Shady/Aftermath could have been the biggest monster ever

[FreeSpeech]

All of this junk happened:
-Proof killed
-Eminem's drug addiction
-Dre's son dies, plus he just kept putting off Detox
-Game and 50/G-Unit hate each other
-Dre stops really working with 50 and Game a lot
-Lloyd Banks loses his album

Now picture this:
-Dre drops Detox years ago, which I feel would have made it much better
-Game and 50 keep making songs like Hate It Or Love It and How We Do
-A sober Eminem only improves after TES
-Dre keeps working with 50, he improves from GRODT
-Dre keeps working with Game
-D12 drops a hot 3rd album, with Em and Proof
-We keep getting good stuff from Obie and G-Unit

We obviously can't complain, but I can't help but to think that if all that bad stuff hadn't happened, Shady/Aftermath would have been the most indisputably dominant label in history. They had access to some of the best features, like Nate Dogg, Xzibit, and Snoop. Put those guys on 50 and Game albums and DAMN.

[Mahmoud48]

WTF dre's son died?
i thought that was only a metaphor in INAD

[FreeSpeech]

this will be the only time im agreeing with you

Haha cool. I've been listening to old Game and 50 stuff, and things they say just make me sad this never happened.
"You are now about to witness the power of fucking 50" - Eminem , Patiently Waiting
"Ladies and gentlemen, you are now about to witness the strength of Aftermath" - We Ain't intro
"This the rebirth of Dre,...the rebirth of hip hop" - The Game, Put You On The Game
"Look out for Detox" - Dr. Dre, Higher
"I can go at Nas and Jigga, both for the throne" - 50 Cent, High All The Time

Those lyrics were seriously predicting the most dominant dynasty ever. I don't even take offense to 50 calling out Nas and Jay, if he had kept improving from GRODT, I firmly would believe he would have taken the NY throne.

[j04370859]

I'm the only one who liked Massacre last good work 50 did besides his soundtrack album.

[FreeSpeech]

There is no more intimidating lineup than this pic. Not Wu, not Roc, not Young Money, not GOOD, nobody.

[ShadyVsEminem]

Shady/Aftermath had a 6 year run no other label has got near (99-05).
Encore,D12 world and the massacre are the only albums people complain about but they all killed it on the charts

S/A album positions on the top 100 sellers of the last decade
http://www.mediatraffic.de/2000-2009-album-chart.htm
The MMLP 3rd(22million)
The Eminem Show 4th(20million)
Encore 38th(10million)
8mile soundtrack 55th (9million)
Curtain Call 84th (7million)
Get Rich 19th (12 million)
2001 48th (9million)
The Massacre 56th (9million)

Im sure any album Eminem releases will be in the top 30 sellers of this decade,Recovery is a shoe in.The rest of the roster dont have the buzz that the early shady roster had i think he signed them for music reasons more than to make a quick buck

[FreeSpeech]

Shady/Aftermath had a 6 year run no other label has got near (99-05).
Encore,D12 world and the massacre are the only albums people complain about but they all killed it on the charts

They really only had one great album each around the time they teamed up: TES, Documentary, and GRODT. Game and 50 started feuding before Documentary even dropped.

[stillmatic]

"I can go at Nas and Jigga, both for the throne" - 50 Cent, High All The Time
I don't even take offense to 50 calling out Nas and Jay, if he had kept improving from GRODT, I firmly would believe he would have taken the NY throne.

Firstly, that line is not a shot at Nas or Jay at all.

Secondly, he took the NY throne the day GRODT dropped, and although the throne right now is probably vacant, if it had to be handed to an NY artist, it would be 50.

[ShadyVsEminem]

Firstly, that line is not a shot at Nas or Jay at all.

Secondly, he took the NY throne the day GRODT dropped, and although the throne right now is probably vacant, if it had to be handed to an NY artist, it would be 50.

Jay Z would be the main man in New York at the moment based on what his last albums have done,he has remained consistent but at the same time never really got near as big as 50 was for his 1st 2 albums

50 and Jay are more worried about lining there pockets than anything else,the flack Eminem catches for collabing with a few popstars while Jay Z is off signing(and collabing with)everyone of them and nothings said

[stillmatic]

Firstly, that line is not a shot at Nas or Jay at all.

Secondly, he took the NY throne the day GRODT dropped, and although the throne right now is probably vacant, if it had to be handed to an NY artist, it would be 50.

