Regarding Relapse conspiracy theories on here

[BlueberryWun]

I just don't think Em liked it that much... afterwards anyway.

I think it was always that simple

[Despicable]

EM scrapped Relapse 2 after the shitstorm he got from fans and critics over Relapse (i love Relapse) but most fans hated it cos of the accent.
He changed it and went in another direction,thats what the fans wanted him to do and he did it.
Thats what i think.
Dont think it had anything to do with Jimmy or anybody else at Interscope.

[BlueberryWun]

I can see why people say he scrapped R2 after the fans negative feelin towards the subject matter, accent and theme. At the same time Em has got negative feed back for certain songs his whole career so even that sounds exagerrated.

[RapMusic101]

Relapse is such a classic album

[NextEpisode]

This topic is a result of a serious amount of research, combined with an intelligent way of thinking about business

[BlueberryWun]

You know what really is ironic though Interscope made Em makes singles like The Real Slim Shady, Without Me, Just Lose It and We Made you he didn't wanna create these lead singles. Then he finally had 100% creative control for his lead single on Recovery and made Not Afraid 100% wat he wanted to do and that single goes on to reach number 1 on the charts and be more succesful than the singles Jimmy wanted him to do like The Real Slim Shady.

[NeverSincerely]

You literally know nothing about sales or charts whatsoever.
I also like how you didn't address ANY of the other points I made after my first sentence.

Bullshit all the way... Relapse was stuck on a mill & a half selling 10k a week & then it did 160k or so first week after the re release...

This is what the re-release sold first week in the U.S.:
#11 Eminem Relapse 128,000 1,694,000 (week ending 12/27/2009)

Both Jay's & BEP's albums started with like half of Relapse's first week sales & were already comfortably ahead of it before the re release.

Jay Z never surpassed him in sales, while the BEP did.
These are the album totals the week before the re-release:

BLACK EYED PEAS - The E.N.D. : 1,635,585
EMINEM - Relapse : 1,566,871
JAY-Z - The Blueprint 3 : 1,431,198

& then it kept going with 50k for two months or so.

This is how much Relapse sold every week after the re-release before it hit 2 million,
Take note of how it didn't sell 50k a single week after the re-release.

Chart position/Album/Sales within the week/total sales
13 Relapse 40,862 1,735,358 (1/03/2010)
16 Relapse 24,461 1,759,819 (1/10/2010)
23 Relapse 16,687 1,776,506 (1/17/2010)
30 Relapse 14,560 1,791,066 (1/24/2010)
42 Relapse 14,030 1,805,096 (1/31/2010)
34 Relapse 18,408 1,823,504 (2/07/2010) Grammy performance Sales boost
49 Relapse 16,163 1,839,667 (2/14/2010)
40 Relapse 13,739 1,853,406 (2/21/2010)
45 Relapse 10,989 1,864,395 (2/28/2010)
52 Relapse 11,000 1,875,000 (3/07/2010)
69 Relapse 8,792 1,884,007 (3/14/2010)
78 Relapse 7,242 1,891,249 (3/21/2010)
80 Relapse 6,979 1,898,228 (3/28/2010)
95 Relapse 7,094 1,905,322 (4/04/2010)
76 Relapse 5,920 1,911,242 (4/11/2010)
83 Relapse can't find the sales for this week
96 Relapse 5,551 1,922,335 (4/25/2010)
89 Relapse can't find the sales for this week
73 Relapse 7,414 1,935,517 (5/09/2010) Not Afraid debuts #1
65 Relapse 6,932 1,942,449 (5/16/2010)
61 Relapse can't find the sales for this week
70 Relapse 6,425 1,955,495 (5/30/2010)
65 Relapse 6,476 1,961,971 (6/06/2010) +1%
59 Relapse 7,229 1,969,200 (6/13/2010) +12%
49 Relapse 8,656 1,977,958 (6/20/2010) +20%
50 Relapse 8,440 1,986,398 (6/27/2010) Recovery debuts #1
55 Relapse 7,684 1,994,082 (7/04/2010)
51 Relapse 7,113 2,001,195 (7/11/2010)

The fact they re released the album speaks volumes... they would never do that if they were satisfied with the number they got. It was a big fail to cancel an album that has been officially announced & they acted like they were re releasing Relapse so people would be still able to hear some of it but it was rather stupid. Again... adding Forever on it made it clear it was a all about numbers.

