Eminen is the greatest lyricist in da game & possibly ever

[Man1x]

Thank you Menzo! Tech N9ne is not as great as people here hype him to be and I'm glad I'm not the only one to take notice.

[RKOunion]

This is considered one of his stand-outs I think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn-khAgEc7o

I hate his fast flows.

[Relapse.]

never heard of this "eminen"

Who?

[Man1x]

This is considered one of his stand-outs I think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn-khAgEc7o

I hate his fast flows.

Really? I think he sounds stupid if he ain't doing a fast flow because he packs way to many rhymes for a slow flow to be smooth and that is even more noticeable when he chops his slow flows.

[Elision]

the flow, the delivery, the style and most importantly the content is unmatched

[Stanforever]

Deja vu

[momentsgolden]

Have you guys listened to All 6's and 7's? Really, i mean... there's no competition. If u do listen to All 6's and 7's he makes a very good case there and there been MANY people (Yelawolf, Hiphopdx Emcee of the year, Lil Wayne etc...) who have also given him that "lyricist respect.
So Lonely, Delusional, Cult Leader, Mama Nem, F.A.N.S all make deep sense and are well constructed tracks. He slows down with Kendrick Lemar and still sounds great on I Love Music, speeds up and flips the shit outta those words on Worldwide choppers and just dismantles the beat on Am I a Physco. I could go real deep into why these songs lyrics are better than any rapper out but dont really have time right now.

To say Kendrick Lemar is the best lyricist i find that very... biased tbh. Kendrick Lemar is the most CONSCIOUS rapper which is his forte and i love him for that. He is adored for bringing up social commentary not because he can flip the words better.

Yelawolf cant even compete. After Trunk Muzik maybe but Radioactive cant fuck with anything good by most rappers. #truth.

Hopsin is cool. But still.... no fucking way dude. Knock Madness not even out and that RAW...? Great album, dont get me wrong but its just nice not gonna compare with Recovery or something.

@Menzo- put simply, soccer and rap is non-analogous because the dynamics of support are different.

[Man1x]

Have you guys listened to All 6's and 7's? Really, i mean... there's no competition. If u do listen to All 6's and 7's he makes a very good case there and there been MANY people (Yelawolf, Hiphopdx Emcee of the year, Lil Wayne etc...) who have also given him that "lyricist respect.
So Lonely, Delusional, Cult Leader, Mama Nem, F.A.N.S all make deep sense and are well constructed tracks. He slows down with Kendrick Lemar and still sounds great on I Love Music, speeds up and flips the shit outta those words on Worldwide choppers and just dismantles the beat on Am I a Physco. I could go real deep into why these songs lyrics are better than any rapper out but dont really have time right now.

To say Kendrick Lemar is the best lyricist i find that very... biased tbh. Kendrick Lemar is the most CONSCIOUS rapper which is his forte and i love him for that. He is adored for bringing up social commentary not because he can flip the words better.

Yelawolf cant even compete. After Trunk Muzik maybe but Radioactive cant fuck with anything good by most rappers. #truth.

Hopsin is cool. But still.... no fucking way dude. Knock Madness not even out and that RAW...? Great album, dont get me wrong but its just nice not gonna compare with Recovery or something.

@Menzo- put simply, soccer and rap is non-analogous because the dynamics of support are different.

Ya. I've played All 6&7's more than a 100 times and I can even put my iTunes up if you don't believe me. I feel Kendrick is the best rounded rapper out right now, Texh shines and has his moments but there are times when he only focuses on flow and his words have no imaginable meaning. AND it's biased if you don't realize that. Anyone can argue with half of the picture like you just did by listing the stand out tracks form his last album. Then of course I could mention tracks like Unfair & Bang Out, which at points he makes no sense what so ever. I'm not saying he's bad, he makes some dope tracks, but to say he's number one right now is an overstatement. Kendrick so far as I have heard hasn't made a track where, on top of saying nothing, he doesn't even make sense in the English language that Tech has done numerous times. Yelawolf can still compete, I didn't say he was number 1 but Radioactive was more focused than most rap Tech N9ne has put out, however I believe All 6&7's was better and a little more focused than a usual Tech album. Again, I never said Hopsin is number one. I think he doing good stuff and the argument of who is better out him and Tech is a valid. Now that leaves Elzhi, didn't say he was number one but he is lyrically better than Tech and more focused in his message. Tech's mostly all about flow and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just making a point. Oh and majority of Section.80 > majority of All 6&7's IMO.

