What if Eminem......

[EminemBase]

Em ditched the accent. New Relapse material with Em's post Recovery style.

Fuck that, I want the original or just something entirely new.

[EminemBase]

That's all I'm looking for. Give me the uncompromised Eminem we got on Relapse, just hold the accents and it wil be perfect!

It's perfect with the accents.

"Stay Wide Awake" would be lame in his normal voice.

Relapse style ftw. Addictive as fuck.

[Jason M.]

Tweeted "Relapse 2" next month......

And Paul announces that it is BRAND new Relapse material....

I know it's highly unlikely, but us Relapse enthusiasts can dream.

Hell no.

[EminemBase]

^ Yeah it probably would, but I see it as a style... he went in and out of accents, sometimes it was noticeable on a word, sometimes it wasn't, but it was more-so emphasizing every element of words - the vowels, the highs and lows of enunciation to maximize delivery clarity and rhyme strength... so I just hear it as a style, and it's one of his best ever and one of his most addictive. One of the reasons "Beautiful" sounds so stupid on there is the fact it is completely in his normal voice, "Underground" sounds out of place for that reason too.

I don't think doing "3am" in his normal voice would be a good idea at all. Because that Relapse style is so particular that on an album like that, it needs to all be in that style otherwise the continuity is broken and it sounds out-of-place and weird ala "Beautiful".

[cityfan31]

I would be so disappointed.

Relapse and Refill complete that style. There is nothing more he could really do with it.

I want something new.

[EminemBase]

^ What do you mean you give up? lmao. I overstand you, I want that too. What I was saying is that those 'accents' do not 'ruin' Relapse for me, they enhance it and make it what it is.

I wouldn't say Em ever compromised his viewpoints or lyrics either. On Recovery, he compromised his music and definitely aimed at demographics, which I'd say is a first... but his rapping isn't compromised. And I'd say Relapse is a classic if it stops at "Deja Vu".

The last three tracks just ruin it for me though.

[PAINKILLƎR]

Accents ftw.

[cityfan31]

When you said you wanted Paul to post RELAPSE 2, but with brand new material it must have confused me.

As far as I am concerned, Relapse = accents, serial killer content (minus My Mom and Deja Vu) and Dre beats. Which was awesome, by the way.

But him coming back with more of the same would be pointless.

If you meant an uncompromised Em, then you might as well say you want another MMLP, SSLP or TES as he didn't really compromise on any of them either.

I think his apology to Alchemist over his accent verse tells you all you need to know about what Em truly feels about Relapse looking back. He has no reason to apologise to members of his own crew if he didn't really feel he made some errors with that whole style.

So I don't think you can say he compromised on Recovery, either. It seems pretty obvious it was the album he wanted to make, at the time.

I have no idea what this new album will be like.

[EminemBase]

I wasn't aiming that at you. Other members seem to think that I want another album JUST LIKE Relapse or the original Relapse 2 when I cleary said in the OP that it were to be BRAND NEW material. I've broken it down too many times on this thread and was only stating that I won't go deeper into it if they don't understand.

The accents didn't ruin the album for me either. Beautiful did feel out of place, but he put that in there to show people where his mind was it during his hiatus. I understand why it made the cut. The ending of the album just wasn't put in good order...

I would've gone with....

14.Must Be The Ganja
15.Crack A Bottle
16.Mr. Mathers skit
17.Deja Vu
18.Beautiful
19.Steve Berman skit
20.Underground

Beautiful fits decent after Deja Vu and then the Steve Berman skit complaining about his hiatus is perfect. He then finishes off with Underground, having a similar intro to the last songs on SSLP and MMLP. Throwing Crack a Bottle in between all that just fucked up the vibe completely, it sounds good right after Must Be the Ganja.

"Beautiful" doesn't fit no matter where you put it. It's not about the themes or what he's saying, it's about the production and his rap style. They sound nothing like any other track on the album, because it wasn't made for the album, it's another world. Imagine how stupid something from The Eminem Show would sound on The Slim Shady LP.

I think it ending at "Deja Vu" would have been completely perfect.

Because then, conceptually you have 'him entering a murderous, psychotic, slap-happy Relapse' which is metaphorical for the drug use but also 'his old offensive ways' and the album is like an adventure through his thoughts, contradictions, madness, murder, rape, fun, ETC. and it should be climactic as he gets worse as the relapse intensifies... then you get to Mr. Mathers = he OD's, the relapse becomes too intense, then he awakens from the relapse, recounting on it = "Deja Vu". The song is still in the musical and rap vein of the other tracks and fits perfectly, conceptually and sonically right after that skit. Then it could have faded out on that music and Relapse 2 begins, with him relapsing a second time - this time MUCH worse than before, hence the sequel being justified.

And I've listened to the album right the way through with it ending on Relapse, and it's totally classic. It flows beautifully and simmers down yet ends with a bang, it all fits just right. And since "Beautiful" and "Crack a Bottle" come AFTER it and were both obvious singles and from other albums... I think it's obvious that the album he made DID end on Relapse, he just stuck those pieces of shit on the end as they were to be singles / label pressure. Then probably made "Underground" to try tie it up, after those obviously out-of-place tracks. Which is probably why he's rapping in a different tone as that track probably was an after-thought to justify / balance the weird additions.

