The main problem with Em's current style is...

[master360]

But why does he have to rap about problems?

There are infinite concepts and ideas and ways of presenting things; he doesn't have to be poor or going through things to create great art.

It's a limited mind that can only take real life situations or issues, as they're happening, and relay them realistically; he isn't a biographer or chronicler; be creative.

But the thing is, would the listener be interested? You have to remember that Eminem tried making an album that wasn't completely relying on his own personal life, Relapse. But, we also know that it had a lot of mixed reviews, mostly negative. I'm sure some "true" hip-hop heads enjoyed the album, but the star track for just about everyone else was "Beautiful", a song about his life.

Do you want to know why? It was Eminem's first album since Encore, we all knew he had gone through some real life changing shit and people set up these outrageous expectations. Everyone believed Em was going to come out with an album full of emotion, explaining his struggles and all that.

When it actually delivered, it was nothing like anyone would have guessed. It's presentation was completely left field and abstract in comparison to the Eminem people mentally created for his return. The only song to fit their premeditated post-hiatus Eminem was surprise-surprise, "Beautiful"...and although Relapse isn't a very emotional album about his life, he still has those songs: "My Mom", "Hello" and "Deja Vu" are all depicting things in his life - obviously ranging in depth and detail.

The most unfortunate part is that people were WAY too ignorant to the accent, they heard it and it immediately masked what Em actually had to say. There was a review posted here a while ago, the guy was describing the album as he was hearing it and he like...gave up listening VERY early in the album. That's how most people were, but that's the sad part with most music fans. The sound overpowers the lyrics.

In summation, Eminem has a plethora of conceptual ideas to choose from. Literally. It can be ANYTHING he wants it to be, as long as it's executed masterfully. Fuck the fans, fuck the critics - do what you want and when people notice the passion, they'll ease in.

damn...youre a true fcking fan music, congratulations nice words

[_Hawk_]

But why does he have to rap about problems?

There are infinite concepts and ideas and ways of presenting things; he doesn't have to be poor or going through things to create great art.

It's a limited mind that can only take real life situations or issues, as they're happening, and relay them realistically; he isn't a biographer or chronicler; be creative.

But the thing is, would the listener be interested? You have to remember that Eminem tried making an album that wasn't completely relying on his own personal life, Relapse. But, we also know that it had a lot of mixed reviews, mostly negative. I'm sure some "true" hip-hop heads enjoyed the album, but the star track for just about everyone else was "Beautiful", a song about his life.

Do you want to know why? It was Eminem's first album since Encore, we all knew he had gone through some real life changing shit and people set up these outrageous expectations. Everyone believed Em was going to come out with an album full of emotion, explaining his struggles and all that.

When it actually delivered, it was nothing like anyone would have guessed. It's presentation was completely left field and abstract in comparison to the Eminem people mentally created for his return. The only song to fit their premeditated post-hiatus Eminem was surprise-surprise, "Beautiful"...and although Relapse isn't a very emotional album about his life, he still has those songs: "My Mom", "Hello" and "Deja Vu" are all depicting things in his life - obviously ranging in depth and detail.

The most unfortunate part is that people were WAY too ignorant to the accent, they heard it and it immediately masked what Em actually had to say. There was a review posted here a while ago, the guy was describing the album as he was hearing it and he like...gave up listening VERY early in the album. That's how most people were, but that's the sad part with most music fans. The sound overpowers the lyrics.

In summation, Eminem has a plethora of conceptual ideas to choose from. Literally. It can be ANYTHING he wants it to be, as long as it's executed masterfully. Fuck the fans, fuck the critics - do what you want and when people notice the passion, they'll ease in.

Great post

[Nimation]

some people have a problem with the voice

huh? really? He's a rapper... seems some people don't know what rap is
his voice is nice to me, the best voice in the rap world you know
not annoying like Jay Z's or Royce and so many other rappers... sorry for off topic talk

[Cheers]

...it feels like he's just rapping instead of emptying his thoughts, even on "deep" songs like Lighters. Up until Recovery, everything was just straight talk. It felt effortless. Sure, he would obviously put together multis for the sake of it, but it still felt natural. Now, it just feels like he's trying. Sure, some people have a problem with the voice, but that's really not a HUGE deal for me. The lyrics just don't feel natural anymore, he's trying to be clever instead of just being clever. He obviously tried before, but do you know what I mean?

This best sums up what my issue with Em is:

Have to agree with this but i am confident the next album will just as great as Recovery with that kinda really good content it will probably be a better album, we gonna get another mature album i think it may not be based on his life and problems cos he has addressed almost everything about that. But it will probably be mature but showing a happy side to him.

[Cheers]

...it feels like he's just rapping instead of emptying his thoughts, even on "deep" songs like Lighters. Up until Recovery, everything was just straight talk. It felt effortless. Sure, he would obviously put together multis for the sake of it, but it still felt natural. Now, it just feels like he's trying. Sure, some people have a problem with the voice, but that's really not a HUGE deal for me. The lyrics just don't feel natural anymore, he's trying to be clever instead of just being clever. He obviously tried before, but do you know what I mean?

This best sums up what my issue with Em is:

Have to agree with this but i am confident the next album will just as great as Recovery with that kinda really good content it will probably be a better album, we gonna get another mature album i think it may not be based on his life and problems cos he has addressed almost everything about that. But it will probably be mature but showing a happy side to him.

A happy side of him...

Honestly, I never thought about that lol. I've always just envisioned Eminem as that angry white guy. I'd like to see how that works.

Anyone that really is a fan knows he has always had a happy side to him specifically things like his daughters are what makes him happy his pride and joy. Really when you think about it his daughter is the biggest reason he did what he did to take her outta Detroit and give her a good life. So it would be cool for him to make an album based on happy things like that.