There are various reasons albums get a re-release, Eminem said himself that the reason they re-released the album was to tide fans over until Relapse 2. Whether you want to believe him or not is your choice, but a re-release is NOT an indicator of an album not being a commercial success or the label being unsatisfied with and album's numbers. Numerous successful albums get re-releases.

The lower sales & the reception has anything to do with them scrapping Relapse2.

The commercial success had nothing to do with scrapping Relapse 2, it was the negative feed back from the fans and critics.

Quoting myself since I already addressed the bolded point.
If you'd like, I could list off the various countries it debuted #1, it went #1 in more countries than Recovery by the way, which you probably didn't know. I could list the numerous records it broke, and I could also list various other reasons why Relapse was a commercial success. Something I wouldn't have to explain if you knew ANYTHING about charts and sales.

That guy whole theory is totally off... I am not sure he was even following closely what was happening at the time 'cuz that whole thing sounds like Don Quixote kinda theory.

I'm not sure YOU were following closely what happened at the time either, since so many of the "facts" you gave out turned out to be wrong.

[Emadyville]

Also it didnt do 700K first week. More like 400+K

it did 608k first week, thats a fact

[BlueberryWun]

It was kind of a funny turn of events wen you look at it from the very start wen you look back. Em originally around 2006-2007 was recording King Mathers basically an album in theme similar to Recovery except it was gonna be produced by him. Songs like Beautiful were intented to be on KIng Mathers. Then he decides to scrap that album and feels he wanted to go in the shady psycho direction instead the album comes out but gets negative feed back but the song that was intended to be on King Mathers that he put Relapse Beautiful however gets the best feed back from the public and critics. Em then starts listening to Relapse and he feels it won't stand the test of time and age well. So he scraps Relapse 2 then goes back to making an album in theme he wanted to make originally with King Mathers except he decided not to produce on it and for the first time use outside production and calls it Recovery.

[CanadaPure]

It was kind of a funny turn of events wen you look at it from the very start wen you look back. Em originally around 2006-2007 was recording King Mathers basically an album in theme similar to Recovery except it was gonna be produced by him. Songs like Beautiful were intented to be on KIng Mathers. Then he decides to scrap that album and feels he wanted to go in the shady psycho direction instead the album comes out but gets negative feed back but the song that was intended to be on King Mathers that he put Relapse Beautiful however gets the best feed back from the public and critics. Em then starts listening to Relapse and he feels it won't stand the test of time and age well. So he scraps Relapse 2 then goes back to making an album in theme he wanted to make originally with King Mathers except he decided not to produce on it and for the first time use outside production and calls it Recovery.

I think you're a little bit confused as far as the timeline goes for "King Mathers". A lot of people don't even think there really was a King Mathers recorded, aside from a bit of speculation. The only person to ever talk about King Mathers was Ca$his in 2007, and the rest of the Shady camp pretty much denied it. Songs that have been speculated for King Mathers also includes GOAT, and The Apple, which had that drugged out sound, much like The Re-Up.

There wasn't ever really an album to scrap since King Mathers would have been recorded when Eminem was drugged out as hell. When he got sober again he started working on the Relapse album. If anything, he would have scrapped King Mathers (if it even existed) because it sounded like drugged out material that he didn't think was his best work after he got sober.

There's absolutely no way to connect King Mathers and Recovery. We have absolutely no idea what the content of King Mathers was going to be, aside from a few speculated tracks.

