Take From Me??

[Blake]

in that case i hope slaughterhouse never blows up

[James Deuce]

Koolo getting a dedication song from Em. Fuck yeah.

Thought the same thing.

[richard]

BTW is that girl on the hook the same as the one on Furiously Dangerous?

yes.

[Master Chief]

"Im done with this shit I might as well wipe."
Only bad part of the song.

Indeed.

[Mahmoud48]

"Im done with this shit I might as well wipe."
Only bad part of the song.

why wouldnt he wipe after he shits?

[KieranLewisEM]

Anyone who thinks this song is about anyone specific needs to look at the lyrics and or listen carefully. Talking about leaks in general and the people stealing his music.

[ShadyVsEminem]

Video with lyrics on screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3obzKfsSvmA

[Emadyville]

Koolo getting a dedication song from Em. Fuck yeah.

Post of the year nominee

[shadygeneral]

Anyone notice or remember that Koolo leaked the beginning of this song back when all the leaks were going on? He put the DL link on twitter long ago to get Royce's attention

[OMEGA]

The last few lines of this song are powerful. It sounds as if Em's last goal for hip-hop is to make Slaughterhouse blow up and deliver a classic with their Shady album.

[EminemBase]

My thoughts on downloading and 'stealing' music...

Downloading a digital copy is not equivalent to stealing a physical copy from a store.

If you steal a physical copy from a store, there's a causal chain. The store stocks a certain amount of X product and thus expects to sell X amount to make X profit. If items are taken, without being paid for, they lose profit / the artist loses a CD, with no profit.

Now, obviously that happens on such a minescule scale that it's insignificant.

Thing is, when you download a digital copy - you're downloading a digital reprint of a music file. You're not taking an item or actual produce that would otherwise cost. It would only cost THEORETICALLY, if you were to go and buy the physical item.

But you're not actually 'deducting' anything from anybody. So it's nonsense when people compare the two like it's black and white and they're one in the same.

Also, if people are going to buy the album anyway, they'll buy it (providing it's to their liking). So all this does is give people a fair preview of the album. As a lot of sales are manipulated aka corporations lining up boy bands and designing hit trend singles and images to appeal to young girls and the music is generic trash. So with downloading / leaks, it stops the suits at the top being able to have such a whale of a time exploiting demographics who will blindly buy CDs off a single or two.

Would you buy a car without a test drive? or to extend the metaphor, if we consider the 'preview' the single(s) prior to the album release. That's one track from an album of say 15. So, a very small part of the album...

So, if somebody were selling you a car and had it covered up, and you asked to take it for a test drive or look under the bonnet, would you be satisfied if they just showed you a glimpse of a headlight? or let you see the boot.

And, if people WEREN'T going to buy it aka aren't the type to spend money on music or physical produce anyway - again, they WOULDN'T have bought it anyway so therefore they're not losing their 'sale' either.

I think what's truly happening is this:
- music now leaks prior to the album release meaning people can listen to all the material before they decide to buy the album.
- crap albums aka MOST of all genres get 'found out' and don't live up to that catchy 1st single, so, people decide to not buy the album.

And because MOST of anything is generic or unspectacular, with only an elite in any field making any truly long-lasting, major-scale impact: the 'most' that used to sell from singles alone, no longer sell. As people can hear the bullshit before buying now.

Which is why they now look to singular artists like Em and GaGa to keep the entire fucking industry afloat. And they all act like it's one giant mystery why they keep selling and others don't. It's very fucking simple: THEY MAKE GOOD MUSIC. They also connect with their fans, oh and - I'm not even a fan or know anything about Lady GaGa but she clearly is artistic and puts herself into her music so I can see instantly why she sells. And why others don't.

And there you have an explanation for the record industry's decline. It's not just that 'leaks' in themselves cause a 'decline'. You need to examine it properly. Because notice how after 12 years of being signed to a major label... Em's, SIXTH major album (Recovery) sold 750k in its 1st week, even in this supposed 'dire' age of the record business.

Also, if hearing a digital copy of the music is 'stealing' then you're also stealing if you hear the CD at a friend's house, if you hear the tracks in a club or even if you hear them in a car driving past. Is hearing sound stealing now?

A free download gives you a free preview. It's not the physical item, total experience, end result or actual produce and no profit chain is directly linked therefore, it's not stealing it. It's borrowing.

He sold more than what most new artists sold in their debut or sophmore album weeks in the 90s. On his sixth major album in 2010. That says it all.

