I always found it funny how Em contradicted himself

[AbramIsaac]

Em could make a song about unicorns with Justin Beiber and Vanilla Ice and you guys would find a way to stick up for it.

It's not about sticking up for a song...

They're attacking you because you're taking a line out of a song, and applying that one statement to his entire career.

[Blu]

Em could make a song about unicorns with Justin Beiber and Vanilla Ice and you guys would find a way to stick up for it.

LOL this.

@ BILI, why the facepalm? Seems like a good argument. The whole point of that song was how Eminem wouldn't apologize or show regret for saying whatever he said or did.

We can ignore the small contradictions he made like admitting he was a gangster only to deny it, but if he's going to make an entire song saying "you can fuck off if you think I'll take back what I said" only to then apologize for releasing an album FULL of fucked up lyrics...

@Slik, Just Don't Give A Fuck was recorded/written when he wasn't as huge, his words hardly affected anyone. Not until he propelled to super stardom at least.

[SliK]

So it's only unacceptable for superstars to contradict themselves?

[Jimmy Conway]

I'm not going to post every example ever. He's done it in more than No apologies.

"Them last two albums didn't count
Encore I was on drugs, Relapse I was flushin' 'em out"


"Turn the radio up louder, make it thump
While I bump that Relapse CD"

"I'm tryna hear some Bagpipes from Baghdad
Don't act like you don't like 'em, them accents, I rap tight"


One song Relaps sucks, the other it's awesome.


"I don't give a fuck about nothing that's where you fucked up at"


"And to the fans, I'll never let you down again, I'm back
I promise to never go back on that promise, in fact
Let's be honest, that last Relapse CD was “ehhhh”
Perhaps I ran them accents into the ground"

One song he doesn't give a fuck about anything, the next he's all emotional about the fans, lying to them about an album he likes to make them happy.


But you guys you find a reason to call bullshit on all of that too. So continue to be blind and biased, He's an amazing artist, but he fucks up a lot too. But rarely does anyone here want to acknowledge that under any circumstance. EM ft Vanilla Ice and Bieber CANT WAIT, 2002 EM I BET

[AbramIsaac]

I'm not going to post every example ever. He's done it in more than No apologies.

"Them last two albums didn't count
Encore I was on drugs, Relapse I was flushin' 'em out"


"Turn the radio up louder, make it thump
While I bump that Relapse CD"

"I'm tryna hear some Bagpipes from Baghdad
Don't act like you don't like 'em, them accents, I rap tight"


One song Relaps sucks, the other it's awesome.

That's a stupid example, and you know that. It's a story; he makes fun of using the accents in that same fucking song, and his female companion says "Relapse sucked". It's to build up the story, which was set after the release of Relapse, but before the negative reception of it.

"I don't give a fuck about nothing that's where you fucked up at"


"And to the fans, I'll never let you down again, I'm back
I promise to never go back on that promise, in fact
Let's be honest, that last Relapse CD was “ehhhh”
Perhaps I ran them accents into the ground"

One song he doesn't give a fuck about anything, the next he's all emotional about the fans, lying to them about an album he likes to make them happy.

Usually, when he talked about not giving a fuck? That wasn't directed at his fans, the people that love him, and have put him in a mansion and made sure his daughters were set for life. Regardless of whether or not you agree with him apologizing for the way Relapse was handled, or the way Recovery was made, the fact of the matter is that most of his don't give a fuck moments were in retaliation to critics, not fans.

Besides, his situation before his addiction and after are different. He went from giving up everything to entertain, and having to deal with the fans as a result to being someone that abandoned his fanbase and then feeling like he let them down for whatever reason, despite the fact that they never gave up hope in him.

Anyway, the bad part about your posts aren't the things you're saying, but how you're saying them. Your argument isn't so much offensive, as it is stupid, because you can't seem to put it forth in a way that doesn't make people just roll their eyes until they fall out of their sockets.

[Jimmy Conway]

It's to build up the story, which was set after the release of Relapse, but before the negative reception of it.

How the fuck do you know when the time of the story was? You should feel bad for your retarded post. Bme came out two years after Relapse, which was the height of the Relapse hate. But you're obviously a moron and should go home.

[AbramIsaac]

How the fuck do you know when the time of the story was? You should feel bad for your retarded post. Bme came out two years after Relapse, which was the height of the Relapse hate. But you're obviously a moron and should go home.

I'm not going to really go in on you, because I feel like you're too ignorant to really justify even the minimal effort it would take. I'm a moron? Of all the members in this thread, I assure you, one of the two of us is a moron, and it is not me.

The song is called "The Reunion". It's a reference to the reunion of Bad and Evil. Believe it or not, that didn't happen in 2011. Obviously it's not a play by play of their actual reconciliation, but chronologically speaking, it was set in the past. Possibly after or around the release of Relapse?

Hmmm...maybe. Just maybe.

[TommiTMX]

I'm not going to post every example ever. He's done it in more than No apologies.