[Francesco]

This topic is a result of a serious amount of research, combined with an intelligent way of thinking about business

Nope... the research was not accurate at all & Recovery makes this intelligent way of thinking about business look slow.

[EminemBase]

"Crack a Bottle" was not a Relapse track.

They stuck it on there, precisely and only because it was a hit. It was intended for 50's album.

Along with "Beautiful", they were the safety hits. As beyond "We Made You", they had nothing else... or rather, weren't brave enough, to run with anything else off the album.

Also, it sold just over 600k, had a big drop-off and mixed reviews and fan reactions.

I don't particularly think Jimmy and co. forced Em, other than 'suggesting' that he try something else; but Eminem didn't change course because he was unhappy with Relapse. He changed course because he was unhappy with the reactions of fans and critics, to Relapse.

Then just acts as if it was because he changed his mind on Relapse, to appear integral.

50 said Em didn't like how fans reacted which is why he did Recovery.

[SliK]

You literally know nothing about sales or charts whatsoever.
I also like how you didn't address ANY of the other points I made after my first sentence.

Bullshit all the way... Relapse was stuck on a mill & a half selling 10k a week & then it did 160k or so first week after the re release...

This is what the re-release sold first week in the U.S.:
#11 Eminem Relapse 128,000 1,694,000 (week ending 12/27/2009)

Both Jay's & BEP's albums started with like half of Relapse's first week sales & were already comfortably ahead of it before the re release.

Jay Z never surpassed him in sales, while the BEP did.
These are the album totals the week before the re-release:

BLACK EYED PEAS - The E.N.D. : 1,635,585
EMINEM - Relapse : 1,566,871
JAY-Z - The Blueprint 3 : 1,431,198

& then it kept going with 50k for two months or so.

This is how much Relapse sold every week after the re-release before it hit 2 million,
Take note of how it didn't sell 50k a single week after the re-release.

Chart position/Album/Sales within the week/total sales
13 Relapse 40,862 1,735,358 (1/03/2010)
16 Relapse 24,461 1,759,819 (1/10/2010)
23 Relapse 16,687 1,776,506 (1/17/2010)
30 Relapse 14,560 1,791,066 (1/24/2010)
42 Relapse 14,030 1,805,096 (1/31/2010)
34 Relapse 18,408 1,823,504 (2/07/2010) Grammy performance Sales boost
49 Relapse 16,163 1,839,667 (2/14/2010)
40 Relapse 13,739 1,853,406 (2/21/2010)
45 Relapse 10,989 1,864,395 (2/28/2010)
52 Relapse 11,000 1,875,000 (3/07/2010)
69 Relapse 8,792 1,884,007 (3/14/2010)
78 Relapse 7,242 1,891,249 (3/21/2010)
80 Relapse 6,979 1,898,228 (3/28/2010)
95 Relapse 7,094 1,905,322 (4/04/2010)
76 Relapse 5,920 1,911,242 (4/11/2010)
83 Relapse can't find the sales for this week
96 Relapse 5,551 1,922,335 (4/25/2010)
89 Relapse can't find the sales for this week
73 Relapse 7,414 1,935,517 (5/09/2010) Not Afraid debuts #1
65 Relapse 6,932 1,942,449 (5/16/2010)
61 Relapse can't find the sales for this week
70 Relapse 6,425 1,955,495 (5/30/2010)
65 Relapse 6,476 1,961,971 (6/06/2010) +1%
59 Relapse 7,229 1,969,200 (6/13/2010) +12%
49 Relapse 8,656 1,977,958 (6/20/2010) +20%
50 Relapse 8,440 1,986,398 (6/27/2010) Recovery debuts #1
55 Relapse 7,684 1,994,082 (7/04/2010)
51 Relapse 7,113 2,001,195 (7/11/2010)

The fact they re released the album speaks volumes... they would never do that if they were satisfied with the number they got. It was a big fail to cancel an album that has been officially announced & they acted like they were re releasing Relapse so people would be still able to hear some of it but it was rather stupid. Again... adding Forever on it made it clear it was a all about numbers.

