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Re: The Game claims Eminem is the GOAT

Postby Bananastyle » Aug 17th, '11, 21:07

EminemBase wrote:I don't think he saw it as a diss. But you never know with Game, I think that could of been his little way of slightly digging Em but tryna get away with it.

As, when Em is still so committed to rapping and lyricism (even if he's not as good, he's still majorly in to the craft), it's a real insult to say he's not a rapper lmao.

Hopefully Em will hear that and others calling him pop and saying he doesn't do hip hop now though and it'll inspire him to make better music.

But to call things like "Cold Wind Blows" or "Almost Famous" pop or the artist who made those a pop artist is absurd lmao. They couldn't be more offensive, in your face, defiant, angry, rebellious and thumping. Regardless of quality or whatever you think about them, to say they're pop is simply... wrong, lmao. They're closer to heavy metal.

You can't categorize content which is edgy, offensive, divisive and deeply personal and realistic pop. By its definition pop aims to appeal to as many as possible, it's broad and unoffensive. The complete opposite of Eminem.

All people see the odd feature then conclude he's pop? ridiculous.


In reality, pop is not a derogatory word, nor does it define a certain subset or genre of music.

The fact he has diamond records and anything else he puts out, will without a doubt, go platinum, makes him pop....not content.

Johnny Cash is considered a pop culture legend but he sung about cocaine, prison, drinking, killing women as well.
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Re: The Game claims Eminem is the GOAT

Postby OMEGA » Aug 17th, '11, 21:10

The problem is that some people DO use the word pop to define pop music style, as stuff like Backstreet Boys, N'Sync, Britney Spears, Gaga, etc. If someone used, erroneously btw, that word to define Eminem's music, then they are definitely and absolutely wrong.

But then there's people who just use the word "pop" to define anything popular. In that case, Eminem is definitely a pop icon. For fuck's sake, Homer Simpson is a pop icon and he's not a singer or anything. :laughing:
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Re: The Game claims Eminem is the GOAT

Postby SG. » Aug 17th, '11, 21:18

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VenomBlackViper wrote:Who's The Game & why do his thoughts on Eminem matter?


He's rap's MVP and he ain't going nowhere so you can get to know him.


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Re: The Game claims Eminem is the GOAT

Postby Bananastyle » Aug 17th, '11, 21:21

OMEGA wrote:The problem is that some people DO use the word pop to define pop music style, as stuff like Backstreet Boys, N'Sync, Britney Spears, Gaga, etc. If someone used, erroneously btw, that word to define Eminem's music, then they are definitely and absolutely wrong.

But then there's people who just use the word "pop" to define anything popular. In that case, Eminem is definitely a pop icon. For fuck's sake, Homer Simpson is a pop icon and he's not a singer or anything. :laughing:


Homer Simpson is absolutely a pop culture icon.

(Ironically) Hippies in the 60's are a part of pop culture.

Sniffing coke while wearing leisure suits and fucking hairy bushed women strung out on Quaalude's in the 70's is a part of pop culture.

Pop culture is what defines generations and like it or not, Eminem's name will be brought up in 30 years when describing life/music in the 2000's. It's inevitable.

He's pop, he just doesn't make shitty dance pop that DJ's spin to "Get it started in here"
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Re: The Game claims Eminem is the GOAT

Postby EminemBase » Aug 17th, '11, 22:43

Bananastyle wrote:
EminemBase wrote:I don't think he saw it as a diss. But you never know with Game, I think that could of been his little way of slightly digging Em but tryna get away with it.

As, when Em is still so committed to rapping and lyricism (even if he's not as good, he's still majorly in to the craft), it's a real insult to say he's not a rapper lmao.

Hopefully Em will hear that and others calling him pop and saying he doesn't do hip hop now though and it'll inspire him to make better music.

But to call things like "Cold Wind Blows" or "Almost Famous" pop or the artist who made those a pop artist is absurd lmao. They couldn't be more offensive, in your face, defiant, angry, rebellious and thumping. Regardless of quality or whatever you think about them, to say they're pop is simply... wrong, lmao. They're closer to heavy metal.

