Is this the reason some of the edge/attitude in Em's music

[StatQuo]

you love Relapse EminemBase but not everyone else will. Just like what you like and let others like what they like for christs sake

He wasn't trying to convince you to like it, he was saying what he liked about it.

I respect why he likes it but he complains alot about others who like Eminem's other style and not the same style he likes. It's not that serious it's just taste i never been into rappidy rap rappin ass rappers for example so i can't stand Slaughterhouse

[EminemBase]

you love Relapse EminemBase but not everyone else will. Just like what you like and let others like what they like for christs sake

When did I try to stop anyone liking what they like?

I'm saying what I like, and why, and what I think. And you, and everybody else here is free to do the same; maybe stop focusing so much on me and express your own views.

If you disagree with me, or like other material for other reasons... cool, what's the big deal? if you can't handle difference of opinion maybe a forum isn't the best place for you, as that's kind of the point; to discuss. Would you rather everybody just said "well, we all like different things, for different reasons. Done" - there'd be no discussion, I'm going to express my opinion regardless.

I didn't say anybody needs to like what I like, I'm saying why I do.

If you can't handle hearing or seeing views which aren't like yours... you're in for a tough ride man, as you're gonna get a lot of that in life, and I'm not gonna be the epitome of that believe me. All I'm doing is expressing my taste, in a calm, reasonable way, and look how upset it gets you. If you spend your life stressing over not hearing what you want, all the time, it's gonna be exhausting.

[EminemBase]

Obviously Eminem still has a spark of humour, but you have tip-toed around the actual formulation of his 'funny rhymes'. It is is easy to pick out one song from an album and say 'we can see his old-self here', but that is one song. Eminem has not captured his pre-relapse wit to compose a song and appear effortlessly humorous to the extent that you could believe it was an unwritten freestyle.

Perhaps this is to do with the way he writes his current music, or maybe it's because a lot of those ideas stemmed from drug-influence. At the moment he's like a sober rapper straining to appear high with his visualisations.

But you say 'effortlessly humorous' like that's his aim, he can't sound effortlessly humorous at the moment because he's rapping really loudly and harshly, so he's going to sound frantic and angry no matter what he's saying. He used to have a more relaxed, conversational approach and delivery, that's why he sounded like that. I'm not saying his recent lines are up to the standard of his old ones, but I believe style has a lot to do with it, and if he rapped like he did back then now, and wrote in a similar style, I believe he would sound pretty close.

His ideas are still sometimes funny, similar themes, but it's the way he's presenting them that is different; he's chopping down lines to puns, he's writing in a... 'laboured' way, as in, he's severing lines, and writing in bursts and segments.

The way he writes is different now. But he writes differently on every album. His lyricism on The Marshall Mathers LP was different to The Slim Shady LP. His writing style on The Eminem Show was different again, aside from his voice and flows changing, he changes his entire writing style almost every time, so I think that has a lot to do with it.

[StatQuo]

you love Relapse EminemBase but not everyone else will. Just like what you like and let others like what they like for christs sake

When did I try to stop anyone liking what they like?

I'm saying what I like, and why, and what I think. And you, and everybody else here is free to do the same; maybe stop focusing so much on me and express your own views.

If you disagree with me, or like other material for other reasons... cool, what's the big deal? if you can't handle difference of opinion maybe a forum isn't the best place for you, as that's kind of the point; to discuss. Would you rather everybody just said "well, we all like different things, for different reasons. Done" - there'd be no discussion, I'm going to express my opinion regardless.

I didn't say anybody needs to like what I like, I'm saying why I do.

If you can't handle hearing or seeing views which aren't like yours... you're in for a tough ride man, as you're gonna get a lot of that in life, and I'm not gonna be the epitome of that believe me. All I'm doing is expressing my taste, in a calm, reasonable way, and look how upset it gets you. If you spend your life stressing over not hearing what you want, all the time, it's gonna be exhausting.

The thing is i haven't met an Eminem fan outside this board be it mainly in person that shares your views the songs you said are predictable i only heard that from you Eminem fans i know outside this forum don't feel that way. They love them but i haven't seen them say they would want a Relapse 2. I'm not upset but it's just a song like Mockingbird is amazing to me the word flawless can be over used but to me it is so it's hard to see why an Eminem fan like you can not fully appreciate it's greatness but you don't find an album like Relapse predictable when it was about serial killing.

[EminemBase]

you love Relapse EminemBase but not everyone else will. Just like what you like and let others like what they like for christs sake

When did I try to stop anyone liking what they like?

I'm saying what I like, and why, and what I think. And you, and everybody else here is free to do the same; maybe stop focusing so much on me and express your own views.

If you disagree with me, or like other material for other reasons... cool, what's the big deal? if you can't handle difference of opinion maybe a forum isn't the best place for you, as that's kind of the point; to discuss. Would you rather everybody just said "well, we all like different things, for different reasons. Done" - there'd be no discussion, I'm going to express my opinion regardless.

