Real Stories: Eminem [ New Documentary ] + [ Video ]

[EminemBase]

It's always cringing to see the over-simplification of Em's lyrics by onlookers.

That aside, this documentary was okay, and if Em could go to fucking Disney Land at 8 he couldn't have been that poor. More evidence is stacking up to show that he was more likely a bit of a spoiled brat as his mother and her brother described.

He had superhero outfits, pouted and got his way etc.

I don't doubt he was poor but, he's definitely only emphasized the bad.

This. I wonder if he lied about some other shit too, as far as his childhood & mother are concerned.

Lying? LOL.

TBH, I don't see a problem. Em said it himself, he takes a problem from his life & makes it bigger then it is. I don't believe a word his mother or her brother or her ex says. She faked having a cancer just so she could accuse him for not paying her bills. I would rather believe what Em & Kim said about their life then Debbie. And I definitely think Em was waaaaay far from being a spoiled brat. I agree he wasn't THAT poor, but I never had impression he was starving in 1st place. Dunno.

Well I have seen every documentary under the son on his life and have two in-depth DVDs on his career, and his mother's side is looking to be more true by the minute.

I don't doubt that they fought, or that they were poor.

However, she says they were very close and he was a spoiled brat and always got what he wanted etc. - now, there's even one or two videos of them together. One of which he is about... 20 something in, at McDonald's or some place with her, laughing and playing around...

Now Em's mother actually reminds me a lot of my mother, in that she's frail and yet incredibly anxious and over-protective, she's EXACTLY the same kind of woman. And whilst I've had a lot of arguments with her, she would like to think of me as a mamma's boy, even though I'm not.

So I don't doubt her perspective at all, I believe her.

AND, I would never go and sit down at fucking McDonald's and eat with my mother and I don't even have half as bad a relationship as he says he had with his. So it couldn't of been anywhere near as bad and her tale of it seems much more likely given the evidence available.

You can almost still see the brat in Em too and everything his ex body guard to every other person that's been around him then evaded... it all coincides with his mother's and her brother's account of Em as a person, and as a child.

He has a habit of, harbouring feelings for people and if he doesn't get what he wants out of them or doesn't get the kind of reaction or respect he feels he deserves... he makes them an eternal mental enemy and creates this whole depth of animosity towards them that spills into his music.

His ex body guard said that's why it started with Britney and Christina, because they were at an awards show and Em tried to get attention from them (because he fancied them) and they basically... snubbed him. And from that point on he harboured a grudge.

And this coincides with the descriptions of Em's mother's brother (Todd) who said that, if anybody even looked at Marshall sideways in a traffic que, she would verbally rip them apart.

You can now see that relationship has sort of carried over with the people around him. Even in all these books that come out from people who knew him / were around him - as much of them that are bullshit, you can read between the lines and 'feel' the truth in places and a lot of stories again, all match up and coincide with these kinds of situations.

A lot of stories basically now show that Paul Rosenberg has become like Em's mother. Paul protects Em, turns a blind eye to his business and sweeps his dirty work under the rug. And he elevates him to a station, giving him a platform to verbally rip people apart like his mother did for him.

This sounds like a psyche analysis now and it's getting a bit OTT lmao but, all I'm saying is... anybody with a brain, if you're interested... look into it more and don't believe everything Em says. Obviously Em himself admits that he exaggerates issues for art, I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about some of the more serious and finite details such as claiming abuse etc.

There's really more evidence to suggest Em has fabricated quite a few claims or to a lesser extent maybe, just believed the gossip of family members, and just used it as truth for his life.

His mother said that before The Slim Shady LP blew up Em was talking to her and said the whole 'white trash' thing was just a joke and he'd tell the truth soon. And I believe her. Just look at "Evil Deeds" (where he apologizes) or even more recently "Cocaine" (when he mentions just needing a tank top now etc.). I'm not talking about Slim Shady, I think he quite possibly invented quite a lot of 'white trash past' to supplement his creativity.

Plenty is true (the bullying, the poverty etc.) but I think plenty is untrue too.

[legendstatus]

wow, eminembase, i can actually see where your coming from. To an extent you start to question whether this "behavior" is true or not since I feel as though comments and clues directing to it being true continue to show up all over the place.