You can't categorize content which is edgy, offensive, divisive and deeply personal and realistic pop. By its definition pop aims to appeal to as many as possible, it's broad and unoffensive. The complete opposite of Eminem.

All people see the odd feature then conclude he's pop? ridiculous.


In reality, pop is not a derogatory word, nor does it define a certain subset or genre of music.

The fact he has diamond records and anything else he puts out, will without a doubt, go platinum, makes him pop....not content.

Johnny Cash is considered a pop culture legend but he sung about cocaine, prison, drinking, killing women as well.


It is detrogatary to call a true artist, a pop artist.

Pop is an actual genre. It's soft-rock, cheesy music that is designed for the masses. Eminem's thoughts, lyrics and music is not for the masses. He may have elements recently that were intended to be hits, be he is not a pop artist.

Selling millions of records make him popular. So yes, he's a popular artist. So you could say he's popular, that's just a fact. But pop is not just short for popular, it's a real genre. And what Eminem does is not pop. So he is not a pop artist.

Johnny Cash is a pop icon, as is anybody of any significant fame that has major influence and stature. But he was not a POP ARTIST. Calling somebody a pop artist implies they create pop music. Eminem doesn't create pop music and neither did Johnny Cash. There's a difference of terms here, somebody being a pop icon isn't the same as them being a pop musician.
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Re: The Game claims Eminem is the GOAT

Postby Sla » Aug 17th, '11, 23:03

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Re: The Game claims Eminem is the GOAT

Postby richard » Aug 18th, '11, 00:03

EminemBase wrote:It is detrogatary to call a true artist, a pop artist.


Not necessarily...there are many 'true artists' that will always be classified as pop just because of some of the songs they make which become huge...even though they have plenty of other gems that never make it to radio. John Mayer can play circles around most guitarists but most people just know him as that guy who sings 'your body is a wonderland'.

Also, even speaking in terms of pop as a genre and not (incorrectly) as 'popular music,' Eminem's music doesn't fall far from the definition (as best as you can define sound, at least)...music of widespread appeal aimed towards young people with strong rhythmic and technological elements.
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Re: The Game claims Eminem is the GOAT

Postby Bananastyle » Aug 18th, '11, 00:27

EminemBase wrote:Pop is an actual genre. It's soft-rock, cheesy music that is designed for the masses. Eminem's thoughts, lyrics and music is not for the masses. He may have elements recently that were intended to be hits, be he is not a pop artist.


I can pick up what you're putting down, but just to make sure we're on the same page....You wouldn't consider Wayne, Drake, Nicki Minaj, etc. to be pop music, right?
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Re: The Game claims Eminem is the GOAT

Postby TheGentlePlayer » Aug 18th, '11, 00:38

So he diss Jay-Z all the time, but he is in Games Top 5.
He says Em is GOAT all the time, but he isn't in Games Top 5?


It's like......

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Re: The Game claims Eminem is the GOAT

Postby Trimss » Aug 18th, '11, 00:53

TheGentlePlayer wrote:He says Em is GOAT all the time, but he isn't in Games Top 5?


you can appreciate a Mc and know that he's one of the goat without loving him and putting him on your top 5.
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Re: The Game claims Eminem is the GOAT

Postby EminemBase » Aug 18th, '11, 02:53

richard wrote:
EminemBase wrote:It is detrogatary to call a true artist, a pop artist.


Not necessarily...there are many 'true artists' that will always be classified as pop just because of some of the songs they make which become huge...even though they have plenty of other gems that never make it to radio. John Mayer can play circles around most guitarists but most people just know him as that guy who sings 'your body is a wonderland'.

Also, even speaking in terms of pop as a genre and not (incorrectly) as 'popular music,' Eminem's music doesn't fall far from the definition (as best as you can define sound, at least)...music of widespread appeal aimed towards young people with strong rhythmic and technological elements.


