Em needs to simplify it moving forward.

[NicoleEM]

'bipolar" lines from all she wrote are examples of bad punchlines

I'm on my straight grizzly so why would I buy you a gay ass teddy bear bitch you're already bi-polar.

If that's bad wordplay, I don't know what's good for you. That's easily a Despicable-level line.

Don't think it's about bad wordplay,as it's about him screaming those words out,which after a few listens can be annoying (for some ppl).Just like some hated the accent on Relapse even tho they liked his storytelling .

I think Em needs to fight the RIGHT balance between the two. Almost Famous is the best example. A lyrical juggernaut of a song that's packed with punchlines and metaphors, but it also does storytelling incredibly well. I want more of that.

This pretty much sums it up.

[Master Chief]

I disagree. The way he's writing now with the crazy deep metaphors, breaking words in half to separate multi's, mispronouncing words to add meanings to them, this all shows how far ahead he is as not only a lyricist but a master of the language.

And he's a great producer as well, he knows he has to yell to stay above some of the beats he gets on. That's totally intentional, and I personally love it. It shows intensity, as if everything he's spitting is an adrenaline rush for him.

I hate listening to people like Tupac because they sound the same. Waaaay too layed back. Em is into his music and he lets it show. He has a super powerful voice, and a genius mind. And you're saying he needs to put all of that on the shelf to move forward? That is by very definition regressing.

'bipolar" lines from all she wrote are examples of bad punchlines

I'm on my straight grizzly so why would I buy you a gay ass teddy bear bitch you're already bi-polar.

If that's bad wordplay, I don't know what's good for you. That's easily a Despicable-level line.

Are you saying that today's Eminem is a better at rhyming than the SSLP Eminem or am I misinterpreting something?

[mdemaz]

he needs to be keep doin his thing.

[cocaine2011]

he needs to be keep doin his thing.

[Sebizzle]

And he's a great producer as well, he knows he has to yell to stay above some of the beats he gets on. That's totally intentional, and I personally love it. It shows intensity, as if everything he's spitting is an adrenaline rush for him.

he didnt need the yell to stay above any of the beats he got on before recovery
he used to be able to have intensity and emotion without just screaming the entire time
yeah u might consider some songs (till i collapse) to be yelling, but it didnt sound as forced back then

[Elision]

I disagree. The way he's writing now with the crazy deep metaphors, breaking words in half to separate multi's, mispronouncing words to add meanings to them, this all shows how far ahead he is as not only a lyricist but a master of the language.

And he's a great producer as well, he knows he has to yell to stay above some of the beats he gets on. That's totally intentional, and I personally love it. It shows intensity, as if everything he's spitting is an adrenaline rush for him.

I hate listening to people like Tupac because they sound the same. Waaaay too layed back. Em is into his music and he lets it show. He has a super powerful voice, and a genius mind. And you're saying he needs to put all of that on the shelf to move forward? That is by very definition regressing.

'bipolar" lines from all she wrote are examples of bad punchlines

I'm on my straight grizzly so why would I buy you a gay ass teddy bear bitch you're already bi-polar.

If that's bad wordplay, I don't know what's good for you. That's easily a Despicable-level line.

Are you saying that today's Eminem is a better at rhyming than the SSLP Eminem or am I misinterpreting something?

That's not even a question. That's exactly what I'm saying.

Name something from back then that's better than say, Stay Wide Awake.

[Sebizzle]

I disagree. The way he's writing now with the crazy deep metaphors, breaking words in half to separate multi's, mispronouncing words to add meanings to them, this all shows how far ahead he is as not only a lyricist but a master of the language.

And he's a great producer as well, he knows he has to yell to stay above some of the beats he gets on. That's totally intentional, and I personally love it. It shows intensity, as if everything he's spitting is an adrenaline rush for him.

That's not even a question. That's exactly what I'm saying.

Name something from back then that's better than say, Stay Wide Awake.

1. "Public Service Announcement" 0:33
2. "My Name Is" Dr. Dre 4:28
3. "Guilty Conscience" (featuring Dr. Dre) Mathers, Young Dr. Dre, Eminem 3:19
4. "Brain Damage" Mathers, Jeff Bass, Mark Bass Bass Brothers, Eminem 3:46
5. "Paul" (skit) (performed by Paul Rosenberg) 0:15
6. "If I Had" Mathers, J. Bass, M. Bass Bass Brothers, Eminem 4:05
7. "'97 Bonnie & Clyde" Mathers, J. Bass, M. Bass Bass Brothers, Eminem 5:16
8. "Bitch" (skit) 0:19
9. "Role Model" Mathers, Young, Melvin Breeden Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 3:25
10. "Lounge" (skit) 0:46
11. "My Fault" Mathers, J. Bass, M. Bass Bass Brothers, Eminem 4:01
12. "Ken Kaniff" (skit) 1:16
13. "Cum On Everybody" (featuring Dina Rae) Mathers, J. Bass, M. Bass Bass Brothers, Eminem 3:39
14. "Rock Bottom" Mathers, J. Bass, M. Bass Bass Brothers 3:34
15. "Just Don't Give a Fuck" Mathers, J. Bass, M. Bass Bass Brothers, Eminem 4:02
16. "Soap" (skit) 0:34
17. "As the World Turns" Mathers, J. Bass, M. Bass Bass Brothers, Eminem 4:25
18. "I'm Shady" Mathers, J. Bass, M. Bass Bass Brothers, Eminem 3:31
19. "Bad Meets Evil" (featuring Royce da 5'9") Mathers, J. Bass, M. Bass Bass Brothers, Eminem 4:13
20. "Still Don't Give a Fuck"