I didn't say anybody needs to like what I like, I'm saying why I do.

If you can't handle hearing or seeing views which aren't like yours... you're in for a tough ride man, as you're gonna get a lot of that in life, and I'm not gonna be the epitome of that believe me. All I'm doing is expressing my taste, in a calm, reasonable way, and look how upset it gets you. If you spend your life stressing over not hearing what you want, all the time, it's gonna be exhausting.

The thing is i haven't met an Eminem fan outside this board be it mainly in person that shares your views the songs you said are predictable i only heard that from you Eminem fans i know outside this forum don't feel that way. They love them but i haven't seen them say they would want a Relapse 2. I'm not upset but it's just a song like Mockingbird is amazing to me the word flawless can be over used but to me it is so it's hard to see why an Eminem fan like you can not fully appreciate it's greatness but you don't find an album like Relapse predictable when it was about serial killing.

Who cares what people outside this board have said?

Most people have generic taste.

The best things are always an acquired taste that the fringes bring TO the masses overtime. Em brought an acquired taste to the mainstream. He didn't become Eminem because of things like "Mockingbird", he became Eminem because of things like "Stan", aka incredibly creative, rich, textured, dramatic music and storytelling, with amazing lyricism.

You keep telling me what most people like or don't like I care lmao. I like what I like, and say why I do, and you're free to do the same. Are you really so weak minded or dependent on other people's opinions that you gauge your taste by the crowd?

I like Em's introspective content too, so you don't even have a point.

You really think those screaming 15 year old girls crying over Em's raps about Hailie and fawning when he pulls his shirt up get Eminem? if you're trying to use people like that, or even people who just like "real shit man, yeah I can relate, know what I mean?" kinda people... that's pretty weak lmao. I don't respect people with as much depth as a coke can, argue your own views.

[StatQuo]

You call it generic but to us that like it it is simply amazing and special music hence why we like it so much.

[StatQuo]

Also since Rock Bottom and If I Had 2 songs i think are in his top 10 greatest songs ever and amongst his finest songs which were both on his 1999 debut The Slim Shady LP but actually also on the EP from 1997 you are very wrong on saying he didn't become Eminem cos of songs like this. These 2 songs being on an album that sold 5 million or so too.

[EminemBase]

Also since Rock Bottom and If I Had 2 songs i think are in his top 10 greatest songs ever and amongst his finest songs which were both on his 1999 debut The Slim Shady LP but actually also on the EP from 1997 you are very wrong on saying he didn't become Eminem cos of songs like this. These 2 songs being on an album that sold 5 million or so too.

"Rock Bottom" is one of his best but I don't think "If I Had" is. It's okay.

I'm not wrong though, saying 'well, they're on the album, and the album is big' means nothing. What's his biggest album ever? The Marshall Mathers LP. That's what made Eminem, and it's his most creative body of work, and most thrilling, not just straightforward introspection.

The Slim Shady LP wasn't being talked about for "Rock Bottom" (even though it is an amazing song) and "If I Had", if Eminem JUST had songs like that, he wouldn't have the identity he does. He was being talked about for his dark humour, his provocative ideas, and his detailed lyricism.

[StatQuo]

Also just using this an example but look at it objectivley Base My Name is was his first Hit but it reached 36 on the billboard chart where as Lose Yourself, Not Afraid, Love The Way You Lie reached number 1. If you look at his biggest and most succesful charting singles the introspective songs have always charted higher than his other type of songs. Also look at The Slim Shady LP it has sold 5 million but then look at The Eminem Show which sold 10 plus million. I'm just using this argument based on you saying songs like Mockingbird didn't make him but just showing his most succesful performing music has always been songs like that or albums like The Eminem Show. That is a concerete fact as far as the sales.


I mean if it was as simple as you put it Base and people just like introspective what you think of as generic music then Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Z-RO, Common, Joe Budden etc would be multi platinum selling rappers yet these guys even going Gold is a struggle for them and i'm just naming a few rappers who make that kinda music that can't sell or aren't succesful like that theres countless others.


Now i do not have a daughter for example but i love the songs Hailies Song and Mockingbird i can like others who also love these songs but don't neccesarily directly relate in the sense of having a daughter can tell you all the day why we love these songs but the simplest way is you either get those songs get the beauty and brilliance of them or you don't that's the reality

[StatQuo]

Also since Rock Bottom and If I Had 2 songs i think are in his top 10 greatest songs ever and amongst his finest songs which were both on his 1999 debut The Slim Shady LP but actually also on the EP from 1997 you are very wrong on saying he didn't become Eminem cos of songs like this. These 2 songs being on an album that sold 5 million or so too.

"Rock Bottom" is one of his best but I don't think "If I Had" is. It's okay.

