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Postby Inzanity » Aug 8th, '06, 21:49

ASP wrote:bahahahah, ratial prejudice, it was a white man that decided to hand a white wannabe mc hammer behind the mic, and give him a contract. Our own fault, its cause of our own wackness, And its also the white people that signed black people contracts coz lables like interscope are owned by white people. Race had absolutely nothing to do with it at the period, it was just a style and a trend that was marketted at the time.


race had everything to do with it when Eminem came out because white rappers were no longer excepted in the industry at that time. And Eminem was signed by a black man because those white people that own those other record labels wouldn't sign him. And Eminem did open the door for other white rappers because like I said, before Eminem came along no record company would sign a white rapper because they didn't think a white rapper could be successful after what had happened wit Vanilla Ice and Eminem proved them wrong and showed them that he could be successful and thats when other record companys opened up to signing white rappers.
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Postby AspirinE » Aug 8th, '06, 22:02

race had everything to do with it when Eminem came out because white rappers were no longer excepted in the industry at that time. And Eminem was signed by a black man because those white people that own those other record labels wouldn't sign him. And Eminem did open the door for other white rappers because like I said, before Eminem came along no record company would sign a white rapper because they didn't think a white rapper could be successful after what had happened wit Vanilla Ice and Eminem proved them wrong and showed them that he could be successful and thats when other record companys opened up to signing white rappers.


I swear to got u just repeated waever some stupid little eminem documentary says. Eminem proved wat, were the rest of the dope whit rappers, eminem took over the white thrown and is now eating of his own crackery, barking at the other white puppies.

Jimmi Iovine and interscope made eminem happen and they are the ones that saw the profit, the instustry doesnt give a fuck about music, it doesnt.
Record companies started signing white rappers not because they suddenly saw talent, they suddently saw high ratings on mtv.

Pop culture is not real influence. Out of a gozzilion eminem fans out there, only about 25% are worth to be hip hop fans.
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Postby Inzanity » Aug 8th, '06, 22:24

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I swear to got u just repeated waever some stupid little eminem documentary says. Eminem proved wat, were the rest of the dope whit rappers, eminem took over the white thrown and is now eating of his own crackery, barking at the other white puppies.

Jimmi Iovine and interscope made eminem happen and they are the ones that saw the profit, the instustry doesnt give a fuck about music, it doesnt.
Record companies started signing white rappers not because they suddenly saw talent, they suddently saw high ratings on mtv.

Pop culture is not real influence. Out of a gozzilion eminem fans out there, only about 25% are worth to be hip hop fans.


there were high ratings on MTV before Eminem came out. So WTF are u talkin' about. And I didn't just repeat a documentry so again WTF are u talkin' about. You know wat ur problem is ur a white rapper who dosen't want to give Eminem credit because u don't want to admit that if it weren't for Eminem white rappers wouldn't be excepted in the idustry. And I don't just watch Eminem documentrys I watch hip-hop documentrys I know all about hip hop music I grew up listening to Run DMC, Slick Rick, Tupac, Biggie, Fat Joe, Big Pun, House Of Pain, Mobb Deep, Rakim and even Vanilla Ice and many other rappers. And I don't understand y me startin' this petition is gettin' u so fuckin' pissed off. Lighting up a bit would ya all u have to say is ur not gonna sign it and thats it u don't have to give an explaination as to y ur not signing it. Cause' to be honest wit u I don't give a fuck as to y ur not signing it. now quit the bitchin' and complaining it's fuckin' useless to argue over a petition that u don't fuckin' agree with.
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Postby AspirinE » Aug 8th, '06, 22:41

there were high ratings on MTV before Eminem came out. So WTF are u talkin' about. And I didn't just repeat a documentry so again WTF are u talkin' about. You know wat ur problem is ur a white rapper who dosen't want to give Eminem credit because u don't want to admit that if it weren't for Eminem white rappers wouldn't be excepted in the idustry. And I don't just watch Eminem documentrys I watch hip-hop documentrys I know all about hip hop music I grew up listening to Run DMC, Slick Rick, Tupac, Biggie, Fat Joe, Big Pun, House Of Pain, Mobb Deep, Rakim and even Vanilla Ice and many other rappers. And I don't understand y me startin' this petition is gettin' u so fuckin' pissed off. Lighting up a bit would ya all u have to say is ur not gonna sign it and thats it u don't have to give an explaination as to y ur not signing it. Cause' to be honest wit u I don't give a fuck as to y ur not signing it. now quit the bitchin' and complaining it's fuckin' useless to argue over a petition that u don't fuckin' agree with.



#1 - Im not pissed off, im debating. Not even an arguement, just cause i said "fucking" in one sentence dont make a pissed of person and dont make me a hater. Were exchanging opinion. were signing a petition about a white rappers influence so im debating on topic, uless this isnt a discussion forum.