I don't believe that Em put "Beautiful" on there for the reason he said. I think he put it on there as a single, and nothing more. It's the track most like old Eminem and he probably wanted to see if fans didn't like his new style, would they like that, and many general ones did. So what did he go with on Recovery? - rock samples, singing and introspective content - ALA "Beautiful". Obvious, move was obvious. Definitely wasn't a sincere placement, was a safety net, and single.

[Rafael]

I would be a million times more exited if he tweeted "The Eminem Show 2" or some thing like that.

[cityfan31]

When you said you wanted Paul to post RELAPSE 2, but with brand new material it must have confused me.

As far as I am concerned, Relapse = accents, serial killer content (minus My Mom and Deja Vu) and Dre beats. Which was awesome, by the way.

But him coming back with more of the same would be pointless.

If you meant an uncompromised Em, then you might as well say you want another MMLP, SSLP or TES as he didn't really compromise on any of them either.

I think his apology to Alchemist over his accent verse tells you all you need to know about what Em truly feels about Relapse looking back. He has no reason to apologise to members of his own crew if he didn't really feel he made some errors with that whole style.

So I don't think you can say he compromised on Recovery, either. It seems pretty obvious it was the album he wanted to make, at the time.

I have no idea what this new album will be like.

Just because it's called Relapse 2 doesn't mean it HAS to HAVE accents.....


EDIT: I said Relapse 2 because it would be produced mostly by Dre, have Slim Shady material, and be uncompromised (I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but to Eminem's standards, Recovery is pretty compromised, even though some songs aren't, overall...not just lyrics...the album was compromised. When did we ever have an Eminem album with cliche production and guest appearances from the same pop stars he bashes?)

Nah man, accents and Relapse go hand in hand. You can't rhyme words in the way he did without bending and twisting them in those accents.

Love The Way You Lie was an absolute triumph, better than anything on Relapse in many ways. WBD was a bit boring but hardly a pop-song given the beat and Pink's chorus. And don't tell me you've forgotten that song he did with Dido, what was that called?

As Embase is saying, he probably compromised more on Relapse, purely because he was obviously pressured into putting Crack A Bottle and Beautiful on it which were clearly not recorded with the rest of the tracks.

I'l say it again, Recovery was the album Em wanted to make.

[EminemBase]

^ I wouldn't say Recovery is uncompromised or that he entirely wanted to make that. I don't think anybody forced him to, but I think he just couldn't handle the mixed reception of Relapse, and 50 and others have confirmed this... so he took a look at what was going on the in the game and tried to do it in his own way. I think he probably expected Relapse to have a kind of MMLP-like-effect and when it didn't he was confused and so got hot producers and aimed wider to prove he could make big music, I'd say it was majorly compromised though because he made it for some of the wrong reasons, and for the purpose of being popular.

[cityfan31]

^ I wouldn't say Recovery is uncompromised or that he entirely wanted to make that. I don't think anybody forced him to, but I think he just couldn't handle the mixed reception of Relapse, and 50 and others have confirmed this... so he took a look at what was going on the in the game and tried to do it in his own way. I think he probably expected Relapse to have a kind of MMLP-like-effect and when it didn't he was confused and so got hot producers and aimed wider to prove he could make big music, I'd say it was majorly compromised though because he made it for some of the wrong reasons, and for the purpose of being popular.

It's one of those things we'll never really know.

When he said that Relapse songs weren't making him feel like his old songs used to, I sort of understood what he meant. That seems to fit quite well for me.

[EminemBase]

^ I wouldn't say Recovery is uncompromised or that he entirely wanted to make that. I don't think anybody forced him to, but I think he just couldn't handle the mixed reception of Relapse, and 50 and others have confirmed this... so he took a look at what was going on the in the game and tried to do it in his own way. I think he probably expected Relapse to have a kind of MMLP-like-effect and when it didn't he was confused and so got hot producers and aimed wider to prove he could make big music, I'd say it was majorly compromised though because he made it for some of the wrong reasons, and for the purpose of being popular.

It's one of those things we'll never really know.

When he said that Relapse songs weren't making him feel like his old songs used to, I sort of understood what he meant. That seems to fit quite well for me.

50 said Em made Recovery because he wasn't happy with the reaction to Relapse. And the fact Em apologizes for the album and please to 'make it up' to fans is obvious that's what it is. It's not just about how he felt, it's about the reaction. If it was just about how he felt about the records then he wouldn't have apologized like that. He probably felt he'd let long-time fans down or something, but either way - he recorded new material due to a mixed public reception. So we do know.

[cityfan31]

I think he genuinely regretted Relapse and not just because of the reaction but because of the fact that after a while he thought the songs weren't songs that would pass the test of time. So it's OK to apologise for something if you think you've made a mistake.

I think he made a conscious decision to go in a different direction, but I think it was as much for him as for everyone else.