[Cheers]

some people have a problem with the voice

huh? really? He's a rapper... seems some people don't know what rap is
his voice is nice to me, the best voice in the rap world you know
not annoying like Jay Z's or Royce and so many other rappers... sorry for off topic talk

Lol wtf. First you say he's a rapper and some people "don't know what rap is" as if you're not allowed to dislike a rapper because of his shitty voice. Then you say "the best voice in the rap world" which I don't know how to respond to, then you go and say "not annoying like Jay-Z or Royce". I realize this is your opinion and all, you can like whatever voice you like lol but... idek what to say lol.

1 of the bad sides to Jay Z is his voice not easy on the ears at all i think a lotta people find it annoying like Jadakiss, Ja Rule, Lloyd Banks voices as well. Eminem's voice is very appealing especially The MMLp-Eminem Show voice.

[Cheers]

Okay Aftermathers, you don't have to tell me I'm not a "real fan", you've done that plenty of times. I'm just saying, the only time I can think of him with a truly happy song is Hailie's Song, and I'd be interested to see what it'd sound like now.

Huh who is Aftermather? I'm sure theres other things that make him happy to his brother, his faith/beliefs, his grand mother so it would be cool to hear things about these things on his album.

[LIL_B]

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[slimfan94]

Dammit Aftermathers.

[Kill You]

Okay Aftermathers, you don't have to tell me I'm not a "real fan", you've done that plenty of times. I'm just saying, the only time I can think of him with a truly happy song is Hailie's Song, and I'd be interested to see what it'd sound like now.

Huh who is Aftermather? I'm sure theres other things that make him happy to his brother, his faith/beliefs, his grand mother so it would be cool to hear things about these things on his album.

You are, stupid bitch.

[Cheers]

Okay Aftermathers, you don't have to tell me I'm not a "real fan", you've done that plenty of times. I'm just saying, the only time I can think of him with a truly happy song is Hailie's Song, and I'd be interested to see what it'd sound like now.

Huh who is Aftermather? I'm sure theres other things that make him happy to his brother, his faith/beliefs, his grand mother so it would be cool to hear things about these things on his album.

You are, stupid bitch.

Huh? you don't even know you a bit immature. You don't think his brother, grandmother, faith, adopted daughter and these kinda things don't make him happy? it's a no brainer that he always been a family oriented person and he loves spending time with them, So i don't get it? this would be good to hear on his album about them in an up beat mood and concept

[slimfan94]

Aftermathers jump off a cliff. I hear it's fun.

[Kill You]

Huh? you don't even know you a bit immature. You don't think his brother, grandmother, faith, adopted daughter and these kinda things don't make him happy? it's a no brainer that he always been a family oriented person and he loves spending time with them, So i don't get it? this would be good to hear on his album about them in an up beat mood and concept

No, I'm saying you are Aftermathers. Wasn't talking about Eminem.

Yes, I think things make him happy, but he's Eminem...happy is not who he is. He is naturally not a happy person, you can tell if you're an actual fan of all of his music instead of just the emotional part. Fuck emotions, we want SLIM SHADY. Emotions for Em nowadays = Lighters. His Our House verse is somewhat emotional at parts, but for the most part I believe it's another "I'll never quit and I'm a cold person" verse. Listen to his A Kiss verses, listen to his Welcome 2 Hell verses and The Reunion verses...all are better than his emotional shit. We want the REAL Eminem back, not some guy trying to please all of his whiny ass fans. He needs to say fuck the fans and make the music he wants to make. And clearly the music he wants to make gears more toward Shady than Eminem.

[RoleModel'Est96]

Kill You wrote:
You are, stupid bitch

slimfan94 wrote:
Aftermathers jump off a cliff. I hear it's fun.

[Cheers]

Huh? you don't even know you a bit immature. You don't think his brother, grandmother, faith, adopted daughter and these kinda things don't make him happy? it's a no brainer that he always been a family oriented person and he loves spending time with them, So i don't get it? this would be good to hear on his album about them in an up beat mood and concept

No, I'm saying you are Aftermathers. Wasn't talking about Eminem.

Yes, I think things make him happy, but he's Eminem...happy is not who he is. He is naturally not a happy person, you can tell if you're an actual fan of all of his music instead of just the emotional part. Fuck emotions, we want SLIM SHADY. Emotions for Em nowadays = Lighters. His Our House verse is somewhat emotional at parts, but for the most part I believe it's another "I'll never quit and I'm a cold person" verse. Listen to his A Kiss verses, listen to his Welcome 2 Hell verses and The Reunion verses...all are better than his emotional shit. We want the REAL Eminem back, not some guy trying to please all of his whiny ass fans. He needs to say fuck the fans and make the music he wants to make. And clearly the music he wants to make gears more toward Shady than Eminem.

Who Aftermath? Well he always expressed hpiness about his daughter that is what makes him proud, he naturally had a tough life so he not gonna be as happy as someone who ain't had the same toough upbrining. But it's his emotional music that don't sound happy usually it's biographical about his life and his life was hard so you making no sense. It's just your opinion what you think is better. How you know the emotional music isn't what he wanna do? you making assumption with out fact i mean can you post an interview of him saying i didn't wanna make this song or that song cos its emotional? you can't. If it wasn't for his fans he wouldn't be where he is the fans buy the music put money to give him everything he has so he respects his fans i think it's foolish to think he would disrespect his fans. Don't you mean you want Shady back? he's been doing emotional songs from his first album infact first EP so what makes you think he doesn't wanna do that now when he been doing If I Had songs since 1997?