Rhyming on 'Recovery'...

[TonyTilt]

Relapse>Recovery any day of the week when you're talking rhyming. But compared to ANY of his previous work I think recovery wasn't comparable at all, in a bad way too. Recovery was just too happy of shit idk it just seemed way too forced..

One of the points of his "accent" was so that it was more natural sounding when he "bended" his words. It transitioned a lot better than using a real voice.

[Jimmy Conway]

This is Hello Kitty bedspread satin funk
Mixed with Egyptian, with a little rap and punk
Zap and Eric Clapton shaft brings Abba crunk




The time has come to tie her up, gotta roll me the ladder
I'd had enough of the chatter, climb up to the window, look at her
And climb in and slowly shatter her brain matter and batter her
with the bat, a matter of fact that will splatter her
But before I do that, I'll have a chat to flatter her
Give her two compliments, back-to-back, like Tabatha!


That's what good rhyming sounds like

[Trimss]

No Love is a huge Klusterfuck of rhymes.

"And you can never break my stride
You never slow the momentum at any moment I'm about to blow
You'll never take my pride
Killing the flow, slow venom and the opponent
Is getting no"

[ShadyxEminem]

In the place all the way to the parking lot, fellow
Set fire to the mic and ignite the crowd
You can see the sparks from hot metal
Cold-hearted from the day I Bogarted the game
I so started to rock fellow
When I'm not even in my harshest
You can still get roasted 'cause Marsh is not mellow

No Love was fucking epic

[ShadyxEminem]

In the place all the way to the parking lot, fellow
Set fire to the mic and ignite the crowd
You can see the sparks from hot metal
Cold-hearted from the day I Bogarted the game
I so started to rock fellow
When I'm not even in my harshest
You can still get roasted 'cause Marsh is not mellow

No Love was fucking epic

Can't believe I missed those still amazing

[Trimss]

In the place all the way to the parking lot, fellow
Set fire to the mic and ignite the crowd
You can see the sparks from hot metal
Cold-hearted from the day I Bogarted the game
I so started to rock fellow
When I'm not even in my harshest
You can still get roasted 'cause Marsh is not mellow

No Love was fucking epic

I was about to do it. My pronunciation might be off sometimes, but does started/hearted rhyme with harshest?

[Trimss]

I love his verse on No Love. I know it's messy, the structure is weird and all but.. I just love it. Spazzing out like that and killing Wayne.. It's like once his verse is over, you forgot all about Lil Wayne being on the song.

[Trimss]

Word. I always skip the hook though, I can't stand it.

[EminemBase]

First time I heard no love I kind of thought it was wack cuz of the hook..

But I do like both EM n Wayne's verse on No Love.

Haddaway is awesome though.

I was browsing StudioLeaks the other day and they all say that Wayne rivals, if not beats Em on the song, LMAO, they try so hard to hate on Em in a way OTT way lately imo. And I'm not one of those fags who is like "AWW, JUST HATING MAN" @ any criticism, but they're ridiculous.

To say Em's verse was abysmal etc. as they do is just absurd. Especially when they then praise utter junk like 50 or Drake. They're just way OTT with the negativity on Em, everyone is. That's what being the greatest does though

[ShadyxEminem]

Em bully these rappers so bad lyrically, it ain't even funny, He ain't even hungry,
it ain't even money

[_Hawk_]

There are a ton of examples of good rhyming on Recovery like on "On Fire", "Cold Wind Blows", "No Love" and "Ridaz"...actually the entire album is full of examples of good rhyming, is it as obvious and in your face as Relapse? No, why? Because his rhyming on Recovery started to diversify and become more complex..

