Do you think Em signed

[BigBangBazinga]

I got a feeling that Em didn't wanna sign Cashis, Stat & Bobby.
But he was so high that he didn't he signed them, so what he did is, bore them to death until they are finally realizing that they'll never release an album and apparently that worked on 2 outta 3 and the one thats lift is still hoping for an album release which i doubt.
But on him not signing dope mcs, i don't think he's scared of mcs that would out do him because he'd be stupid if he was thinking that. Because label owners gotta sign the dopest mcs around so they would carry the label after he's gone. Like what Jay did(signing J Cole Jay E).
So that makes me feel that he's just too lazy. BTW signing SH is not a smart move as it was obvious(ever since Royce got back with Em, he's been with him everywhere he goes). P.S let's not forget that the only rappers that released albums under Shady Records are people that were close to Em/D12!

Don't think Em and 50 were close before he got signed. Could be wrong

[Wreck]

I know it looks like I made this a money issue. It's not that he can't afford to sign shitty rapper but I just can't see why he would do that. Frankly, I think it's retarded to even think that.

Huh? I dunno what you're trying to say there, or what you meant to say, but I don't think it's retarded. Money is Power. And it wasn't like I mentioned something taboo. I just said that with all the money that Em has and makes he could sign a better fuckin rapper then Cashis. Cashis is somebody I could see a shitty, down the drain label sign, like Duck Down Records, who ironically almost first signed Em back awhile ago.

Yeah, I know that's what you said. But the thread is about whether or not Em signed the "shitty rappers" to make himself look better. And that, to me, is retarded. Yeah, money is power. But if Em wanted more money that bad he'd tour and drop two albums every year. That's one of the many great things about Em, he really doesn't care about money. I'm not saying he's like "Fuck money, I don't care if I'm broke", but he's not like 50.

Yeah I know, and I know about the money part- he does it just for the love of hip hop, and for his love of making music in general as well. True that's a good point, I agree, but I wasn't saying that in response to the signing shitty acts to make himself look better, I was saying he has money, he CAN afford to sign better talent, but since he doesn't, it just gave me the impression sometimes that he was either cocky in his own mind to show that he was so much better then the opposition or that he was dumb and couldn't sign talent for shit. But looking back it does sound dumb but that's just my opinion.

[BigBangBazinga]

Why do you think signing Slaughterhouse is/will be a bad move? SH is fuckin dope to me but I'm interested in your opinion on this. And people we don't know yet that SH OFFICIALLY signed, but it's safe to say we know they are going to once the fuckin paperwork is finally done .

It's gonna be the exact same thing as it was with Obie. No matter how dope you are, you still need promotion. And I don't know if he's going to be able to promote SH to the level that they'll go platinum etc. Business wise I don't think SH is a good deal.

[Wreck]

I got a feeling that Em didn't wanna sign Cashis, Stat & Bobby.
But he was so high that he didn't he signed them, so what he did is, bore them to death until they are finally realizing that they'll never release an album and apparently that worked on 2 outta 3 and the one thats lift is still hoping for an album release which i doubt.
But on him not signing dope mcs, i don't think he's scared of mcs that would out do him because he'd be stupid if he was thinking that. Because label owners gotta sign the dopest mcs around so they would carry the label after he's gone. Like what Jay did(signing J Cole Jay E).
So that makes me feel that he's just too lazy. BTW signing SH is not a smart move as it was obvious(ever since Royce got back with Em, he's been with him everywhere he goes). P.S let's not forget that the only rappers that released albums under Shady Records are people that were close to Em/D12!

Don't think Em and 50 were close before he got signed. Could be wrong

Nah he didn't even really know 50 Cent that much before signing him. There is a clip though from like back in 1998/1999 where he's seen near 50 Cent, but I can't remember what the clip is related to. He heard 50 through Paul Rosenberg through somebody else I believe. That's when he heard 50's Power of The Dollar tape with How To Rob, Life's On The Line, etc. He mentions this in a bunch of interviews and songs. It was right after Big L got killed, 50 got shot, 50 got released from Columbia after the shooting, after he got stabbed, and nobody else would pick him up besides Em.

[BigBangBazinga]

It was right after Big L got killed, 50 got shot, 50 got released from Columbia after the shooting, after he got stabbed, and nobody else would pick him up besides Em.

Yeah, I know all of that.

Best business move in the history of modern music?

[Wreck]

Why do you think signing Slaughterhouse is/will be a bad move? SH is fuckin dope to me but I'm interested in your opinion on this. And people we don't know yet that SH OFFICIALLY signed, but it's safe to say we know they are going to once the fuckin paperwork is finally done .

It's gonna be the exact same thing as it was with Obie. No matter how dope you are, you still need promotion. And I don't know if he's going to be able to promote SH to the level that they'll go platinum etc. Business wise I don't think SH is a good deal.

