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Eminem Sues Universal Records

Postby IrishShady » May 7th, '11, 10:27

From The Irish Times:

Eminem has his judgment day - and will walk away with millions

REVOLVER: BRIAN BOYD on music

A RULING THIS week by the US Supreme Court is going to cause a lot of multi- million-dollar headaches. It’s all to do with iTunes and whether downloads count as “sales” or “licences”.
The case is being taken by Eminem and his management team against the rapper’s record label, Universal Records. They argued that because there was no contractual provision for iTunes sales when Eminem first signed his contract, all of his sales on iTunes should be regarded as licences.

It’s a crucial distinction. For a sale, a musician can expect to be paid between 10 and 20 per cent of the revenue (as in the price of a CD). For a licence (such as when the same music is used in a TV show or in a film) they typically receive 50 per cent of the revenue.

Eminem took the case after he found out that his many millions

of iTunes sales were only being paid as sales. Mr Mathers and his legal team successfully argued that, under the terms of his contract, these sales should now be paid as licences. Now that the Supreme Court has refused Universal’s appeal of this decision, Eminem is looking at an extra $20 million or so coming his way.

It’s almost a metaphysical argument as to whether an iTunes download is a sale or a licence, and it’s all to do with the nature of new technology. The court came down on the side of an iTunes download being a licence because, strictly speaking, you don’t own it, you’ve just bought the rights (that is: the licence) to play it as much as you want.

Don’t expect a rush of massive payouts as result of the ruling. This case was all to do with how Eminem’s original contract was worded. He originally signed to Interscope (a Universal label) back in 1998, years before there was ever an iTunes. It simply wasn’t spelled out how he should be paid for future downloads or whether these should be regarded as sales or licences. Since the inception of iTunes, all standard recording contracts explicitly state that iTunes downloads are sales and not licences.

But there is still trouble ahead. A good lot of iTunes album downloads are of the “classic” variety, and the bands involved would have signed their record deals way before the internet era. Most bands have since renegotiated, and clauses have been added in dealing specifically with digital sales, but again the semantics here are proving a problem.

Pink Floyd have just settled a huge barney with their record label, EMI, over iTunes sales. The Floyd claimed that their original contract (signed way back in the 1960s) stipulated that none of their songs could be released as individual tracks because their albums were “seamless” works.

EMI argued that the band’s contract stipulation only applied to physical releases of their work (LPs, CDs) and not to digital releases, for which no provision was ever made. After much finger-pointing and name-calling, an out-of-court settlement was made and you can now download individual Pink Floyd songs on iTunes. It’s no coincidence that the band are rumoured to have the highest iTunes royalty rate ever struck between label and artist.

While today’s musicians have their hands legally tied over iTunes payments – these are all sales, not licences – expect a lot of still-big- selling acts from the 1960s, ’70s and ’80s to be rummaging around trying to find their original contracts – and wondering if they should renew their subscription to Private Jet Monthly.



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/theticket/2011/0506/1224296187280.html
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Re: Eminem Sues Universal Records

Postby IrishShady » May 7th, '11, 10:53

Revolutionary wrote:Old news but still good to see Em winning :shifty:

It just got into papers over here today haha
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Re: Eminem Sues Universal Records

Postby EminemBase » May 7th, '11, 10:58

Eminem didn't sue them, his old production team did.

That's the thing, if anybody connected with or 'under' Em's name makes a move, it gets printed as Eminem doing it lmao. Em will pocket money because of this, but it was the Bass Bros who sued them, for not receiving enough royalties and using the old contract terms to get more money from online sales.

But, they probably did that entirely without Eminem. But, because it's his material, he'll obviously receive money as an upshot regardless.
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Re: Eminem Sues Universal Records

Postby IrishShady » May 7th, '11, 11:18

EminemBase wrote:Eminem didn't sue them, his old production team did.

That's the thing, if anybody connected with or 'under' Em's name makes a move, it gets printed as Eminem doing it lmao. Em will pocket money because of this, but it was the Bass Bros who sued them, for not receiving enough royalties and using the old contract terms to get more money from online sales.