Yes, not necessarily. I think more than not though.

As pop, the genre of pop and music that is definitely pop is AIMED to appeal to as many as possible. It aims NOT to offend, it aims to be unoffensive, easy, comfortable. All the things I think most great art is not. I think great art often unsettles.

And Eminem creates art, or at least did and sometimes does that unsettles. But it's most certainly not watered done, anodyne, safe and most of all, not pop.

Pop is all those things. Pop is a genre, it doesn't just mean popular music. So just because music happens to be popular, doesn't make it pop. If an Iron Maden song happens to become a hit, as an upshot - is that then a pop song? of course not. It's a popular heavy metal song.

But a 'pop song' is a song that IS POP. And Eminem does not make pop music.

Eminem is a popular rapper, a hip hop artist. Not a pop artist.
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Re: The Game claims Eminem is the GOAT

Postby EminemBase » Aug 18th, '11, 02:59

Bananastyle wrote:
EminemBase wrote:Pop is an actual genre. It's soft-rock, cheesy music that is designed for the masses. Eminem's thoughts, lyrics and music is not for the masses. He may have elements recently that were intended to be hits, be he is not a pop artist.


I can pick up what you're putting down, but just to make sure we're on the same page....You wouldn't consider Wayne, Drake, Nicki Minaj, etc. to be pop music, right?


No I'd consider them shit hip hop.

There's a misconception in hip hop in particular that if it's bad, it's pop lmao. It can be bad, broad, cheesy and still be hip hop. Calling something hip hop doesn't mean it's good hip hop.

But they're still rhyming, over drum loops, sampling, and creating what is technically or could be broadly described as hip hop.

I think some music that Drake creates could be defined as hip pop though, or even pop actually. As he does create watered down, safe music sometimes. Safe love ballads.

But Eminem had never done that or anything like it. They're not in the same category as Eminem. "Love the Way You Lie" is a realistic, descriptive, lyrical portrayal of domestic violence. The idea that people are saying THAT is pop, because Rihanna is on it, is absurd.

It couldn't be LESS pop in theme and execution.

Wayne and Drake do create music that veers towards pop. And obviously it's not always a clear absolute definition as hip hop borrows from practically every genre. So aside from rhyming and attitude, hip hop doesn't really exist. It exists but I mean, it often escapes a solid definition.

But pop can be more easily defined due, and Eminem has never made a single pop record. Wayne and Drake have arguably made quite a few, or a handful. As for Minaj - she's a great rapper, people have a bullshit misconception of her due to her association with Wayne and some of her shitty album material. But she's technical, and good. And a hip hop artist.
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Re: The Game claims Eminem is the GOAT

Postby VenomBlackViper » Aug 18th, '11, 03:26

OMEGA wrote:
VenomBlackViper wrote:Who's The Game & why do his thoughts on Eminem matter?


The Game is Mr. West. :y:


Kanye West changed his name to The Game? :unsure:

Menzo wrote:
VenomBlackViper wrote:Who's The Game & why do his thoughts on Eminem matter?


He's rap's MVP and he ain't going nowhere so you can get to know him.


I highly doubt Kanye is rap's MVP, atleast not while Mr. Mathers is still around.
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Re: The Game claims Eminem is the GOAT

Postby SliK » Aug 18th, '11, 03:40

VenomBlackViper wrote:
OMEGA wrote:
VenomBlackViper wrote:Who's The Game & why do his thoughts on Eminem matter?


The Game is Mr. West. :y:


Kanye West changed his name to The Game? :unsure:

Menzo wrote:
VenomBlackViper wrote:Who's The Game & why do his thoughts on Eminem matter?


He's rap's MVP and he ain't going nowhere so you can get to know him.


I highly doubt Kanye is rap's MVP, atleast not while Mr. Mathers is still around.

You must be trolling...
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Re: The Game claims Eminem is the GOAT

Postby Master Chief » Aug 18th, '11, 03:50

Venom has never trolled a day in his life. He's one of the most serious members TR has to offer.
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