Thanks for your answer Revolutionary. jk bro. I have to totally disagree here though. Have you ever listened to Slaughterhouse? And to add to that, have you ever listened to the solo shit of Joe Budden, Crooked I & Joell Ortiz (because I know you've listened to a ton of Royce shit, mostly from his affiliation/songs with Em)? They are 4 separate entities. They have 4 different fanbases. And they are way way doper individually, and without a doubt as a group, than Obie Trice was or is. And Hip hop groups generally do well promotion wise too. Wu-Tang I don't even have to explain the argument there. Probably the best hip hop group ever. The 4 Four Horseman. Just 4 totally sick lyricists right there as well, and I know their are some more. Edit: D12. Being Eminem's boys is all the promotion they needed. If a girl thought that Eminem was hot and loved his music on top of it, and if she never heard a D12 song she might still buy both albums just based off of Eminem obviously.

[Wreck]

It was right after Big L got killed, 50 got shot, 50 got released from Columbia after the shooting, after he got stabbed, and nobody else would pick him up besides Em.

Best business move in the history of modern music?

You're joking right? lol. I hope you are.

[Wreck]

I got a feeling that Em didn't wanna sign Cashis, Stat & Bobby.
But he was so high that he didn't he signed them, so what he did is, bore them to death until they are finally realizing that they'll never release an album and apparently that worked on 2 outta 3 and the one thats lift is still hoping for an album release which i doubt.
But on him not signing dope mcs, i don't think he's scared of mcs that would out do him because he'd be stupid if he was thinking that. Because label owners gotta sign the dopest mcs around so they would carry the label after he's gone. Like what Jay did(signing J Cole Jay E).
So that makes me feel that he's just too lazy. BTW signing SH is not a smart move as it was obvious(ever since Royce got back with Em, he's been with him everywhere he goes). P.S let's not forget that the only rappers that released albums under Shady Records are people that were close to Em/D12!

Don't think Em and 50 were close before he got signed. Could be wrong

Yeah, they weren't. But Em in 2002 was unstoppable, you can't compare him to 2004-2010 Em!
P.S 50 said in an interview that he sent his demo to every label in NY but no one called him back but when Em got his hands on it he gave it to Dre and Dre said let's meet....

Exactly. But the best move for a rapper is to take your tape or CD to radio stations, labels & A&RS in NY and in Cali, and if you're dope, you have a shot. It was just the fact that with 50 getting shot labels didn't want him on their roster because of the fear factor and the thought that they didn't know what this guy was going to do and how people were going to react to him.

[BigBangBazinga]

It was right after Big L got killed, 50 got shot, 50 got released from Columbia after the shooting, after he got stabbed, and nobody else would pick him up besides Em.

Best business move in the history of modern music?

You're joking right? lol. I hope you are.

Both yes and no. Of course I'm not being serious about the "in history of modern music" part, but it was a fucking brilliant deal.

[Wreck]

Both yes and no. Of course I'm not being serious about the "in history of modern music" part, but it was a fucking brilliant deal.

Yeah it was, but after Get Rich, all of his albums have fucking sucked donkey dick, so in another way it makes people maybe think that he's signed a rapper that went to shit, that always raps about the same things and has a million club songs. But then again I don't think Em gives a fuck there as he goes to the bank cashing his money that he makes solely from Fif, because even though The Massacre was like the worst fuckin album ever made in hip hop, it still sold like what, 9 mil world wide? Fuckin disgrace to hip hop.

[BigBangBazinga]

Thanks for your answer Revolutionary. jk bro. I have to totally disagree here though. Have you ever listened to Slaughterhouse? And to add to that, have you ever listened to the solo shit of Joe Budden, Crooked I & Joell Ortiz (because I know you've listened to a ton of Royce shit, mostly from his affiliation/songs with Em)? They are 4 separate entities. They have 4 different fanbases. And they are way way doper individually, and without a doubt as a group, than Obie Trice was or is. And Hip hop groups generally do well promotion wise too. Wu-Tang I don't even have to explain the argument there. Probably the best hip hop group ever. The 4 Four Horseman. Just 4 totally sick lyricists right there as well, and I know their are some more. Edit: D12. Being Eminem's boys is all the promotion they needed. If a girl thought that Eminem was hot and loved his music on top of it, and if she never heard a D12 song she might still buy both albums just based off of Eminem obviously.

Yeah, I've heard SH and they're dope as fuck! I think I've only heard Crooked I solo and he's dope as fuck aswell. But that's not what I'm saying. Of course Em will make money of the SH deal but not enough to call it a good business deal. I don't have a crystal ball so I can't say that this WILL be the case, but I just can't see them doing great numbers.

[Wreck]

Why do you think signing Slaughterhouse is/will be a bad move? SH is fuckin dope to me but I'm interested in your opinion on this. And people we don't know yet that SH OFFICIALLY signed, but it's safe to say we know they are going to once the fuckin paperwork is finally done .

