Facts Here: Eminem is still better at his worst the last 6/7

[Wreck]

years then most hip hop acts, now, and in that time period, after he put out TES and 8 Mile songs pretty much. How many rappers can you say are still good on his level, at his worst even? He has gone pop, but so have..........

Lil Wayne
Kanye
B.O.B.
Ludacris
Game
Dr. Dre
Jay-Z

I could mention a million more top artists, or underground artists that have done songs like Em nowadays- pop songs, etc. but fact, em is still better then lil gayne, and...

now he is back again lyrically, ever since that relapse and recovery bullsh1t. i'm referring to the hell the sequel shit. his lyricism on that was awesome, and the flows were sick.

I agree w/ yall sayin he fell the fuck off, but tbh he was one of the best in his prime, he's not always gonna be number 1 with the issues he had drug wise, the price of fame, family issues, etc. so you and I will have to accept the fact he is no longer a TES/MMLP/SSLP rapper, just take his dope songs now for what they're worth, instead of analyzing every little song he does, cause not every one from these last 6-7 years will be good.

Just my opinion. inb4prickssaythreadis2long

[flyingmonkey10]

Cool story bro

[EminemBase]

So you think the Bad Meets Evil EP is pop?

You think Relapse is pop? or the content of Recovery pop?

He compromised by trying to adapt to certain sound trends with the production on Recovery, for sure. And, it has some pop chorus'.

But HE hasn't gone pop. His rapping remains hardcore and lyrical and he as an artist remains who he's always been. He may not be as good but he still says whatever he wants in whatever way he wants to. Pop artists don't do that. Because they're trying to appeal to everyone.

They make broad, comfortable love ballads.

Even "Love the Way You Lie" isn't that. It's a realistic song about domestic violence. He's angry and intense, his presentation is not pop.

I think he's trying to strike the balance, be a bit of a smart-ass and basically mix pop elements with hardcore rapping to sell like a popstar, and have a gigantic voice in music whilst at the same time remaining true to hip-hop.

But he isn't pop. And neither is Kanye. Not in the sense they just make broad comfortable music for the masses. They don't do that at all. They make very particular, divisive music that they put a lot of concerned time and effort into trying to make unique, controversial and lasting. They're artists, not popstars.

You could 'technically' still say a popstar is still an artist but, a pop singer that has their songs written for them and doesn't particularly care about content or what they're singing about or any artistic elements of what they do, isn't really an artist. They're just a singer. They're more like sales people that are selling a musical product, and their singing is their sales pitch.

But, Em and Kanye for example, aren't that. So it's simply wrong to call them pop.

[JeFFb68CAM]

Have this dude's other 2349 posts been this stupid?

[xxTrigger1989xx]

(Listens to Bad Meets Evil)

That shit is pop to you...?

[Sukot]

To be honest, I hate it when members of here, who listen to nothing but hip hop, and a bit of rock music on the side, think they're qualified to call certain songs pop songs. I doubt they'd be doing that if they actually listened to any pop music.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Em was never pop.

[Kez]

:laughing:

Em was never pop.

[EminemBase]

:laughing:

Em was never pop.

Even "Love the Way You Lie" isn't that. It's a realistic song about domestic violence. He's angry and intense, his presentation is not pop.

Rihanna is a popstar. Eminem's rapping on the song is not pop, or pop rapping. Him collaborating with a popstar doesn't make him pop.

And, he clearly put Rihanna on the chorus of a domestic violence song due to her issues. He no doubt knew she'd make it a hit but, that's where some of the resonance of the song comes from. And - tackling a subject such as domestic violence in such an honest, realistic and genuine way cannot be considered pop. Ever.

[flyingmonkey10]

:laughing:

Em was never pop.

damn, i wanna bang rihanna
look at dem curves!

[TheGentlePlayer]

He hasn't gone pop.
He just choosed a famous singer for his hooks.

He has always had girls on hooks, but when he got Rihanna he was suddently gone pop?

[Kez]

:laughing:

Em was never pop.

Even "Love the Way You Lie" isn't that. It's a realistic song about domestic violence. He's angry and intense, his presentation is not pop.

Rihanna is a popstar. Eminem's rapping on the song is not pop, or pop rapping. Him collaborating with a popstar doesn't make him pop.

And, he clearly put Rihanna on the chorus of a domestic violence song due to her issues. He no doubt knew she'd make it a hit but, that's where some of the resonance of the song comes from. And - tackling a subject such as domestic violence in such an honest, realistic and genuine way cannot be considered pop. Ever.

I apologise but I consider Love The Way You Lie an embarrassing stain on Eminem's discography. No giant essay from you will change that, just throwing that out there pre-emptively.

[EminemBase]

I apologise but I consider Love The Way You Lie an embarrassing stain on Eminem's discography. No giant essay from you will change that, just throwing that out there pre-emptively.

I couldn't care less whether you like the song or not. Where did you see me state anything about its quality? pop isn't about quality. Pop is a genre of music.

Think what you like of the song, I'm just saying - unless you fancy changing the definition of what pop is, or just deleting the general idea of the 'genre of pop' or what pop music usually adheres to, you cannot say "Love the Way You Lie" is pop.

Well you can say it, it's pretty easy to say actually, I just said it - but it's untrue. Rihanna is a pop artist and you could say her hook on that song is pop. But the song itself cannot be called pop due to Eminem's performance / themes and content on it.

Him working with a popstar is quite different to the man himself changing into a pop artist. It's fine to sling words around but, people say these things with such audacity like it's fact, without considering the true meaning in what they say.

[Trimss]

So.. I thought Rihanna is an Rnb artist.

What's the difference, if there's one?

[EminemBase]

So.. I thought Rihanna is an Rnb artist.

What's the difference, if there's one?

Well, she's called an RnB artist but from her songs I've heard she sounds pop to me.

She sings broad, comfortable love ballads and concepts.

Maybe her albums have elements of other things that qualify her being something else. But I do know one thing, and that's that - what Eminem does as a rapper, and artist cannot possibly be argued to be pop in any sense.