The reason he keeps selling and Kanye is another great example is because they create full albums. They don't create a song or two and slam a bunch of filler tracks on there hoping they can just exploit gullibility for the sake of $$. They're artists.

So, they care about every song and put full effort into the whole album. So when people get the leak, most genuine fans are still pleased or happy with the effort put in and would like to own the CD for their collection so therefore buy the CD.

So this nonsense about leaking blindly derailing an artist's payday or it being the sole cause or true cause of sales declines simply isn't true. It's part of it, but the sales declines for most, are as an upshot of it. If you make good music, people will buy it. Because generally speaking, people want to buy good music if they feel it's worth it.

Which is why I consider leaking a good thing. As it makes it fair game in terms of 'previewing' material before people decide to buy and it also makes artists stay on their toes and not think they can just lazily slap slop together and have it shift boat-loads and it stops executives being able to buck trends and exploit people in the same manner.

It's all about the perspective you put on it. And whilst I always do buy albums when I wish to own them for my collection, albums leaking early is really quite a good thing in terms of keeping the quality control there. When you shift the perspective, and take your focus off the industry's cries and complaints of "give us money!!!!". Just look at the reality of it.

Oh, and I think Em's verse was great.

[FireMarshall]

The intro to his verse was off beat at first but he ended it nicely.

[richard]

I'm VERY interested in this topic so I'm just going to add my comments...

My thoughts on downloading and 'stealing' music...

Downloading a digital copy is not equivalent to stealing a physical copy from a store.

If you steal a physical copy from a store, there's a causal chain. The store stocks a certain amount of X product and thus expects to sell X amount to make X profit. If items are taken, without being paid for, they lose profit / the artist loses a CD, with no profit.

Now, obviously that happens on such a minescule scale that it's insignificant.

Thing is, when you download a digital copy - you're downloading a digital reprint of a music file. You're not taking an item or actual produce that would otherwise cost. It would only cost THEORETICALLY, if you were to go and buy the physical item.

But you're not actually 'deducting' anything from anybody. So it's nonsense when people compare the two like it's black and white and they're one in the same.

Though I agree that these are not one in the same, there is still a 'deduction', and that is simply taking the music. It is a product despite the fact that it is intangible. It's similar to when companies steal each other's intellectual property or trade secrets...further, an illegally downloaded copy could easily be bought via iTunes/Amazon/whatever, and over the past few years, projections have come to take this into consideration.

Also, if people are going to buy the album anyway, they'll buy it (providing it's to their liking). So all this does is give people a fair preview of the album. As a lot of sales are manipulated aka corporations lining up boy bands and designing hit trend singles and images to appeal to young girls and the music is generic trash. So with downloading / leaks, it stops the suits at the top being able to have such a whale of a time exploiting demographics who will blindly buy CDs off a single or two.

Unfortunately it may also stop the songwriters who wrote the songs from receiving proper royalties, depending on their agreement with the record label. Regardless, overtime, if the label can't afford to pay for this, then this can't happen - which it seems you may prefer, but many do enjoy that generic trash music and I think it's important to consider it.

Would you buy a car without a test drive? or to extend the metaphor, if we consider the 'preview' the single(s) prior to the album release. That's one track from an album of say 15. So, a very small part of the album...

So, if somebody were selling you a car and had it covered up, and you asked to take it for a test drive or look under the bonnet, would you be satisfied if they just showed you a glimpse of a headlight? or let you see the boot.

A bit of an exaggerated metaphor. I've bought many CDs without even hearing a first single (most recently, the Slaughterhouse EP), and many people will do this as well...though you bring a good point in that the first single method is ineffective in terms of setting expectations for the consumer - because the first single will often be one of the songs with the most mainstream appeal.

And, if people WEREN'T going to buy it aka aren't the type to spend money on music or physical produce anyway - again, they WOULDN'T have bought it anyway so therefore they're not losing their 'sale' either.

Hard to say with certainty. I do illegally download some music, but if I absolutely couldn't possibly do it (through some sort of anti-piracy mechanism which I know will never exist...), I would definitely be buying a lot more music. It will never be that way though, so this is just hypothetical.

I think what's truly happening is this:
- music now leaks prior to the album release meaning people can listen to all the material before they decide to buy the album.
- crap albums aka MOST of all genres get 'found out' and don't live up to that catchy 1st single, so, people decide to not buy the album.