He did seem to have a brat-like woe its me attitude in the beginning at least from what I have read and seen.

Also to be honest his whole thing about going after pop stars because he wanted to set himself apart from them only fooled me for so long. I understand that in the beginning but come on man, you have mentioned Spears in more songs than necessary.

And like you already previously said, the most plausible reasons as to why he even went after her and christina in the first place was because of rejection, something he cannot cope with.

Plus I agree on the whole "white trash" bit, to sit here and actually believe that his whole debut image wasn't crafted would be stupid. It's clear Interscope wanted him to embody this sort of image from the get go, not saying that its an act, because to be honest I think we all know that it couldn't possibly be, but I am suggesting that it was amplified just a little.

Knowing that I believe he tried to reassure his mother that it was simply just a launch format for the time being but I guess things went downhill from there and his personal attacks against her just kept escalating.

[doris]

@ Menzo & EminemBase.

I actually agree with both of you. Of course I'm aware of the fact Em lied about some things & also made things way worse then they were (I already wrote that). But I never got impression he was starving or that his childhood was THAT bad. BUT I also don't think his mother is completely sane. I very much doubt Em was a spoiled brat & always had what he wanted. From reading & watching interviews you can tell she doesn't have it all together + she was a drug addict, so I doubt they ever had a loving & caring relationship. You can't say they were close based on one video. I do believe she loves him, after all she's his mother but I also can't believe all the things she says. In her book, there were a lot of stuff you just had to look at & say 'now, this seems like a complete bullshit.' Todd & Debbie lied before. Her breast cancer is just one of the examples. It's just very hard to believe he made up his relationship with his mom. Like I said, I'm sure that wasn't an all hate relationship, but I doubt she was a #1 mom. I agree that plenty is true & plenty is untrue, too. Same goes for his mother. There are things she said that were absoultely true, but she also said a lot of bullshit. So, I don't take what she or Todd say as an 100% truth. That's all I was trying to say. 

[shitreallyhappens]

It's always cringing to see the over-simplification of Em's lyrics by onlookers.

That aside, this documentary was okay, and if Em could go to fucking Disney Land at 8 he couldn't have been that poor. More evidence is stacking up to show that he was more likely a bit of a spoiled brat as his mother and her brother described.

He had superhero outfits, pouted and got his way etc.

I don't doubt he was poor but, he's definitely only emphasized the bad.

You do know Disney Land only cost like 5 dollars in 1980 right?

[EminemBase]

I very much doubt Em was a spoiled brat & always had what he wanted.

Well, look at him as an adult. Often, we can look at the 'end result' of an adult for some examples of what a person might have been like as a child.

Almost every single person that has strayed from Em in terms of... bodyguards, or friends or whoever, they all tell the SAME story when it comes to certain aspects of him.

And at some points in his life Em has himself admitted to being this way.

After a childhood of bullying and disrespect... to suddenly be called a genius and the greatest rapper alive (and by many, in history?), you can't imagine what that might do to his ego. And Kim's descriptions of him when he'd come home bragging about it, I believe her.

There's much more evidence to point to him being a brat than not.

From reading & watching interviews you can tell she doesn't have it all together + she was a drug addict, so I doubt they ever had a loving & caring relationship. You can't say they were close based on one video. I do believe she loves him, after all she's lhis mother but I also can't believe things she says.

Actually I don't think you can tell she 'doesn't have it all together' from videos at all.

She's EXACTLY like my mother, I can tell the kind of women she is. You know what I mean as you know when you see a "character-type". As unique as we all think we are, we're all essentially duplicates of some 'kind' of person, and there are many 'us'' out there.

And she is like my mother.

She'll defend Eminem no matter what, she's insanely over-protective, she's insanely anxious, I realize the irony of me continuously using the word 'insanely' after implying she is all there by the way. But what I mean is, I don't think that she is lying or that she's incoherent.

And her never-ending protection and defence of him (as my mother has for me) is also what makes me believe she genuinely did sue him, because he genuinely was lying.