"Them last two albums didn't count
Encore I was on drugs, Relapse I was flushin' 'em out"


"Turn the radio up louder, make it thump
While I bump that Relapse CD"

"I'm tryna hear some Bagpipes from Baghdad
Don't act like you don't like 'em, them accents, I rap tight"


One song Relaps sucks, the other it's awesome.


"I don't give a fuck about nothing that's where you fucked up at"


"And to the fans, I'll never let you down again, I'm back
I promise to never go back on that promise, in fact
Let's be honest, that last Relapse CD was “ehhhh”
Perhaps I ran them accents into the ground"

One song he doesn't give a fuck about anything, the next he's all emotional about the fans, lying to them about an album he likes to make them happy.


But you guys you find a reason to call bullshit on all of that too. So continue to be blind and biased, He's an amazing artist, but he fucks up a lot too. But rarely does anyone here want to acknowledge that under any circumstance. EM ft Vanilla Ice and Bieber CANT WAIT, 2002 EM I BET

This post is unbelievably stupid. I would love for you to find me the quote where he said Relapse sucks. Go on, I'll give you a moment.


Done? Good. He never once said Relapse sucked, he said it was "ehhh", he also said it was because he ran the accents into the ground (yeah he notes that some fans didn't like it because it was a push from his other work, that doesn't mean he doesn't like it - also his don't give a fuck attitude was always bullshit (Mariah Carey, MTV Puppet thing etc.) it's a persona, get over it already). That's the most you'll find, you can also see from his performance of the entire album live (the only time he's ever done it by the way) he really enjoyed it. He said he wrote it because Dre said people wanted to see him "spaz out" again but you can easily hear that he enjoyed writing it just by listening to how perfectly crafted some of the verses are. Sure they had an accent, sure they lacked a lot of "emotion" in the sense that he wasn't talking about anything meaningful to everyone else. To say they were emotionless would be a lie though, I'd say he was pretty fucking happy writing it and it shows.

As for his faults, if you said he picked out some shit beats for Recovery and it seems to be mixed horribly with some beats too loud and others his vocals too loud, sure. I'd say that was a valid criticism (or that's how they sound to me at least). Moaning about shit someone says in a song though is pretty fucked up and puts you in the category of the people he took the piss out of the most in his career. PEOPLE THAT TAKE HIS MUSIC TOO SERIOUSLY.

Go figure...

[Suzanne.s]

look, since the beginning of time poets/artists wrote things that express how they felt at the time of writing. their feelings, mood and opinions change, i's normal, it's human, what's the big deal? music is not a political statement.

@ BILI, why the facepalm? Seems like a good argument. The whole point of that song was how Eminem wouldn't apologize or show regret for saying whatever he said or did.

that's a good argument? REALLY?
Eminem was feeling fed up with criticism, hated media pressure, and wrote something about how he felt at that moment. you want him to feel the same thing through all his music?

Slim Cary, please swear you're not trolling.

[Inkredible]

Here are the ones I find lulz worthy:

"I get up 'for I get down, run myself in the ground, before for I put some wack shit out" - WTMS

See: 2012 Eminem

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"Now I would never diss my own momma just to get recognition"

...

"I just found out my mom does more dope than I do" - My Name Is
"I told her I'd grow up to be a famous rapper
Make a record about doing drugs and name it after her" - My Name Is
"My mom loved valium, and lots of drugs" - My Mom
"Just bend over at take it like a slut, ok mom" - Kill You

That's only some of them.

hmmm....

[SliK]

The only contradiction that I think makes him look bad is his line "No punches. That's weak shit. Fake shit." Followed up with the song Til I Collapse lol.

[AbramIsaac]

Well, that's a technical contradiction for the sake of the play on words though.

Not completely correct, but he turned the phrase well, so it doesn't stand out too badly to me.

[ChristinaE12]

The only contradiction that I think makes him look bad is his line "No punches. That's weak shit. Fake shit." Followed up with the song Til I Collapse lol.

Is it 'no punches'.. Or is it 'no punch ins'? I've actually sat and thought about that line for a while now though.

As far as the topic goes. People naturally contradict themselves. Especially as we grow and mature. I personally believe it's a natural thing everyone does many times in their lifetime.

[AbramIsaac]

That's the play on words.

He's saying "no punches". No punches pulled, no punches, that's weak shit. So the first line sets it up as the recording term, the "punches" (or punch ins), and then he says no punches pulled, in reference to the phrase "Pulling no punches". The latter part of the bar sets it up to support that side of the play on words, being that if you have no punches (because you did the opposite of pulling no punches), it will be weak, because you held back from saying something offensive.

It's a nice turn of the phrase.

[ChristinaE12]

That's the play on words.

He's saying "no punches". No punches pulled, no punches, that's weak shit. So the first line sets it up as the recording term, the "punches" (or punch ins), and then he says no punches pulled, in reference to the phrase "Pulling no punches". The latter part of the bar sets it up to support that side of the play on words, being that if you have no punches (because you did the opposite of pulling no punches), it will be weak, because you held back from saying something offensive.

It's a nice turn of the phrase.

Yeah I got that.. I somehow missed your post before mine too.. lol.