And because MOST of anything is generic or unspectacular, with only an elite in any field making any truly long-lasting, major-scale impact: the 'most' that used to sell from singles alone, no longer sell. As people can hear the bullshit before buying now.

I've noticed this as well, and I think it's probably the best possible direction this whole downloading/piracy/music sales thing can be going right now. Though I'm unsure about the future impact if this trend really ends up dominating...having fewer artists with so much more power. An oligopoly, kind of...

Which is why they now look to singular artists like Em and GaGa to keep the entire fucking industry afloat. And they all act like it's one giant mystery why they keep selling and others don't. It's very fucking simple: THEY MAKE GOOD MUSIC. They also connect with their fans, oh and - I'm not even a fan or know anything about Lady GaGa but she clearly is artistic and puts herself into her music so I can see instantly why she sells. And why others don't.

Agreed.

And there you have an explanation for the record industry's decline. It's not just that 'leaks' in themselves cause a 'decline'. You need to examine it properly. Because notice how after 12 years of being signed to a major label... Em's, SIXTH major album (Recovery) sold 750k in its 1st week, even in this supposed 'dire' age of the record business.

Though an impressive feat, you have to wonder how MMLP sold 1.76 million in it's debut week...downloading was not nearly as widespread then. The year-over-year sales declines in the music industry are ridiculous.

Interestingly enough, and pertinent to your previous point...rap music was the only genre to report an increase in sales last year, up 3%...wouldn't have happened without 'Recovery' and Drake's 'Thank Me Later'.

Also, if hearing a digital copy of the music is 'stealing' then you're also stealing if you hear the CD at a friend's house, if you hear the tracks in a club or even if you hear them in a car driving past. Is hearing sound stealing now?

This is when record label executives become fucking morons.

A free download gives you a free preview. It's not the physical item, total experience, end result or actual produce and no profit chain is directly linked therefore, it's not stealing it. It's borrowing.

Still disagree with this...music is art like any other art form, just intangible due to computers/MP3 and all.

He sold more than what most new artists sold in their debut or sophmore album weeks in the 90s. On his sixth major album in 2010. That says it all.

The reason he keeps selling and Kanye is another great example is because they create full albums. They don't create a song or two and slam a bunch of filler tracks on there hoping they can just exploit gullibility for the sake of $$. They're artists.

Agreed. Both made great albums from start to finish.

So, they care about every song and put full effort into the whole album. So when people get the leak, most genuine fans are still pleased or happy with the effort put in and would like to own the CD for their collection so therefore buy the CD.

Unfortunately many will still keep their downloaded copy and never actually go out and buy the CD, or see the artist live. It's sad enough artists make so little from CD sales, but if the trend does continue as you previously stated, where people actually DO go out and buy these great albums, then piracy wouldn't be as big of a problem.

So this nonsense about leaking blindly derailing an artist's payday or it being the sole cause or true cause of sales declines simply isn't true. It's part of it, but the sales declines for most, are as an upshot of it. If you make good music, people will buy it. Because generally speaking, people want to buy good music if they feel it's worth it.

I wish I could say that's true. Perhaps you are living in a different part of the world but here in Canada, and definitely in the US, this is not always the case.

Which is why I consider leaking a good thing. As it makes it fair game in terms of 'previewing' material before people decide to buy and it also makes artists stay on their toes and not think they can just lazily slap slop together and have it shift boat-loads and it stops executives being able to buck trends and exploit people in the same manner.

I think a 30 second -1 minute clip on Amazon.com is a fair enough preview, and I think this may be a better alternative.

It's all about the perspective you put on it. And whilst I always do buy albums when I wish to own them for my collection, albums leaking early is really quite a good thing in terms of keeping the quality control there. When you shift the perspective, and take your focus off the industry's cries and complaints of "give us money!!!!". Just look at the reality of it.

Oh, and I think Em's verse was great.

Good on you.

[Full_Effect]

Dam i just actually listened to the song paid attention to everything he said, dude went deep makes me wanna find him and just give him a hug and tell him everything is going to be ok haha.

[Fa-Q]

First off, I'm buying the CD.

However, he is overacting. I remember he said himself that if it was possible, he would of downloaded music for free when he was a kid.

You're one of my favorite posters here, but to be fair...there is a difference between albums and shit leaking, and unreleased material that should have never been heard...you remember when Royce said Em was pissed, it probably wasn't a lie.

Agreed...I mean the only thing that leaked that was for an album was I Need A Doctor. I mean maybe he might have been mad about Difficult leaking