But, they probably did that entirely without Eminem. But, because it's his material, he'll obviously receive money as an upshot regardless.

Should I change the topic title to Eminem's Crew Sues?
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Re: Eminem Sues Universal Records

Postby EminemBase » May 7th, '11, 11:33

Revolutionary wrote:
EminemBase wrote:Eminem didn't sue them, his old production team did.

That's the thing, if anybody connected with or 'under' Em's name makes a move, it gets printed as Eminem doing it lmao. Em will pocket money because of this, but it was the Bass Bros who sued them, for not receiving enough royalties and using the old contract terms to get more money from online sales.

But, they probably did that entirely without Eminem. But, because it's his material, he'll obviously receive money as an upshot regardless.


If Eminem receives money that means he signed some papers...
I know what you're talking about, but i just wanna add that Em had to sign some papers to proceed with the law suit.


I doubt that he had to sign papers for it to proceed since it's not HIM suing.

It was FBT who sued Universal. So, legally - I'm pretty sure they can do that with or without Eminem's consent. That's THEM suing Universal.

But due to the fact they're making money off Eminem's music, he will get money anyway, if the law changes. Because they made the case to change a law based on contract.
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Re: Eminem Sues Universal Records

Postby zedzero27 » May 7th, '11, 12:27

Lol! fuckin' loopholes.. I love 'em! :D
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Re: Eminem Sues Universal Records

Postby slimsoxshady » May 7th, '11, 15:43

Em finally taking charge and getting to the money :worship:
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Re: Eminem Sues Universal Records

Postby Asd-ONE » May 7th, '11, 16:40

>Mr Mathews and his legal team successfully argued that, under the terms of his contract, these sales should now be paid as licences.
>Mr Mathews and his legal team successfully argued that
>Mr Mathews and his legal team
>Mr Mathews
>Mathews

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Re: Eminem Sues Universal Records

Postby Elision » May 7th, '11, 18:53

Mr. Mathews :facepalm
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Re: Eminem Sues Universal Records

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » May 7th, '11, 19:58

Asd-ONE wrote:>Mr Mathews and his legal team successfully argued that, under the terms of his contract, these sales should now be paid as licences.
>Mr Mathews and his legal team successfully argued that
>Mr Mathews and his legal team
>Mr Mathews
>Mathews

wtfamireading?


who the fuck is mr.mathews?
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Re: Eminem Sues Universal Records

Postby Atone » May 7th, '11, 20:01

Eminem so brokehe gotta sue somebody under a new identity.....spent to much money on pills and shit


lol but seriously, i don't think em even knows about this lawsuit
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Re: Eminem Sues Universal Records

Postby vivaldiwasasellout » May 7th, '11, 22:16

Atone The Underdog wrote:Eminem so brokehe gotta sue somebody under a new identity.....spent to much money on pills and shit


lol but seriously, i don't think em even knows about this lawsuit


I think he knows it: I read he received 17 millions dollars for this shit.
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Re: Eminem Sues Universal Records

Postby Trimss » May 7th, '11, 22:20

Devil'sAdvocate wrote:
Asd-ONE wrote:>Mr Mathews and his legal team successfully argued that, under the terms of his contract, these sales should now be paid as licences.
>Mr Mathews and his legal team successfully argued that
>Mr Mathews and his legal team
>Mr Mathews
>Mathews

wtfamireading?


who the fuck is mr.mathews?


I just hope it's not Mr Mathers.
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Re: Eminem Sues Universal Records

Postby IrishShady » May 8th, '11, 20:19

I'll fix that. :confusion: Fukkin' Irish Papers :coffee:
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Re: Eminem Sues Universal Records

Postby momentsgolden » May 18th, '11, 12:07

EminemBase wrote:I doubt that he had to sign papers for it to proceed since it's not HIM suing.

It was FBT who sued Universal. So, legally - I'm pretty sure they can do that with or without Eminem's consent. That's THEM suing Universal.

But due to the fact they're making money off Eminem's music, he will get money anyway, if the law changes. Because they made the case to change a law based on contract.


Now it has emerged Eminem might not even make money off the case! Forbes...http://blogs.forbes.com/zackomalleygree ... -suit-yet/
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