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Re: Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

Postby j1234v » Feb 2nd, '11, 17:05

Satans_Chef wrote:
j1234v wrote:dance with the devil by immortal is just amazing in its own really creepy kinda way...kinda like some eminem songs (some relapse songs...kim...)

One of my favorite tracks of all time.

As an overall artist Eminem is better than Immortal Technique, although I do not agree with everything IT says on some tracks I can relate to and I enjoy political hip hop tracks. He has a strong message but sometimes he pushes the Illuminati shit to far. Right now I prefer Lowkey over him(Guy who was on the Voice of the Voiceless track with Immortal Tech).

I always enjoyed hearing this speech/track from IT.


same here...definitely prefer eminem over IT but I can definitely see some similarites
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Re: Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

Postby MikeNUFC » Feb 2nd, '11, 17:17

Eminem. It's not even close.

I used to think IT was pretty good, but I don't know why - I cant stand his flow and breath control, absolutely dreadful. And he's hardly an amazing lyricist.

Satans_Chef wrote:Right now I prefer Lowkey over him(Guy who was on the Voice of the Voiceless track with Immortal Tech).

I know it wasn't about who murdered who, but Lowkey absolutey destroyed him on Voice Of The Voiceless.

Lowkey is the kind of political rapper I love. He makes it so much more interesting than someone like IT. Plus he deals with stuff on a much more social level (first few lines of Terrorist), while still keeping it in a political, broad context. (And still rhyming incredibly, of course).
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Re: Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

Postby xxTrigger1989xx » Feb 2nd, '11, 17:44

Eminem makes way better music than Immortal Technique. But IT is extremely talented, a lyrical monster, but I can't enjoy every IT song like I pretty much do with Eminem's music. As far as skill, Em at his prime rips IT apart (not saying back in the old days, I'm saying when he's on top of his game)
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Re: Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Feb 2nd, '11, 18:55

Immortal Technique is a good rapper.

BUT HE IS SO FUCKING "ONE DIMENSIONAL" IT IS NOT EVEN FUNNY.

Em can flow so fucking better.

Technique cant think of the rhymes that eminem has.

its not even funny who is the better rapper.
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Re: Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

Postby Trimss » Feb 2nd, '11, 18:58

Technique has a loooot of good concepts and shit, he's not bad at all but he's a little too much into his theories.
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Re: Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

Postby Elision » Feb 2nd, '11, 19:27

Trimss wrote:Technique has a loooot of good concepts and shit, he's not bad at all but he's a little too much into his theories.
Well a lot of people tend to think he's a rapper first. He's actually a public speaker. He just uses rap as another way of getting his message across.
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Re: Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

Postby whiteamerica » Feb 2nd, '11, 23:55

some of you seem to think that eminem's multis are MUCH better? i think it's actually VERY close. although i will agree with some of you who said IT is one demensional. dance with the devil is definitely a powerful song. just as much if not more than some of eminem's emotional stuff (stan, kim, going through changes, etc.)

Dance with the devil got me shaking at the end like going through changes did. i feel like in order to connect with a lot of em's emotional stuff you gotta be a stan and know all about him. Also Tech is not a sell out. which boosts him way up
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Re: Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

Postby Solace » Feb 3rd, '11, 00:46

He's okay. I think his flow is horrible though.
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Re: Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

Postby whiteamerica » Feb 3rd, '11, 00:46

Amadeo wrote:What a load of crap.

Eminem's multis are much, much better than Immortal Technique's.

Immortal Technique is an idiot who will forever remain in the underground because:

A) he's stupid enough to burn all bridges with major labels by dissing them all the time

B) he's not talented enough

C) to the people outside of his fanbase, he's just white noise, one of the many idiotic voices yelling "Government did 9/11!" without any evidence to back it up. No, the tone of your voice, the cuss words you use, or audio clips of Bush talking, won't convince me.

Sometimes rappers are underground for a reason. Immortal Technique is a good example.


First of all it is VERY clear that tech has no interest in going mainstream. Second you're only considering eminem's best shit and it is likely you haven't heard much of tech's stuff. Technique is MUCH MUCH MUCH more consistent than eminem. only about half of eminem's shit is high quality, the other half serves to make his higher quality shit look better..... don't get me wrong i<3eminem and he's the only rapper i can say i've listened to inside and out and i think it's safe to say that nobody with an open mind would think to call him the best of all time
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Re: Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

Postby dead prez » Feb 3rd, '11, 01:00

whiteamerica wrote:First of all it is VERY clear that tech has no interest in going mainstream.


Obviously

Second you're only considering eminem's best shit and it is likely you haven't heard much of tech's stuff.



Posioning the well, not that it should matter as most of Technique's shit is atrocious white noise bawwing about conspiracy.