I'm not wrong though, saying 'well, they're on the album, and the album is big' means nothing. What's his biggest album ever? The Marshall Mathers LP. That's what made Eminem, and it's his most creative body of work, and most thrilling, not just straightforward introspection.

The Slim Shady LP wasn't being talked about for "Rock Bottom" (even though it is an amazing song) and "If I Had", if Eminem JUST had songs like that, he wouldn't have the identity he does. He was being talked about for his dark humour, his provocative ideas, and his detailed lyricism.

The Eminem Show has sold just as much as The MMLP both have gone diamond both his highest selling albums. I think though The Eminem Show has sold more worldwide. But just in my opinion this album is his most thrilling and creative and his best in my opinion


Just speaking about me personally Rock Bottom and If I Had are the songs that initially made me a fan of Eminem those the 2 songs that i heard that made me like him as an artist so i imagine theres others who can say the same too

[EminemBase]

Also since Rock Bottom and If I Had 2 songs i think are in his top 10 greatest songs ever and amongst his finest songs which were both on his 1999 debut The Slim Shady LP but actually also on the EP from 1997 you are very wrong on saying he didn't become Eminem cos of songs like this. These 2 songs being on an album that sold 5 million or so too.

"Rock Bottom" is one of his best but I don't think "If I Had" is. It's okay.

I'm not wrong though, saying 'well, they're on the album, and the album is big' means nothing. What's his biggest album ever? The Marshall Mathers LP. That's what made Eminem, and it's his most creative body of work, and most thrilling, not just straightforward introspection.

The Slim Shady LP wasn't being talked about for "Rock Bottom" (even though it is an amazing song) and "If I Had", if Eminem JUST had songs like that, he wouldn't have the identity he does. He was being talked about for his dark humour, his provocative ideas, and his detailed lyricism.

The Eminem Show has sold just as much as The MMLP both have gone diamond both his highest selling albums. I think though The Eminem Show has sold more worldwide. But just in my opinion this album is his most thrilling and creative and his best in my opinion


Just speaking about me personally Rock Bottom and If I Had are the songs that initially made me a fan of Eminem those the 2 songs that i heard that made me like him as an artist so i imagine theres others who can say the same too

You argued this point before when on here under a different name. You keep saying to like what you like and let other people do the same but you can't seem to settle with me not agreeing with you. You like his introspective work, I get it.

[EminemBase]

Also just using this an example but look at it objectivley Base My Name is was his first Hit but it reached 36 on the billboard chart where as Lose Yourself, Not Afraid, Love The Way You Lie reached number 1. If you look at his biggest and most succesful charting singles the introspective songs have always charted higher than his other type of songs. Also look at The Slim Shady LP it has sold 5 million but then look at The Eminem Show which sold 10 plus million. I'm just using this argument based on you saying songs like Mockingbird didn't make him but just showing his most succesful performing music has always been songs like that or albums like The Eminem Show. That is a concerete fact as far as the sales.

I mean if it was as simple as you put it Base and people just like introspective what you think of as generic music then Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Z-RO, Common, Joe Budden etc would be multi platinum selling rappers yet these guys even going Gold is a struggle for them and i'm just naming a few rappers who make that kinda music that can't sell or aren't succesful like that theres countless others.

Now i do not have a daughter for example but i love the songs Hailies Song and Mockingbird i can like others who also love these songs but don't neccesarily directly relate in the sense of having a daughter can tell you all the day why we love these songs but the simplest way is you either get those songs get the beauty and brilliance of them or you don't that's the reality

Neither "Lose Yourself" or "Love the Way You Lie" are introspective, well, not how you mean anyway. He is being introspective in them, but they're conceptual. "Lose Yourself" is part-Jimmy, part-Em, but he's rapping in-character and summarizing the fear of performing; and with "Love the Way You Lie", he nails the theme of domestic violence to the wall, again, in-character. So actually two of his biggest songs are conceptual, not introspective, and I love them both, and that is the material I am saying I like the best: conceptual.

I like creativity. Plain introspection about his life, isn't creative.

[Trimss]

Someone should tell Embase he's debating with Aftermathers, once again.

[StatQuo]

But Lose Yourself is alot based on his life covering his issues with poverty, his dream of getting outta poverty, he mentions his mother, his life in the hood in detroit. It is an introspective song

[StatQuo]

You mentioned creativity but on Hailies Song he as a rapper predominantly aside from hooks on this song he actually sung through out so do you not think that is creative as it can get for him that as a rapper he actually sung a whole song but actually did it so well? and the concept you may say is generic but he did something that not others do which is cover the difficulties of being a father. This is my fave Eminem song ever well it's hard to say 1 fave song but put it this way Hailies Song is a type of song that makes me want to listen to him along with 8 Mile Road, We As Americans, Beautiful.



It's generic only if you let it be genric Eminembase