As for having a loving and caring relationship (constantly)... in reality, there's rarely such a thing. Who do you know who you're CONTINUOUSLY perfectly X or Y with? I mean, unless it's a mortal enemy lmao. If you love somebody or it's a friend or a family member, you always have ups and downs. Sometimes you like each other, sometimes you hate each other.

And money puts a strain on things also. I've had eye-popping psychopathic fights with my mother but then it's fine most of the time too.

So I don't doubt that his account of a lot of her erratic moods are correct, but who's fucking mother isn't like that? my mother is a moody bitch too, he acts like it's abnormal. But then he seems to totally disregard or pretend nothing else ever existed when recounting...

When in reality, that's highly unlikely to the point of absurdity. So I don't think 'one video' proves they had a loving and caring relationship, I think those FEW videos just illustrate that when they weren't arguing, they WERE close. And a mother with a child whom she abuses in the way he says she did, don't have good times with their sons like that. So her account is more realistic.

Like I said, my relationship with my mother isn't half as bad as he says his was / is with his and yet I'm not HALF as close in any way as he shows he is in the available videos.

From the pictures, videos, people around him, family member accounts... all their stories and the material evidence coincide their stories pretty much. And whilst some of Em's side of the story (lawsuits etc.) is accounted for, mostly, it's proven more likely he's lying.

Actually, rather than call it lying... which I don't think is entirely right... I think he's just left out an abundance of positivity too. Basically he's just recounted the most extreme or negative stuff and only that, and used that as the basis for his material and character.

But, he pretty much pretends that's all it was, and exaggerates it.

[doris]

@ EminemBase:

I agree with you that Em is a big baby. Very needy person. Even Kim said it herself, that most of the time she just felt like she's playing a role of his mother. He depends on people & it's just that type of person who needs to be taken care of. I understand that. However, everyone also seem to describe him as incredibly humble. But I do believe that fame hit him hard + drugs = complete asshole. But he looks like he matured. At least now. That's just my opinion tho. 

You have the same type of mother I have. That's why I think Debbie is not that type at all. If she would defend Em, insanely overprotective - why she lied about him not wanting to pay for her medical bills? She was a drug addict. You really believe she never did anything wrong to him? 

I never said I believe everything Em says. But I also don't believe everything his mother says. I watched & read too many her interviews where I just had a big question mark over my head to take everything she says as 100% truth. 

LoL. I'm on my phone, I can't really say everything I want to.

[dshady89]

Plenty is true (the bullying, the poverty etc.) but I think plenty is untrue too.

The more important issues are true though. Eminem's mom admits he had to change from city and move her son from school every couple of months, according to her to have a better life, but that and the bullying is probably what affected him more.

Add up that the claims of harming her sons to get attention and suffering from Munchausen by proxy syndrom go way back, there where even social services reports about that.

Eminem stretches a lot of things out, but take as an example Cleaning Out My Closet, to the extent that we know, that is 100% true, and it has to be as it was a response to the song his mother had done.

Plus, Eminem has never backed from saying he loves his mother in any interview. But as we know, his songs, his art, its different, that's what he does.

[dshady89]

So, I don't take what she or Todd say as an 100% truth. That's all I was trying to say. 

It's impossible to do so. His uncle Todd has said in interviews that Eminem's dad liked to throw around knifes in his house and that he abused Debbie, while Eminem's dad has claimed he never laid hands on Debbie and was a perfect father until Debbie ran away with his son. ¿Who do we believe?

Add up the story of Eminem's grand and great grand mother, his grand mother claims she was a great mother to Debbie, Debbie begs to differ and says she couldn't wait to get out of his mother house. And guess what, Debbie's mother claims she always wanted the best for her children, and she also claims to have had a abusive mother (Eminem's great-grand mother). Apparently that shit has went down generations through generations, its a never ending cycle.

[EminemBase]

You have the same type of mother I have. That's why I think Debbie is not that type at all. If she would defend Em, insanely overprotective - why she lied about him not wanting to pay for her medical bills? She was a drug addict. You really believe she never did anything wrong to him? 

I've studied psychology (not academically) and disorders (and have been diagnosed as Bipolar myself) and, the mind etc. for a very long time...

