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Re: Eminem Research Paper

Postby ray k-47 » Dec 5th, '12, 01:22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI3bNFTNB9I... Idk if this will help you but it talks bout his life
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Re: Eminem Research Paper

Postby Jimmy Conway » Dec 5th, '12, 01:23

You're just starting a ten page paper that is due in two days?
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Re: Eminem Research Paper

Postby Amaranthine » Dec 5th, '12, 01:28

Slim Cary wrote:You're just starting a ten page paper that is due in two days?

This. Holy crap.

Anyway, the link in my sig might help. This. Excerpts from two of the biographies on Eminem, helps with stuff on his life, creative process, being around him, etc.
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Re: Eminem Research Paper

Postby Jimmy Conway » Dec 5th, '12, 01:30

Amaranthine wrote:
Slim Cary wrote:You're just starting a ten page paper that is due in two days?

This. Holy crap.

Anyway, the link in my sig might help. This. Excerpts from two of the biographies on Eminem, helps with stuff on his life, creative process, being around him, etc.


I guess he'll have to STAYWIDEAWAKE....woooo
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Re: Eminem Research Paper

Postby Willy » Dec 5th, '12, 01:33

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Re: Eminem Research Paper

Postby TheGentlePlayer » Dec 5th, '12, 01:44

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Re: Eminem Research Paper

Postby EminemBase » Dec 5th, '12, 02:34

Well...

What's a poem?

Definition: A piece of writing that partakes of the nature of both speech and song that is nearly always rhythmical, usually metaphorical, and often exhibits such formal elements as meter, rhyme, and stanzaic structure. - Eminem's lyrics adhere to this.

What's a poet?

Definition: A person who writes poems. - Eminem writes his lyrics.

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All you have to prove that Eminem IS (not 'should be considered') a poet is the fact he writes poems. He write rhythmic poetic syntax. Therefore, he is a poet, full stop. Calling somebody 'a poet' doesn't denote whether they are a GOOD poet or not, and I realize that by 'should be considered a poet' they are implying why he should be considered a valid, and good poet. But people's use of 'art' and 'poetry' in these ways as if they imply quality or validity, annoys me.

I could throw shit at a canvas, and if I intend that to be art, it IS art. Does it make it good art, meaningful art, deep art, decent art? no, but it IS art. The quality, intent, reasoning, meaning and all these other things are subjective and debatable, but what it is, is art. Before and after any discussions of what it means or how good it is.

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So, Eminem is a poet, just, factually, point one. You should tell them that point blank.

As to why he should be considered a good poet? I think because his blend of irony, humour, tongue-in-cheek, macabre; self-analysis, rhyme, provocation, social commentary and phrasing at his best, is all so utterly unique and mesmerizing that he can baffle, excite and awe the mind of a literary fan. Or somebody who simply enjoys expression. Through his talents, he can make topics or issues which would otherwise be boring or repetitive, exhilarating. That is a great artist, a great poet.

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As for the link between 'mental troubles' (you'd have to first establish what that means)... assuming this refers to general depression, hardship and potential mental disorders, I have done a lot of thinking in that area myself, have been 'diagnosed' (it's bullshit tbh) as Bipolar myself and have an idea for a book for it. In short, I think A relationship between what we perceive as mental disorders, or mentally troubled people and, creativity or brilliance, is addictive thinking patterns (which leads to what we see as perfectionism). A perfectionist / addictive thinker has no qualms about practicing something to the point of total obsession beyond belief, and this, essentially, is what makes people good at things. Practice. Eminem's talent is simply the result of him harboring his skillset to the point of it becoming his ethos, and the reason he did, does and can practice so so much harder and in so many more intense ways than others, is because he is an addictive thinker.

A genius is somebody who has obsessed and practiced something so intensely, so repetitively that the work or art that they now produce looks unfathomable or completely incredible to the average person, hence our desire to call them 'genius', as we feel we need a word to describe this new level of amazing, that is above amazing. We can't fully appreciate or think we can do what they do, simply because we haven't obsessed or don't practice what they do, how they do.

Michael Jackson wasn't born dancing like that. He practiced to the point of insanity. But the result, is something you feel compelled to call genius. But we're just seeing the sausage, not how it's made, most of the time. So it's like a cloak-screen in front of the mechanics, so it feels magic.

So, I think the key to brilliance, is addiction. The addiction to obsess over a skill, a detail, every part of a process, until you nail it and innovate new methods of advancing it. And you'll struggle to find a truly influential or globally recognized person in any field who doesn't show the attributes of a major 'mental disorder', but, they're really just obsessive people, with a passion. They practice and think about things much more, and much more often, and much more intensely.
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Re: Eminem Research Paper

Postby UofLCard » Dec 5th, '12, 02:37

You should mention the window pain line from LTWYL--it left me breathless for days.