Technique is MUCH MUCH MUCH more consistent than eminem.


He has three albums in about ten years... Yeah I wouldn't say that.
only about half of eminem's shit is high quality,

Three high quality albums all in about a year apart from each other vs three decent albums in a 10 year period.
the other half serves to make his higher quality shit look better..... don't get me wrong i<3eminem and he's the only rapper i can say i've listened to inside and out and i think it's safe to say that nobody with an open mind would think to call him the best of all time

I don't but he's way better than I.T.

Oh and Dead prez>>>>>I.T. if you want political hip hop.
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Re: Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

Postby whiteamerica » Feb 3rd, '11, 01:05

but you can't just disregard all of the shit he's put out since 04....
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Re: Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

Postby NicoleEM » Feb 3rd, '11, 01:13

I love IT but he can get boring at times,i can't listen to him all day like i can with Eminem.So..it's not even a fair battle lol.Eminem for the win :coffee:
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Re: Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

Postby whiteamerica » Feb 3rd, '11, 01:18

Amadeo wrote:Encore and Re-Up were made by someone who wasn't Eminem.

Any album that is written/recorded by someone who is drunk/high on pills will be awful.

When you're sober, you drive well. When you're drunk/high, you drive AWFULLY. How do people not see this?

Relapse and Recovery are both good albums and both much better than anything Immortal Technique has done.


....... he was always on drugs

eminem just sold out that's all. he's dead and gone imo.... he'll never be as good as before.
Collab with Lil wayne???!?!!!!!!

we can all hope though that joe budden whips him back into shape and ends these bs features
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Re: Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

Postby stillmatic » Feb 3rd, '11, 01:18

Amadeo wrote:Immortal Technique is an idiot who will forever remain in the underground because:

A) he's stupid enough to burn all bridges with major labels by dissing them all the time

B) he's not talented enough

C) to the people outside of his fanbase, he's just white noise, one of the many idiotic voices yelling "Government did 9/11!" without any evidence to back it up. No, the tone of your voice, the cuss words you use, or audio clips of Bush talking, won't convince me.

Sometimes rappers are underground for a reason. Immortal Technique is a good example.


Not every rapper intends to be on the mainstream. Immortal Technique's music would never be given the proper treatment in the mainstream too, this isn't no Bob Marley music, it is Public Enemy on acid making music.

As for your points

A) Burn his bridges? That only applies if he had any intention to do any business with them in the first place. Universal and Warner Music have still offered him record deals however, which just goes to show they don't really care about anything other than money. Immortal Technique makes more money than the vast majority rappers on major labels, because as through Viper he runs how the compact disc is handled and he recoups the majority of the fee, and given his loyal fanbase, that as well as his huge touring recepits from so many countries worldwide makes him amongst the top earners in hip hop if you adjust the earnings and put them in perspective. Tech N9 is indeed the same.

B) Not talented enough? Why ? Because you say so? The rhyme schemes and delivery he has in his songs put him amongst the creme de la creme of hip hop when it comes to talent. There's no heavy beats at play here, no big hooks here, no autotune here, no dance music here, no lovey dovey love music here. It's pure talent and has co-signs from those who are the heart of Hip Hop history, such as Chuck D and KRS One. Chuck and KRS know a little about talent, so forgive me if I side with them here.

C) To anyone outside of their base they're just white noise. Just as Eminem is white noise and is just another idiotic homophobic misogynist rapper, just as Nas is another black male who encourages violence, just as Tupac is another thug who encourages drug use and crime, just as Jay-Z is another pretender who talks about nothing but money. You wanna see what the common denominator here is? That the perception of these people outside of their fanbase is bullshit. So thanks for contributing to that. Your analysis of Technique fits right above with those perceptions. You hear one or two songs and make a judgment without having any proper understanding of the artists music and what they're talking about. Perhaps you can't understand the intelligence in Technique's rhymes, perhaps you don't relate to what he's saying, because for one it's nothing at all but just simple accusations.

What some people fail to realize is that some artists intend to be one-dimensional. Immortal Technique is that type of rapper. For example, you think KRS One turned from a rapper with street rhymes like Criminam Minded to a rapper who discusses afrocentricity and socio-political knowledge in Edutainment? Did he somehow forget his street savy lyrics overnight? Of course not, it's because chose a new direction to take. It was his movement that we wanted to focus on. You think he couldn't write songs like he did before because Monday turned into Tuesday and 1990 turned into 1991? Of course not. Technique is the same, he's shown he has the capacity to do different type of songs. But he sees the bigger purpose, he sees he's more than just a rapper here.. He's a teacher, so he chooses to focus on the one aspect of his music that gives him the most satisfaction.
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Re: Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

Postby whiteamerica » Feb 3rd, '11, 01:21

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