I didn't say she's never lied before, but if you even look at some interviews with her in around 2001, when the entire world was bashing Em, around the time she was suing him..

She's even defending him then. She's saying things like "Marshall is a loving boy, with a lot to give" and the kind of... it reminds me of my mother going into school to defend me to teachers all the time, and, just, won't accept that her kid is bad in any way lmao.

So I absolutely believe that they were close - because, aside from her account of this, her brother's account and other's match up not to mention videos and pictures. And I believe that a lot of the time he was a little mamma's boy and a spoiled brat.

I also do not believe she was a drug addict. What I believe is that she's a hypochondriac, which my mother also is. So in a sense you could call that drug addiction but it's not really that, as I don't believe it's a desire to get high, like a drug addict (and I'm an addictive person) has...

The hypochondria stems from anxiety, which is probably why she also thought Em was ill. I believe it was more likely she was constantly paranoid about him than it was she intentionally 'pretended' he was ill to get sympathy for herself. I've heard her accounts of when Em was unconscious and she stayed by his side for days on end when the doctors wanted to give up, she's not lying.

I can tell that woman is exactly like my mother, she's an incredibly paranoid, anxious, over-protective hypochondriac who probably had a bag full of pills (like mine does) for an endless series of complaints she thinks or says or feels she's having.

All this behaviour can seem random or unique to that person but if you study character-types or observe them or study psychology or psychiatry over the years, you begin to see so many patterns. As one behaviour leads to another and many are rooted in each other.

As a quick example, a manic depressive often being more prone to drug addiction due to the more extreme low-points, thus explaining why more Bipolar people are addicted to X, Y and Z than the average person (not that drugs 'cause' Bipolar as some would probably conclude) etc.

And I can clearly see she thinks of Em as her little boy, she would defend him to anybody and rip their head off if they said a bad word about him, but also that she's a volatile, moody bitch who is probably complaining of illnesses all day long. My mother, I'm not joking, has been saying she's ill... since I can remember. Literally every single fucking day, and she has cupboards of pills.

Fucking vertigo, migraines, on and on and on. Em's mother is this type.

My friends also would think my mum was crazy etc. but... it's all about perception. And what might look like a crazy unstable mother on the outside, is in reality - an over-bearing, over-protective, paranoid, anxious, caring, loving mother = Em's mother. It's just that she's THAT to the point of obsession and self-destruction, and addiction.

I do not believe she was a drug addict or abused him though.

[Amaranthine]

Parental overprotectiveness is a symptom of Munchausen's, and the kids often get really attached to the parent [the abuser] as well.

And I agree with doris and dshady.

[Jens14]

Interesting

[SoldierShady]

Ok I'm uploading the video files now...can someone recommend a good file sharing site? I've put part one on zShare here http://www.zshare.net/video/9750299187c0cbc7/ But it doesn't seem to be working?

[TheGentlePlayer]

Em was drunk

[2PointOBoy]

Ok I'm uploading the video files now...can someone recommend a good file sharing site? I've put part one on zShare here http://www.zshare.net/video/9750299187c0cbc7/ But it doesn't seem to be working?

Try Megaupload or Hulkshare. Megaupload also has video playback support.

Megaupload requires you to Sign Up to upload files. Upload to multiple file-sharing websites, including Megaupload directly here: http://www.mirrorcreator.com | http://www.embedupload.com

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BTW did you re-encode the videos that you downloaded, 'cause the Zshare file is a WMV file..

[SoldierShady]

Ok I'm uploading the video files now...can someone recommend a good file sharing site? I've put part one on zShare here http://www.zshare.net/video/9750299187c0cbc7/ But it doesn't seem to be working?

Try Megaupload or Hulkshare. Megaupload also has video playback support.

Megaupload requires you to Sign Up to upload files. Upload to multiple file-sharing websites, including Megaupload directly here: http://www.mirrorcreator.com | http://www.embedupload.com

Other file-sharing websites that have video playback are http://www.2shared.com & http://www.fileserver.cc

BTW did you re-encode the videos that you downloaded, 'cause the Zshare file is a WMV file..

No, I didn't want to lose quality so I didn't re-encode them. Uploading to Megaupload now..though I didn't sign up first?