1. "Public Service Announcement 2000" 0:25
2. "Kill You" Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 4:24
3. "Stan" (feat. Dido) The 45 King, Eminem (co) 6:44
4. "Paul" (skit) 0:11
5. "Who Knew" Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 3:48
6. "Steve Berman" (skit) 0:54
7. "The Way I Am" Eminem 4:50
8. "The Real Slim Shady" Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 4:44
9. "Remember Me?" (feat. RBX & Sticky Fingaz) Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 3:38
10. "I'm Back" Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 5:09
11. "Marshall Mathers" Bass Brothers, Eminem 5:20
12. "Ken Kaniff" (skit) 1:02
13. "Drug Ballad" Bass Brothers, Eminem 5:00
14. "Amityville" (feat. Bizarre) Bass Brothers 4:14
15. "Bitch Please II" (feat. Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Xzibit & Nate Dogg) Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 4:47
16. "Kim" ("The Kids" on clean version) Bass Brothers 6:18
17. "Under the Influence" (feat. D12) Bass Brothers, Eminem 5:22
18. "Criminal"

1. "Curtains Up" (skit) Eminem 0:30
2. "White America" M. Mathers, J. Bass, L. Resto, Steve King Eminem, J. Bass 5:24
3. "Business" (featuring Dr. Dre) M. Mathers, A. Young, R. Feemster, M. Elizondo Dr. Dre 4:11
4. "Cleanin' Out My Closet" M. Mathers, J. Bass Eminem, J. Bass 4:58
5. "Square Dance" M. Mathers, J. Bass, L. Resto Eminem 5:24
6. "The Kiss" (skit) M. Mathers, J. Bass Eminem 1:16
7. "Soldier" M. Mathers, L. Resto Eminem 3:46
8. "Say Goodbye Hollywood" M. Mathers, M. Elizondo, L. Resto Eminem 4:33
9. "Drips" (featuring Obie Trice) M. Mathers, O. Trice, D. Porter, J. Bass Eminem 4:45
10. "Without Me" M. Mathers Eminem 4:50
11. "Paul Rosenberg" (skit) 0:23
12. "Sing for the Moment" (featuring Joe Perry) S. Tyler, M. Mathers, J. Bass, L. Resto, S. King Eminem, J. Bass 5:40
13. "Superman" (featuring Dina Rae) M. Mathers, J. Bass, S. King Eminem, J. Bass 5:50
14. "Hailie's Song" M. Mathers, L. Resto Eminem 5:21
15. "Steve Berman" (skit) 0:33
16. "When the Music Stops" (featuring D12) M. Mathers, O. Moore, D. Porter, V. Carlisle, R. Johnson, R. Feemster Eminem, D. Porter 4:29
17. "Say What You Say" (featuring Dr. Dre) M. Mathers, A. Young, R. Feemster, M. Elizondo Dr. Dre 5:09
18. "Till I Collapse" (featuring Nate Dogg) M. Mathers, N. Hale, C. Jackson, L. Resto, Eminem 4:57
19. "My Dad's Gone Crazy" (featuring Hailie Jade) M. Mathers, A. Young, R. Feemster, M. Elizondo Dr. Dre 4:28
20. "Curtains Close" (skit)

[Elision]

Amadeo, you clearly didn't read what I was responding to with my 2nd quote of yours. He's saying that his rhyming from 10 years ago is better than Relapse. Which is simple not true. He has no song with more multi's that Stay Wide Awake (and that's just for starters).

[EminemInsider]

Did you actually COUNT the multis, or are you just talking out of your ass?

Regardless, quite a bit of Stay Wide Awake is forced...not to mention the content can go just about anywhere because he's not actually trying to tell a vivid story based on exaggerated reality, as he did in Brain Damage (which also makes some subtle points about the school system as well).

It's quality, not quantity. SSLP Eminem had multis all over the place and they were crisp and brilliant. Stay Wide Awake may have more syllables per multi, but it's not nearly as crisp or as detailed (I still notice new things in Eminem's old songs to this day..."Mr. Mathers/just for that stunt," for example.

[Emadyville]

^^ or rock bottoms

[Elision]

I can't believe I'm the only one who thinks Em has improved

[missangie]

I don't think he's gotten better or worse... just different. Though I hope he'll go back to the old story telling ways, I don't think he will, at least not as good as the SLLP tracks. I'll still listen to whatever he puts out though, since it's at least better than most mainstream rap nowadays.

[xnoxiousx]

:facepalm I can't believe I'm the only one who thinks Em has improved

Maybe you just started listening to him?

90% of people i know who like him all say he was best during 1999-2003

I loved the 8 mile sound track had really great story telling but encore was the falling point of him.

[shadyboymez]

he needs to go back to being Eminem. he is trying too hard with Recovery to adapt to the styles of the game right now, but that is just not who he is. Eminem has always been known for going above and beyond and giving himself his own name. SSLP, MMLP, Eminem Show all do that, as well as his work on 8 Mile. He has to stop caring what people think and just make good music, unless he can't do that anymore. Recovery is good, but not Eminem good

[Elision]

:facepalm I can't believe I'm the only one who thinks Em has improved

Maybe you just started listening to him?

90% of people i know who like him all say he was best during 1999-2003

I loved the 8 mile sound track had really great story telling but encore was the falling point of him.

I've been listening to Em since 1999.

And I'm done here. I've accepted the fact that nobody else thinks Em has made any improvement as a lyricist. The guy could cure cancer and people would find a way to bitch about it.