#2 - Im not a rapper, and im not trying to be one, just wasting my time in a unique creative way, the time i have a lot of at this point in my life. I got other ways to earn money, i have one more year to go till i become an architect. Im prevelaged to grow up in a non-racist society were the black/white thing aint an issue in pop culture or art, were wu-tang is still more popular then eminem, to this day. Not only do i not care what ind of "white hip hop scene" he opened a door to, but i think its also racist to devide rappers into white or black. This inovation of "white" hip hop is nothing.. its something that have happened in any fair society.
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Postby infinitesnowboy » Aug 8th, '06, 22:42

He meant that Eminem would garner high ratings on MTV so he was signed.

But yeah, the petition seems to be going kinda slowly.
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Postby Inzanity » Aug 8th, '06, 22:50

infinitesnowboy wrote:He meant that Eminem would garner high ratings on MTV so he was signed.

But yeah, the petition seems to be going kinda slowly.


I just started the petition today how fast do u expected it to go I mean it was just started like 2 or 3 hours so u can't expect it to be full of names yet
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Postby Inzanity » Aug 8th, '06, 22:52

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there were high ratings on MTV before Eminem came out. So WTF are u talkin' about. And I didn't just repeat a documentry so again WTF are u talkin' about. You know wat ur problem is ur a white rapper who dosen't want to give Eminem credit because u don't want to admit that if it weren't for Eminem white rappers wouldn't be excepted in the idustry. And I don't just watch Eminem documentrys I watch hip-hop documentrys I know all about hip hop music I grew up listening to Run DMC, Slick Rick, Tupac, Biggie, Fat Joe, Big Pun, House Of Pain, Mobb Deep, Rakim and even Vanilla Ice and many other rappers. And I don't understand y me startin' this petition is gettin' u so fuckin' pissed off. Lighting up a bit would ya all u have to say is ur not gonna sign it and thats it u don't have to give an explaination as to y ur not signing it. Cause' to be honest wit u I don't give a fuck as to y ur not signing it. now quit the bitchin' and complaining it's fuckin' useless to argue over a petition that u don't fuckin' agree with.



#1 - Im not pissed off, im debating. Not even an arguement, just cause i said "fucking" in one sentence dont make a pissed of person and dont make me a hater. Were exchanging opinion. were signing a petition about a white rappers influence so im debating on topic, uless this isnt a discussion forum.

#2 - Im not a rapper, and im not trying to be one, just wasting my time in a unique creative way, the time i have a lot of at this point in my life. I got other ways to earn money, i have one more year to go till i become an architect. Im prevelaged to grow up in a non-racist society were the black/white thing aint an issue in pop culture or art, were wu-tang is still more popular then eminem, to this day. Not only do i not care what ind of "white hip hop scene" he opened a door to, but i think its also racist to devide rappers into white or black. This inovation of "white" hip hop is nothing.. its something that have happened in any fair society.


mabey it means nothing in ur country but it means a hell of alot in America
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Postby Inzanity » Aug 8th, '06, 23:29

TruEmFan wrote:oh god, an aspirine debate. too much to read when you're not in it :whistle: :p lol

... i'll sign the thing but i do think you got the last bit wrong. em didn't open doors for white rappers... i mean, beastie boys were the first rap artists to #1 or somethin like that... they were successful.

eminem did not open doors for paul wall or bubba sparxxx. them guys aren't anything like eminem at all, musically. i believe they would still be famous and selling records if em never came out cuz their style is so different from what em does.

what i think eminem did do was just prove that a white guy can ride with the big dogs in hip hop. beastie boys were real successful, but they were never compared to big, pac, nas, rakim, etc. em just came out and he really showed lyrical genius. and he happened to be white, big deal.

that's how i feel about it... and ummm, i completely agree with what you said in the beginning, how em can never please everyone. quite sad, really :(


I'm not sayin Eminem was the original person to open the door. The Beastie Boys may have opened it but then Vanilla Ice shut that door. Eminem just reopened it. and if Eminem didn't reopen it Bubba Sparks and other white rapper would not be main stream because Every record label out said that they refused to sign a white rapper. I'm not sayin' this off the top of my head these record companys have actually stated it that they refused to sign white rappers because of what happened with Vanilla Ice. Then they saw Eminem's success and thats when they opened up to the idea of signing white rappers
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Postby claire01 » Aug 8th, '06, 23:39

Ok, I signed it :p
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Postby 56King » Aug 9th, '06, 03:22

signed it
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Postby AspirinE » Aug 9th, '06, 10:35

I'm not sayin Eminem was the original person to open the door. The Beastie Boys may have opened it but then Vanilla Ice shut that door. Eminem just reopened it. and if Eminem didn't reopen it Bubba Sparks and other white rapper would not be main stream because Every record label out said that they refused to sign a white rapper. I'm not sayin' this off the top of my head these record companys have actually stated it that they refused to sign white rappers because of what happened with Vanilla Ice. Then they saw Eminem's success and thats when they opened up to the idea of signing white rappers


The companies did open up, Eminem was lucky to be the first one, was lucky to become an MTV phenomenon. This is certainly nothing get achievement awards for.. yet, since hip hop hasnt rreally changed, and color means NOTHING. unless it means that to you, and ur sick and tired of black folks rapping.


