EminemBase wrote:Man1x wrote:Anyway, @ EmBase what would make a club song stand the test of time in your opinion (I know this won't, but I just want to read your opinion because you always have good ideas).
I don't want a club song tbh, I don't listen to club music.
So far, every single from the SH album has been at the best okay and at the worst horrible. I mean... there's just no way in hell this thing will be a classic when we've already heard like five songs from it and most of them suck ass or are a compromise.
I don't believe that this is the best SH could come up with, and if it is... they're not very creative.
Who cares about clubs?
Aiming at demographics is lame. If it's organic and they genuinely made this song because it felt good to them, fair enough. It's alright but, just totally forgettable.
No club tracks are memorable to me to be honest, as it's comparable to tacky pop music. It's repetitive, face-value themes, it's boring; "girl this" / "drink that". bla bla bla
I dunno, I'll come back to you later with an idea maybe, so far though Shady 2.0 is a major letdown. I think Our House will be a Radioactive repeat.
But beyond a concept, technique / execution is what makes something memorable. This song is catchy-enough but it feels like something they could make in ten minutes. Yeah okay, the odd nice line but they are trying to make an impression on the world, where's the ambition beyond just making 'passable' shit. Sigh. I'm bored of myself complaining but it's the truth.
Between this and Yelawolf's failure, it seems like they're making music by committee. As if they're going "okay, we need a song for women, a song for the clubs, a song for lyrical fiends"... which is just a ridiculous way to do it. Doing it like that is bullshit; it's not organic art, it's like they're trying to second-guess what's popular and adhere to it, Eminem used to do the opposite.
We know that is happening to a degree also as Yelawolf was persuaded in part by Em to do "Good Girl", which is the most obviously forced song on the album and probably in Yela's career. He sounded totally uncomfortable and they even had to make a stupid skit to justify it, because it's obvious, and it ruined the flow of the album. Shame on Em right now. Let them be them my ass.
This x100 tbh. Sigh. That's a great way to put it with the "making music by committee" part.
I kind of don't know what to make of Em's work this past year or so. I'm withholding my full judgment until his next solo work comes out, because frankly, even if it's not his best (and I'm definitely not saying it is), Recovery was solid. It was legitimate. It pandered a bit, but it still seemed like it qualified as art, at least for the most part.
But Em's making some head-scratching musical choices lately. I don't know if I blame him, really, or if I would even be doing things any differently if I were him. By all accounts, he's happy and basically just enjoying his life and rapping. It's like back when he was at his peak, that was his actual career, and now he's like a retiree who raps like it's a hobby (an involved hobby), the way some people play scrabble. I mean... it seems fine... for HIM. So I understand his choices as a person, and as someone who is just sick of arguing and wants to be happy and not make big deals of things for him to take his career sort of lightly. I get it, and at this point, I really do believe he's doing it just for laughs, and probably feels like his peak is behind him, so why sweat it. He doesn't seem willing to sacrifice his own peace of mind and sort of calm happy state of affairs for artistic integrity. And it's his life, and I'm actually glad that he is (as far as we know) happy.
On the other hand... this is Eminem. That name used to command respect, fear, whatever... not the "Eminem lol" response that it gets now. It breaks my heart a little to witness him tarnishing his legacy. Old Em was the stuff I listened to (when it was current) in high school, that spoke to my teenage angst. He was--and he really was-- this crazy tormented genius to me. That's how I took his music, and now I have no clue what the fuck he is doing. It's almost like watching your favorite person literally go insane (I'm talking in terms of his career, not personal life Em).
I know it's not that huge of a deal. And Em seems happy, and so, like I said, as far as HE's concerned, he's doing fine. And it's his life, and I actually respect him for not giving a shit. I'm glad he's doing what he wants. But... god. I just hope he actually MEANS this next album. That's all I want. Sincerity, bluntness, raw honesty... That'd be enough for me.
I'm still holding out that he's trying to lower expectations as much as possible and that this is all just a set-up for him to release something great, that's maybe not as good as his best, but better than the last couple, thereby redeeming him. Oh, naive hope....