There are various reasons albums get a re-release, Eminem said himself that the reason they re-released the album was to tide fans over until Relapse 2. Whether you want to believe him or not is your choice, but a re-release is NOT an indicator of an album not being a commercial success or the label being unsatisfied with and album's numbers. Numerous successful albums get re-releases.

The lower sales & the reception has anything to do with them scrapping Relapse2.

The commercial success had nothing to do with scrapping Relapse 2, it was the negative feed back from the fans and critics.

Quoting myself since I already addressed the bolded point.
If you'd like, I could list off the various countries it debuted #1, it went #1 in more countries than Recovery by the way, which you probably didn't know. I could list the numerous records it broke, and I could also list various other reasons why Relapse was a commercial success. Something I wouldn't have to explain if you knew ANYTHING about charts and sales.

That guy whole theory is totally off... I am not sure he was even following closely what was happening at the time 'cuz that whole thing sounds like Don Quixote kinda theory.

I'm not sure YOU were following closely what happened at the time either, since so many of the "facts" you gave out turned out to be wrong.

The only thing better than putting someone down with a barrage of insults is with a barrage of facts.

[Francesco]

You literally know nothing about sales or charts whatsoever.
I also like how you didn't address ANY of the other points I made after my first sentence.

Bullshit all the way... Relapse was stuck on a mill & a half selling 10k a week & then it did 160k or so first week after the re release...

This is what the re-release sold first week in the U.S.:
#11 Eminem Relapse 128,000 1,694,000 (week ending 12/27/2009)

Both Jay's & BEP's albums started with like half of Relapse's first week sales & were already comfortably ahead of it before the re release.

Jay Z never surpassed him in sales, while the BEP did.
These are the album totals the week before the re-release:

BLACK EYED PEAS - The E.N.D. : 1,635,585
EMINEM - Relapse : 1,566,871
JAY-Z - The Blueprint 3 : 1,431,198

& then it kept going with 50k for two months or so.

This is how much Relapse sold every week after the re-release before it hit 2 million,
Take note of how it didn't sell 50k a single week after the re-release.

Chart position/Album/Sales within the week/total sales
13 Relapse 40,862 1,735,358 (1/03/2010)
16 Relapse 24,461 1,759,819 (1/10/2010)
23 Relapse 16,687 1,776,506 (1/17/2010)
30 Relapse 14,560 1,791,066 (1/24/2010)
42 Relapse 14,030 1,805,096 (1/31/2010)
34 Relapse 18,408 1,823,504 (2/07/2010) Grammy performance Sales boost
49 Relapse 16,163 1,839,667 (2/14/2010)
40 Relapse 13,739 1,853,406 (2/21/2010)
45 Relapse 10,989 1,864,395 (2/28/2010)
52 Relapse 11,000 1,875,000 (3/07/2010)
69 Relapse 8,792 1,884,007 (3/14/2010)
78 Relapse 7,242 1,891,249 (3/21/2010)
80 Relapse 6,979 1,898,228 (3/28/2010)
95 Relapse 7,094 1,905,322 (4/04/2010)
76 Relapse 5,920 1,911,242 (4/11/2010)
83 Relapse can't find the sales for this week
96 Relapse 5,551 1,922,335 (4/25/2010)
89 Relapse can't find the sales for this week
73 Relapse 7,414 1,935,517 (5/09/2010) Not Afraid debuts #1
65 Relapse 6,932 1,942,449 (5/16/2010)
61 Relapse can't find the sales for this week
70 Relapse 6,425 1,955,495 (5/30/2010)
65 Relapse 6,476 1,961,971 (6/06/2010) +1%
59 Relapse 7,229 1,969,200 (6/13/2010) +12%
49 Relapse 8,656 1,977,958 (6/20/2010) +20%
50 Relapse 8,440 1,986,398 (6/27/2010) Recovery debuts #1
55 Relapse 7,684 1,994,082 (7/04/2010)
51 Relapse 7,113 2,001,195 (7/11/2010)

The fact they re released the album speaks volumes... they would never do that if they were satisfied with the number they got. It was a big fail to cancel an album that has been officially announced & they acted like they were re releasing Relapse so people would be still able to hear some of it but it was rather stupid. Again... adding Forever on it made it clear it was a all about numbers.