Ur misterpreting it in favour of eminem.



Edit: What im basically tying to say is, eminem said he dont about color its raps he does, he doesnt wanna be singled out. Just the attemp of people saying ohh he made white people popular is kind of a rediculous in itself, not only since there were good rappers around, but because it be abstracting the one kind from another, fuck this whole White/black hip hop thing its all one color to me, its red with a little bit or orange on the sides and it smells like MC music.
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Postby Inzanity » Aug 9th, '06, 15:18

ASP wrote:
I'm not sayin Eminem was the original person to open the door. The Beastie Boys may have opened it but then Vanilla Ice shut that door. Eminem just reopened it. and if Eminem didn't reopen it Bubba Sparks and other white rapper would not be main stream because Every record label out said that they refused to sign a white rapper. I'm not sayin' this off the top of my head these record companys have actually stated it that they refused to sign white rappers because of what happened with Vanilla Ice. Then they saw Eminem's success and thats when they opened up to the idea of signing white rappers


The companies did open up, Eminem was lucky to be the first one, was lucky to become an MTV phenomenon. This is certainly nothing get achievement awards for.. yet, since hip hop hasnt rreally changed, and color means NOTHING. unless it means that to you, and ur sick and tired of black folks rapping.


Ur misterpreting it in favour of eminem.



Edit: What im basically tying to say is, eminem said he dont about color its raps he does, he doesnt wanna be singled out. Just the attemp of people saying ohh he made white people popular is kind of a rediculous in itself, not only since there were good rappers around, but because it be abstracting the one kind from another, fuck this whole White/black hip hop thing its all one color to me, its red with a little bit or orange on the sides and it smells like MC music.



look I didn't start this petition because of the fact that theres alot of white rappers out that probably wouldn't be out if eminem never came out. I started it mainly because eminem stoped racisim in hip hop. Now I don't know wat it's like in ur country but I know here in America it used to like this if u were white and u went to a rap battle u'd get booed off stage before u even got the chance to start rhymeing. But ever since people saw the success of Eminem white people can go to a rap battle and not get booed off the stage before they start to rhyme. People actually take the chance to listen to what u have to say wether u white or black. what I'm tryin' to say is here in America people don't see color in hip hop. A rapper is a rapper. Weather he/she is white, black, purto rican, etc... but before it used to be if u was white u weren't excepted now it's like who cares what color u are as long as u can rap they'll except u and anyboby out there who denys that Eminem had anything to do with it is in some serious unheard of denial. Cause' any American who grew up listening to hip hop will know that there was a period in the history of hip hop music when white people were not excepted cause' of the color of there skin. But Eminem changed that and now like I said it no longer matters what color a person is because hip hop heads no longer see color in people they see talent. And I don't know about in ur country but I know in my country it's because Eminem made that possible. Eminem made hip hop history. There are a lot of hip hop legends out there but only a few of those hip hop legends made hip hop history. Now Eminem might not be a hip hop legend yet but hell he sure is a hip hip legend in the makin' and he's already made history so when he does become a hip hop legend he's gonna be one of the few hip hop legends that made history.
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Postby AspirinE » Aug 9th, '06, 15:46

I heard the heroic white man story enough already, white man in hip hop has done nothing, nothing. Hip hop hasnt changed, eminem didnt invent new flow techniques, didnt invent new styles, and his whiteness didnt bring any good white rappers to the stage yet. his fans havent made it that far yet. hes gonna hes been on the seen for 6 years only, u become a legend wen a generation grows up on ur music... wich part of that dont u understand. My country, ur country, it matters nothing, music is music. Ur social acceptance of rappers is ur own damn fault coz u are the consumer, rap as music has changed only to worse since 2000, some might even flip the cards and say eminem ruined hip hop and that will sound conivincing. Ur too concentrated on ur own and eminems color of skin. White man became popular on the mic, wen the lables decided its time to get a white man on the mic, wat u dont realise is that this could have happened any time at any lable. So wat ur gonnagive eminem an award for being a used product, would be disrespectfull even to em.