I think you're missing the point of the vast majority of the rhyming on Relapse. It isn't just there to show technical skill; it's there to assist his flow. By stringing together what you call a mixture of 'obvious rhymes', each line flows perfectly into the next. This isn't true with the majority of the tracks on Recovery; whilst the rhymes, as you argue, are more diverse, they're random, appear in chunks for brief bursts before being followed by parts of the verse which are relatively rhymeless before the listener is hit by another shot of rhyming again. It's almost excessive; and whilst it is interesting to listen to, to me it doesn't highlight good rhyming. Good rhyming should be, in my opinion, consistent whilst allowing the verse to evolve. Lose Yourself or TIC are perhaps the best examples of this. When the rhyme scheme changes it is almost unnoticeable because of the way Em maintains a consistent evolution of rhyming. This is where Relapse excels over Recovery; the consistency shows that Em has the skill to maintain complex rhyming without compromising on flow or lyricism.

I know you will probably try and argue against this, but I think it is pretty axiomatic really. I'm not hating on Recovery by any means, but I think it's pretty bold to argue that Recovery shows better rhyming skills than Relapse.

[Willy]

There is a good amount of rhyming on 'Recovery', but it's not as impressive because of the phrasings, flow, and placement of the rhymes. He can rhyme 7 syllables now but if what he is saying isn't compelling it won't come off as dope:

"kiss my ass in a lint thong"
"miss the pass when I went long"

It's like yeah.. you are rhyming a lot of words but what are you actually saying? Which to me is more important than counting syllables.

"My first words were bleep bleep and curse curse".. On this freestyle he only used a 2 syllable scheme and it's one of my favorites. Granted, there were internals n' shit but my point is the rhyming is only impressive if the lyrics and flow aren't sacrificed. Two syllables per line with clever content > two entire lines for an overused simile.

The choppy flow also takes away from the rhyming, in WBD he actually rhymes quite a bit but it falls flat because it's not smooth (plus the lyrics are awful). However, when he does hit a stride with the flow it sounds nice and you can appreciate the rhyming (even if there are less syllables):

"psych I'm spiking you like a football
been this way since I've stood a foot tall"

"girl you think that other pricks hot
I'll drink gasoline and eat a lit match
‘fore I sit back and let ‘em get hot
better call the cops on ‘em quick fast
shady's right back on your bitch ass
white trash with a half of six pack in his hatchback
trailer hitched attached to the back (dispatch)"

As for the placement of the rhymes talking to myself is the best example (also a good example for the choppy flow)..

"anyone buzzing back then could have got,
almost went at kanye too, god it feels like I'm going psychotic"

Sounds bad to me.. and there are plenty more examples. Em's best rhyming is conversational and seamless. The rhyming isn't as impressive on Recovery because of how its used. If you look back I think the density is there but too much was sacrificed.

[Mr Change]

I think Recovery is very up-to-Eminem standards when it comes to the rhyming. Is it a Relapse? No. But the thing about Relapse is, yeah, he's rhyming SO much. But you gotta realize how much of that rhyming is cheap rhyming, compared to Recovery's honest rhyming. Relapse is still a lyrical masterpiece and arguably his most detailed work yet--but you can't say that it doesn't have some cheap words in there for multi-sake. Recovery on the other hand, does good in that it rhymes well, and really has a lot of meaning too.

[Kill You]

His rhyming on the BME EP is pretty good, isn't it?

Yes, it's very good. I like that he started concentrating more on rhymes again.

On subject...his rhyming was great for normal rap standards but for hip hop heads it was lacking. I think Em managed to rhyme fairly well in every song while not sacrificing content. Compared to his first three albums the rhyming is certainly lacking and more forced though and I can recognize that. Compared to Encore it's Illmatic.

[SliK]

One of the most enjoyable aspects of Relapse was picking out all his complex rhymes and following his rhyme schemes. I was (initially) very disappointed with the rhyming on recovery, but I understand that the content on Relapse could go anywhere Em's schemes took him so he could go nuts. On Recovery he really had to stay on topic and his rhyme schemes weren't anywhere near as complex and sometimes his rhming is just BAD "spread my WANGS and I flew!"