Jay Z would be the main man in New York at the moment based on what his last albums have done,he has remained consistent but at the same time never really got near as big as 50 was for his 1st 2 albums

King of NY has never ever been about who's the most popular. Fif didn't even take that throne after GRODT because of what it sold, but more because of the power and influence of that album. It could have gone barely platinum and he still would have taken the throne because of the movement that album started in the streets of New York, and the impact of his work before that album.

Jay-Z has only been the King of New York between 1999-2001. That's it.

If Hov, Fif and Esco were to have concerts at the same time on the same day in New York with the stadium capacity being the same for all three, and the concert would just be them alone without any guests, Jay's would sell out the slowest.

[FreeSpeech]

"I can go at Nas and Jigga, both for the throne" - 50 Cent, High All The Time
I don't even take offense to 50 calling out Nas and Jay, if he had kept improving from GRODT, I firmly would believe he would have taken the NY throne.

Firstly, that line is not a shot at Nas or Jay at all.

Secondly, he took the NY throne the day GRODT dropped, and although the throne right now is probably vacant, if it had to be handed to an NY artist, it would be 50.

I know, but some people thought it was too arrogant. And I was thinking more along the lines of the best NY MC of all time, not just the current champ. I know he would never top Nas lyrically, but just in terms of who was most dominant for the longest, it could have been 50. I think he could have been mentioned with the likes of Pac and Big, obviously not now though...

[dead prez]

King of NY has never ever been about who's the most popular.

If this is true, than Biggie was never the KONY. Which I don't think he was anyway.

Fif didn't even take that throne after GRODT because of what it sold, but more because of the power and influence of that album. It could have gone barely platinum and he still would have taken the throne because of the movement that album started in the streets of New York, and the impact of his work before that album.

What trends did it set other than, rappers singing on their hooks?

Jay-Z has only been the King of New York between 1999-2001. That's it.

And recently

If Hov, Fif and Esco were to have concerts at the same time on the same day in New York with the stadium capacity being the same for all three, and the concert would just be them alone without any guests, Jay's would sell out the slowest.

I think you mean Nas would

[stillmatic]

If this is true, than Biggie was never the KONY. Which I don't think he was anyway.

I find it funny you're probably the only person in the whole of New York who doesn't think Biggie was the king of New York. Biggie was the original king of New York. He was called Frank White for a reason.

Back when The Source was the gospel of hip hop, they listed Biggie as the King of New York.



That issue was a huge issue for them. Biggie was the talk of New York. He was the MC that all other MC's wanted to be.

What trends did it set other than, rappers singing on their hooks?

Where did I even say anything about trends? The energy that was around 50 Cent around the time he released GRODT was what made him king of New York. There wasn't a single neighborhood in New York that wasn't talking about him. 50 Cent was always the peoples champ, but after that he put rap in a complete choke-hold. 50 Cent put NY at the forefront of hip hop again.

And recently

Nope. It's debatable. One song doesn't make someone king. We're never been about popularity, we're New York, not the South, we have real hip hop culture. Blueprint 3 was lambasted here, just because 'Empire State of mind' was a fucking ridiculous song that was boosted with the Yankees win of the World Series (finally!) doesn't make Hov king again, everyone deep down knows that it was Ms.Keys that made that song. Its that hook that made it it the anthem. Overall the song doesn't compare to Sinatra's at all.

I think you mean Nas would

Err, no. However, I should have worded that different. If tickets were reasonably priced, then Jay would easily sell out the slowest. Nas has a much heavier following than Jay in New York. Hov would have the BK and 'Hattan, but all of Queens, Harlem, The X and Stat would spread to Nas easily.

[AnalKiddo]

Em, 50, Dre

/thread

[Satire]

All of this junk happened:
-Proof killed
-Eminem's drug addiction
-Dre's son dies, plus he just kept putting off Detox
-Game and 50/G-Unit hate each other
-Dre stops really working with 50 and Game a lot
-Lloyd Banks loses his album

Now picture this:
-Dre drops Detox years ago, which I feel would have made it much better
-Game and 50 keep making songs like Hate It Or Love It and How We Do
-A sober Eminem only improves after TES
-Dre keeps working with 50, he improves from GRODT
-Dre keeps working with Game
-D12 drops a hot 3rd album, with Em and Proof
-We keep getting good stuff from Obie and G-Unit

We obviously can't complain, but I can't help but to think that if all that bad stuff hadn't happened, Shady/Aftermath would have been the most indisputably dominant label in history. They had access to some of the best features, like Nate Dogg, Xzibit, and Snoop. Put those guys on 50 and Game albums and DAMN.

He claims to dislike it, but FreeSpeech is on that All Black Everything swag.