Nah i didn't mean it was a bad move. I mean that it was obvious he is going to sign them.
P.S Em doesn't promote his own album(maybe he doesn't need to) so how is he gonna manage to promote a group. Also he didn't manage to promote Obie so much, he did a few things but other than that, nothing.

Eminem a lot of times promotes upcoming releases or artists on his label through his songs. "And don't worry bout that Detox album; it's comin. We gone make Dre do it- Encore."

But yeah you do have a legit point there. And Em will promote SH in some way believe me. Royce is his cloest pal. They will be on radio shows I'm sure, during interviews, freestyles, promotions, etc. on a number of radio stations and shows this year I bet. At least I hope they do that, but it's a given if they put their album out on Shady this year, whenever it may come out, that Em will be doing something with them like that to remind people that the release is near. And if he doesn't do that, SH are big boys. Their's 4 of em, compared to 1 artist where the 1 artist has a lot more promoting on their plate before a album gets released. Joe Budden posts on Joebuddentv.com's forums, I go there fyi- he has a huge fanbase online like all of them do. Obviously we have social media, Facebook, myspace even, and twitter which every one of them uses, and Royce has been on Rap Basement recently too as well. Don't worry about their promotion because I will definitely have a copy of that album as well and I know a bunch of people on here that will go out and buy it too.

[BigBangBazinga]

Both yes and no. Of course I'm not being serious about the "in history of modern music" part, but it was a fucking brilliant deal.

Yeah it was, but after Get Rich, all of his albums have fucking sucked donkey dick, so in another way it makes people maybe think that he's signed a rapper that went to shit, that always raps about the same things and has a million club songs. But then again I don't think Em gives a fuck there as he goes to the bank cashing his money that he makes solely from Fif, because even though The Massacre was like the worst fuckin album ever made in hip hop, it still sold like what, 9 mil world wide? Fuckin disgrace to hip hop.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Whether you like 50 or not (I do) you can't deny Em and Dre made and still makes a ridiculous amount of money off of him.

[Wreck]

Thanks for your answer Revolutionary. jk bro. I have to totally disagree here though. Have you ever listened to Slaughterhouse? And to add to that, have you ever listened to the solo shit of Joe Budden, Crooked I & Joell Ortiz (because I know you've listened to a ton of Royce shit, mostly from his affiliation/songs with Em)? They are 4 separate entities. They have 4 different fanbases. And they are way way doper individually, and without a doubt as a group, than Obie Trice was or is. And Hip hop groups generally do well promotion wise too. Wu-Tang I don't even have to explain the argument there. Probably the best hip hop group ever. The 4 Four Horseman. Just 4 totally sick lyricists right there as well, and I know their are some more. Edit: D12. Being Eminem's boys is all the promotion they needed. If a girl thought that Eminem was hot and loved his music on top of it, and if she never heard a D12 song she might still buy both albums just based off of Eminem obviously.

Yeah, I've heard SH and they're dope as fuck! I think I've only heard Crooked I solo and he's dope as fuck aswell. But that's not what I'm saying. Of course Em will make money of the SH deal but not enough to call it a good business deal. I don't have a crystal ball so I can't say that this WILL be the case, but I just can't see them doing great numbers.

You gotta download Crooked's Hip Hop Weekly series bro, it's sick as hell. He released a song every week for a number of months multiple times, and they were mostly over industry beats, like one of the songs he did for the first HHW was over the Straight To The Bank beat, but he goes hard lyrically every time, no matter the project . And since you've only heard his solo shit bump Joey and Joell as well; believe me, they're fantastic lyrically as well. Youtube Move on by slaughterhouse, microphone by slaughterhouse, broken wings by joe budden, who parts 1, 2 & 3 by joey and any of joell's recent shit. See most people that haven't heard Joey spit only know him and refer to him as the whack, one hit wonder dude that had that only had that one hot song pump it up, and maybe some people fire ft. busta rhymes as well, but they're wrong. that's just people being lazy, or not fully knowing him, and not looking up his real music, not the watered down shit def jam made him put out.

[Wreck]

Both yes and no. Of course I'm not being serious about the "in history of modern music" part, but it was a fucking brilliant deal.

Yeah it was, but after Get Rich, all of his albums have fucking sucked donkey dick, so in another way it makes people maybe think that he's signed a rapper that went to shit, that always raps about the same things and has a million club songs. But then again I don't think Em gives a fuck there as he goes to the bank cashing his money that he makes solely from Fif, because even though The Massacre was like the worst fuckin album ever made in hip hop, it still sold like what, 9 mil world wide? Fuckin disgrace to hip hop.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Whether you like 50 or not (I do) you can't deny Em and Dre made and still makes a ridiculous amount of money off of him.

Yeah exactly. Like in Straight To The Bank when 50 says

"When I made 50 mil Em got paid. When I made 60 mil Dre got paid. When I made 80 mil Jimmy got paid."

& Em refers to 50 making him a shit load of money too in a bunch of his lines. I think he mentions him going to number one after them signing him, in Ricky Ticky Toc too.