[momentsgolden]

Yelawolf can still compete, I didn't say he was number 1...
Again, I never said Hopsin is number one....
Now that leaves Elzhi, didn't say he was number one... b. Oh and majority of Section.80 > majority of All 6&7's IMO.

This thread is about Eminem being the best lyricist in the game right now not just rappers who are good at that. Btw, i'm a BIG fan of Hopsin, Yelawolf, Eminem, Kendrick Lemar, Ludacris etc but just saying, RIGHT NOW, i think Tech N9ne is the best at what he does.

The argument seems to have progressed to a Tech N9ne, Kendrick Lemar and Eminem face off so i'll leave people like Amadeo to deal with why Eminem shouldnt top it haha

"i'm standing on a field full of landmines doing the moonwalk, hoping i blow up in time"
"my future's so bright i'll probably go blind before i blink twice"
"you ever seen a newborn baby kill a grow man"

lyricism =/= wordplay, that being said

Just got this over some website (rapgenius) and thought it really summed up what lyricism is to me:-

Technical proficiency is a combination of speed, internal rhymes, multi-syllables, alliteration, literary devices, skill of rhymes, wordplay, word usage, and general manipulation. Thankfully, this area is much more objective as any other of the previously discussed subjects, and many theorize it possible to mathematically calculate skill, using algorithms. This has been done previously with Rhyme Density.

Tech n9ne's multiple rhyme schemes are well documented, his alliteration is unmatched, internal rhymes are mandatory and wordplay is simply crazy.

Well, to try and quote punchlines from both these rappers would be almost unfair on them because they rarely do that and sometimes are awfully abysmal when they try (Your flow's softer than a cat's meow ) That said, maybe i should give my take on Tech's standout lines-

The red is for the blood we all shed fighting
The black is for the nights we fight with no lighting
The white is for the clouds from which we came flying

And I popped eyes open without eating me canned spinach

Plus, lets be honest, Tech N9ne has had 6/7 albums each with 20+ songs and Kendrick Lemar has ONE album Section 80. Its obvious one will sound "repetitive" but i still find him very well balanced. From Horrocore, to Love, to Touring, to Iraqi war to party tracks... he has a pretty decent range.

I always get a good laugh out of the awful rappers that teenagers claim are better than Eminem in order to seem kewl and different.

Coming from you... yes, that is hilarious Eminem is still my favourite rapper but Tech n9ne just made a better outlet with all 6's and 7's man. On the real.

[RKOunion]

"my future's so bright i'll probably go blind before i blink twice"

Isn't that basically taking the expression "Furture's so bright" and making it literal?


Rap Genius explaining this line as if it's clever: http://rapgenius.com/160282/Kendrick-lamar-the-heart-pt-2/My-future-so-bright-id-probably-go-blind-before-i-blink-twice

Another double entendre. He puts two meanings on the word bright. He uses the word bright to mean success & also the effect of his future literally having shine

He extends the play on the word “bright.” He says that his future shines so much, he’s going to go blind looking at it, because it shines that much

[Man1x]

"my future's so bright i'll probably go blind before i blink twice"

Isn't that basically taking the expression "Furture's so bright" and making it literal?

Yes.

It's a stock-standard Lil Wayne punchline: "I lost my mind, it's somewhere out there stranded." The same old tripe that every single rapper is writing.

I hate to use an internet cliche, but for lack of a more original analogy: being the best punchline rapper is like winning the Special Olympics.

[BillyGoat03z]

Its funny as hell to hear ery'one argue about punchlines, word play, etc.. Some peeps have posted lyric lines where they act as if it were some godly deep spiritual shit that was spit when I looked at the rhyme as if it were just another line to a bar to a verse. Ery'one got there only own translation to what is spit.