were sick.

*shrug