There are various reasons albums get a re-release, Eminem said himself that the reason they re-released the album was to tide fans over until Relapse 2. Whether you want to believe him or not is your choice, but a re-release is NOT an indicator of an album not being a commercial success or the label being unsatisfied with and album's numbers. Numerous successful albums get re-releases.

The lower sales & the reception has anything to do with them scrapping Relapse2.

The commercial success had nothing to do with scrapping Relapse 2, it was the negative feed back from the fans and critics.

Quoting myself since I already addressed the bolded point.
If you'd like, I could list off the various countries it debuted #1, it went #1 in more countries than Recovery by the way, which you probably didn't know. I could list the numerous records it broke, and I could also list various other reasons why Relapse was a commercial success. Something I wouldn't have to explain if you knew ANYTHING about charts and sales.

That guy whole theory is totally off... I am not sure he was even following closely what was happening at the time 'cuz that whole thing sounds like Don Quixote kinda theory.

I'm not sure YOU were following closely what happened at the time either, since so many of the "facts" you gave out turned out to be wrong.

The only thing better than putting someone down with a barrage of insults is with a barrage of facts.

I can't believe how ignorant, stupid & embarrassing that was for both of you.
So you said the re-release didn't help much for the sales but then brought that piece of statistics yourself & didn't feel stupid about it. I was talking about the numbers on top of my head obviously, it wasn't about facts but it obviously shows the re-release helped a great deal & this was the point. Why didn't you bring the week sales before the re release genius? I dare you to bring the few weeks before the re release. I promise we'll talk again about facts when you bring that! Do it & bring Jay's & BEP's first week sales too!

Do you realize they were desperate enough to put someone else's record on the album when they re-released it?
Do you realize there was no Relapse anymore when they re-released it with a new title & someone else's song plus whooping 6 new ones on it. I'm gald you use statistics & shit but use your head as well. Here comes a fact that would make you sad... Refill could be easily a 7 songs EP on itself but they ridiculously made it a Relapse re-release exactly 'cuz they needed a boost in sales 'cuz Relapse was stuck on 1.7 mills & that is ridiculously low for an Em solo album. This thing alone rapes your theory... as a FACT so just beat it.

Recovery sold twice the Relapse numbers & they didn't need to re-release it... talk about facts. Did you even read the OP before you started with the ''facts''.

I won't even comment on the sad & obsessed with me groupie who added to your post.

[BlueberryWun]

"Crack a Bottle" was not a Relapse track.

They stuck it on there, precisely and only because it was a hit. It was intended for 50's album.

Along with "Beautiful", they were the safety hits. As beyond "We Made You", they had nothing else... or rather, weren't brave enough, to run with anything else off the album.

Also, it sold just over 600k, had a big drop-off and mixed reviews and fan reactions.

I don't particularly think Jimmy and co. forced Em, other than 'suggesting' that he try something else; but Eminem didn't change course because he was unhappy with Relapse. He changed course because he was unhappy with the reactions of fans and critics, to Relapse.

Then just acts as if it was because he changed his mind on Relapse, to appear integral.

50 said Em didn't like how fans reacted which is why he did Recovery.

In interviews he said well numerous interviews he said the replay value of the album for him wore of and he felt that after listening to it once the replay value was gone. He said after trying to listen to it more than once he felt it wouldn't age well and stand the test of time.