Reactions if a new artist released Relapse?

[trinell05]

As if someone else could be Eminem. The audacity.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

nobody can make relapse other than Em.

[BigBangBazinga]

nobody can make relapse other than Em.

You really thought that was worth posting?

And yes, I really thought that was worth asking.

[14Shots]

I think it'd get an overwhelmingly positive reaction. Or, a reaction of intrigue anyway. As it'd be totally strange and new. It was strange and new anyway but, because people are used to Eminem being extreme, and wanted a different style, it got bad treatment.

Almost every criticism I see of Eminem from critics these days is on the themes they think he 'should' be rapping about, or which Eminem they want.

That's bad criticism. As a critic, you should process, comprehend and judge what's put in front of you. Regardless. As little truly personal bias or opinion should come into the equation as possible. The more that does, the worse the criticism.

So, if you look at a lot of Relapse's mixed reviews, a lot of them were because the critic didn't think the album was fitting for a return, for Eminem, at this point. That's a CAREER criticism. You can't say the album is bad because you don't agree with his career direction lmao.

Think about it, if Relapse came out, as it is, let's say it was Em's first... I think it'd get a huge reaction. Because think of how tight the rhymes and flow are, and how 'out there' some of the visuals and little concepts are, and how descriptive and vivid the storytelling... people would be blown away. But they expect so much with Eminem. They know what he can do already.

So it gets harder and harder to impress. And the more you continue, the more people wrongly confuse material with career / image. Even if you HATE horrocore or the subject-matter of Relapse, as a critic - your job should be to understand the album's aim and decide, through as much logical justification as possible: how well the album achieved its aim(s) and in what way(s).

If you're judging a piece of art, especially one as abstract and over the top as Relapse, of such clear fictional nature... it's ridiculous and again, bad criticism to even consider Eminem as a PERSON. That's not relevant. All that is relevant is his CREATION. Not the artist that created it.

Can you imagine if Van Gough painted a new painting and a critic went "well, the three-dimensional interpretation is simply genius BUT... personally I wanted him to paint more flowers so... 1 out 5." It doesn't even matter if you dislike the subject-matter as a critic. If you take that into account, all you're doing is adding another spurious opinion among millions. And, we can all do that. I know you can't totally divorce yourself from taste, but you can objectively break something down and whether or not it achieves what it sets out to and how well it does. OUTSIDE of your taste.

So you could say, with Relapse... Em was aiming to indulge in character and spit vivid raps, and push his rhyming and flows to new greatness. And then ask yourself how well he did those things, and why he did / didn't achieve those things.

That said, Relapse is fucking awesome.

this entire post is ridiculously in point.

[I'mShady]

nobody can make relapse other than Em.

Can you get over that already...OKKKK no one can make it, but my post is hypothetical!!!

[EminemBase]

I think it'd get an overwhelmingly positive reaction. Or, a reaction of intrigue anyway. As it'd be totally strange and new. It was strange and new anyway but, because people are used to Eminem being extreme, and wanted a different style, it got bad treatment.

Almost every criticism I see of Eminem from critics these days is on the themes they think he 'should' be rapping about, or which Eminem they want.

That's bad criticism. As a critic, you should process, comprehend and judge what's put in front of you. Regardless. As little truly personal bias or opinion should come into the equation as possible. The more that does, the worse the criticism.

So, if you look at a lot of Relapse's mixed reviews, a lot of them were because the critic didn't think the album was fitting for a return, for Eminem, at this point. That's a CAREER criticism. You can't say the album is bad because you don't agree with his career direction lmao.

Think about it, if Relapse came out, as it is, let's say it was Em's first... I think it'd get a huge reaction. Because think of how tight the rhymes and flow are, and how 'out there' some of the visuals and little concepts are, and how descriptive and vivid the storytelling... people would be blown away. But they expect so much with Eminem. They know what he can do already.

So it gets harder and harder to impress. And the more you continue, the more people wrongly confuse material with career / image. Even if you HATE horrocore or the subject-matter of Relapse, as a critic - your job should be to understand the album's aim and decide, through as much logical justification as possible: how well the album achieved its aim(s) and in what way(s).

If you're judging a piece of art, especially one as abstract and over the top as Relapse, of such clear fictional nature... it's ridiculous and again, bad criticism to even consider Eminem as a PERSON. That's not relevant. All that is relevant is his CREATION. Not the artist that created it.