A year ago, I wrote a paper comparing Eminem to 17th century poet John Donne in my english class. I got an A or B on it. :D

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Re: Eminem Research Paper

Postby BigBoss » Dec 5th, '12, 02:41

EmBase just wrote half your essay
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Re: Eminem Research Paper

Postby Snakebeast » Dec 5th, '12, 02:46

I'd recommend grabbing the Eminem book. No, not one of them, THE Eminem book, the one he wrote himself. Its not complete (only up to 2008, I think) but it should provide a good insight into his life.
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Re: Eminem Research Paper

Postby Jimmy Conway » Dec 5th, '12, 03:48

If anyone here would go Stan on us and drive his car off a bridge because of Eminem it would be Eminembase
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Re: Eminem Research Paper

Postby EminemBase » Dec 5th, '12, 03:58

StayWideAwake wrote:I agree about the 'art' argument but my teacher is a poetry elitist who isn't so sure about calling eminem a poet.


Oh really?

Well tell him/her that calling Eminem a poet says nothing about the type of poetry he writes or whether it's good or bad. If you write poetry, anything that can be defined as poetry, you are a poet. So whether he/she likes it or not, that's what Eminem is, just, factually, lmao.

As for whether he's a good poet or not, ask him/her how much of Eminem they've ever actually listened to, how much of his lyrics they've ever truly read or properly analyzed - if it's hardly none of they just have some vague perception of him, maybe tell him/her that it's not very wise to come to a conclusion of a poet they don't actually know anything about.

I spoke to my old English teacher about Eminem, and he thinks Eminem is an astounding writer. He completely gets it, and most true literary minds do also, regardless of whether they like his content or not. Anybody with a true understanding of words and expression being used artistically and creatively can hear the sheer talent in Eminem's craft. If they can't, I submit they don't have a very good ear for it, or understand it very well. Tell your poetry teacher EmBase said suck a dick. :b:
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Re: Eminem Research Paper

Postby OMEGA » Dec 5th, '12, 04:01

You should quote the entirety of Insane to support your mentally troubled points. Lol
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Re: Eminem Research Paper

Postby M15HKA » Dec 5th, '12, 04:03

Use some of his rhyming as examples and highlight the patterns. Rock Bottom and Dejavu are good examples. Might have to avoid some of the slant rhyming.

I feel like I'm walkin' a tight rope without a circus net
Poppin' Percocet, I'm a nervous wreck
I deserve respect but I work a sweat for this worthless check
I'm about to burst this Tec at somebody to reverse this debt
Minimum wage got my adrenaline caged
Full of venom and rage, especially when I'm engaged


Dejavu courtesy of Menzo/Innovation.
As I, fall deeper into a manic state
I'm a prime candidate for the gene to receive the drug addict traits
Blood pressure climbs at a dramatic rate
I seem to gravitate to the bottle of NyQuil then I salivate
Start off with the NyQuil like "I think I'll just have a taste"
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Re: Eminem Research Paper

Postby M15HKA » Dec 5th, '12, 04:26

@StayWideAwake If you want to further solidify your point. This is good supporting evidence to him being a poet.

The Poetry Society, formed in London in 1909, was equally gushing. "Eminem harnesses the power of word and language and that's what a poet would do," it said. "That's why the society is not surprised that Seamus Heaney would speak favourably."


Seamus Heaney (Nobel laureate poet), one of the leading figures in modern poetry has always praised the lyrical talents of Eminem. He said that he inspires an interest in the English language and its potency.


This is also an interesting read from 2010. Compares Eminem's Medicine Ball with Poet Edgar Allan Poe
http://thequietus.com/articles/04918-th ... per-eminem

You can count the amount of rhyme and assonance, from the relatively obvious at first, ‘Rebecca/Tribeca’, to the increasingly deviant: ‘Well lie next to’ pronounced ‘ nextah’, then stretching the possibilities of rhyme further and further with ‘Lunesta/trimester/digest her’. Then you have the secondary rhyme scheme, with ‘guys/I/shy/lie’ being interspersed for a second layer of rhythm. (I’ve only double-underlined the ones which are emphasised in the recorded version, so there are actually way more when you read them). Stylistically, I’m sure you’ll agree that it’s a breathtaking piece of work, if depressingly misogynistic. I mean, the rhymes are so thick and fast, they’re almost percussive – snare and cymbals – which propel the narrative spitting and yelping like the drums of death.
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