Can you imagine if Van Gough painted a new painting and a critic went "well, the three-dimensional interpretation is simply genius BUT... personally I wanted him to paint more flowers so... 1 out 5." It doesn't even matter if you dislike the subject-matter as a critic. If you take that into account, all you're doing is adding another spurious opinion among millions. And, we can all do that. I know you can't totally divorce yourself from taste, but you can objectively break something down and whether or not it achieves what it sets out to and how well it does. OUTSIDE of your taste.

So you could say, with Relapse... Em was aiming to indulge in character and spit vivid raps, and push his rhyming and flows to new greatness. And then ask yourself how well he did those things, and why he did / didn't achieve those things.

That said, Relapse is fucking awesome.

In other words, it will be received good

No.

As that's only one of the things said. And I didn't take the entire post to make that point.

I then went into criticism, the history and point of criticsm and themes, and subject-matter, and said quite a lot of other things. Other than that.

So once again, no.

[EminemBase]

No offense to Eminem or people who love Relapse, but if Relapse was Eminem's first album, he'd be a nobody.

The accent was not marketable at all.

But Eminem's weird high-pitched Shady voice which people found odd when he first came on the scene wasn't marketable at all either.

He would of been a success regardless I think, because he makes melodic music. He's always had a sense of melody and rhythm outside the bounds of most rappers.

He's like a musician who just can't play instruments. And, the songs on Relapse are incredibly catchy and bouncy, irrespective of subject-matter or his accent.

And it would of been such a weird, original sound I think it would of got attention. He obviously wouldn't be a gigantic mainstream success with it, but I honestly do not think he'd be a 'nobody'. The rhymes and presentation are too tight to ignore.

[Rollimeo]

I think that nobody else could get away with Relapse. Most people just can`t get over the accents so they don`t even hear the lyrics and flows and great rhyming.. Relapse is amazing. And I think if a new artist released Relapse, he would flop badly. Only Eminem can release that and get it to be successful.

alot of people can't get over swizz's voice yet he got quite a few fans and if he made a album as good as relapse he can gain a good following

[EminemBase]

This is just my opinion, but:

If Dr Dre popped in The Relapse EP, and heard the accent, he would have turned the EP off.

The "high-pitched" voice on The Slim Shady EP didn't bother Jimmy/Dre enough not to sign him (I'd wager that they even liked the voice)...which I think is the definition of marketability.

Yes but you don't know they liked the voice. And a lot of people hated it. And ideas, content and execution are much more important than a voice or tone. Dre was blown away by "97 Bonnie and Clyde", and Eminem's rhyming, and what he was saying.

Given how smart Dre is, I seriously do not think he'd be small-minded enough to turn it off if he was hearing such incredible rhymes and flows. He'd still notice the talent and think he could mold it into something big.

Plus, Dre probably loves Relapse, as Em does (just bad-mouths it to appease fans), as he worked on it and produced the entire thing. I don't think he'd want his name all over and highly credited to something he (Dre) thought was trash.

And I'm sure Em and Dre give each other their honest opinions.

Intelligent people see past facade or trivial things. An affected accent which you happen to find irritating, is trivial in comparison to the deeper talent at hand. An accent can be changed or simply, not used. What's important is the writing and delivery.

[EminemBase]

Yes, but was what Eminem was saying on Relapse even that interesting? Was there much content on Relapse (apart from My Mom/Deja Vu)?

He wasn't saying anything that interesting, as, it wasn't a social-commentary album or highly satirical set of concepts and ideas like some on The Slim Shady LP.

There aren't any songs on Relapse as brilliant/creative as '97 Bonnie & Clyde. I honestly don't think Relapse would've gone anywhere.

But, it's a different album with different aims. And "Same Song & Dance" alone is noteworthy enough. And even if it's just aimless slaughter, his descriptive writing and structure throughout is so tight and brilliant that the execution alone I think is incredible.

And, somebody with a detailed ear and appreciation for unique character like Dre would definitely appreciate it I think. There's so many little subtle nuances within his writing on it and he's totally immersed in character. He just loses himself (in the music).

We're only used to it as it's Eminem. Are you seriously telling me that back in 1999, with all the repetitive shit and cliche that was beginning to dwell, if Relapse came out and you heard the absolutely bizarre, bombastic sound of it and "Stay Wide Awake" and the vivid, incredibly tight lyricism that you wouldn't be intrigued or go 'this guy is something different'.

I can't imagine anybody hearing it for the first time not knowing Eminem and not at least being impressed and / or intrigued. Even if they dislike(d) it.

This is where our discussion gets totally ridiculous (probably my fault), because we're talking about Dre listening to an EP full of songs that he produced (in the future or whatever), with some random emcee with an accent rapping over them, and whether he'd like the EP or not.

Lmao.