And here u are saying that he needs to be honored a fucking life achievement award, WTF!, u just admitted it urself hes only a legend in the making. Lay of the Eminem juice, and write a petition for someone who deserves it this year.

life achievemnet award lmao... gotta be fucking kidding me, Dre created a whole new sub-genre in rap and made 3 classic albums one of witch was his group, who also hapens to be a bunch of legends, thats achievement coz he changed music.


Shit even Ice cube deserves a life achievement award more then em.

Write ur fucking petition wen he does deserve it, wen his "effect" on hip hop is complete, ur petition aint gone do shit anyway, not that eminem will care of anyway. Every stan out there colored blonde hair is gone sign this but it will do nothing. but ull see him as the great white achievement anyway, u know every little detail of his life, the only rappers life that u know.


We needa teach these kids that are growing up on EM real hip hop, so they could properly understand wat eminem means to the industry andhow he compares to others, all i see is eminem boards filled with countless nubers of people Not seing anything past the mark of 2000, and u wanna write a petition to give these kids the voice of saying who deserves a life time achievement award.




The only reason i decided to answer to ur petition, coz u say "real fan", Im a real fan of D12 as real as it can be, not broadminded though, this whole petition gives a wrong sense to real fan. A real eminem, d12, whoever fan must be a real hip hop fan too, this petition seems wrong to me from merely the hip hop side.
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Postby Inzanity » Aug 9th, '06, 16:08

ASP wrote:I heard the heroic white man story enough already, white man in hip hop has done nothing, nothing. Hip hop hasnt changed, eminem didnt invent new flow techniques, didnt invent new styles, and his whiteness didnt bring any good white rappers to the stage yet. his fans havent made it that far yet. hes gonna hes been on the seen for 6 years only, u become a legend wen a generation grows up on ur music... wich part of that dont u understand. My country, ur country, it matters nothing, music is music. Ur social acceptance of rappers is ur own damn fault coz u are the consumer, rap as music has changed only to worse since 2000, some might even flip the cards and say eminem ruined hip hop and that will sound conivincing. Ur too concentrated on ur own and eminems color of skin. White man became popular on the mic, wen the lables decided its time to get a white man on the mic, wat u dont realise is that this could have happened any time at any lable. So wat ur gonnagive eminem an award for being a used product, would be disrespectfull even to em.

And here u are saying that he needs to be honored a fucking life achievement award, WTF!, u just admitted it urself hes only a legend in the making. Lay of the Eminem juice, and write a petition for someone who deserves it this year.

life achievemnet award lmao... gotta be fucking kidding me, Dre created a whole new sub-genre in rap and made 3 classic albums one of witch was his group, who also hapens to be a bunch of legends, thats achievement coz he changed music.


Shit even Ice cube deserves a life achievement award more then em.

Write ur fucking petition wen he does deserve it, wen his "effect" on hip hop is complete, ur petition aint gone do shit anyway, not that eminem will care of anyway. Every stan out there colored blonde hair is gone sign this but it will do nothing. but ull see him as the great white achievement anyway, u know every little detail of his life, the only rappers life that u know.


We needa teach these kids that are growing up on EM real hip hop, so they could properly understand wat eminem means to the industry andhow he compares to others, all i see is eminem boards filled with countless nubers of people Not seing anything past the mark of 2000, and u wanna write a petition to give these kids the voice of saying who deserves a life time achievement award.




The only reason i decided to answer to ur petition, coz u say "real fan", Im a real fan of D12 as real as it can be, not broadminded though, this whole petition gives a wrong sense to real fan. A real eminem, d12, whoever fan must be a real hip hop fan too, this petition seems wrong to me from merely the hip hop side.



let me make something clear to u Eminem has already recieved a life time achievement award in the past from MTV and now I want to take it one step further and get him a life time achievement award from the grammys thats the next step artists recieve one from MTV and then the grammys come next. Now how the fuck is it disrespectful to give him a lifetime achievement award. So ur sayin' MTV disrespected him for ur information I watched them give him that award and he seemed so happy to get it and he was practically in tears when he recieved it he loved gettin' that award. It's an honor to recieve an award like that . and if he was honored to recieve one from MTV then how the fuck would he not be honored to recieve one from the Grammys.?
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Postby AspirinE » Aug 9th, '06, 16:19

let me make something clear to u Eminem has already recieved a life time achievement award in the past from MTV and now I want to take it one step further and get him a life time achievement award from the grammys thats the next step artists recieve one from MTV and then the grammys come next. Now how the fuck is it disrespectful to give him a lifetime achievement award. So ur sayin' MTV disrespected him for ur information I watched them give him that award and he seemed so happy to get it and he was practically in tears when he recieved it he loved gettin' that award. It's an honor to recieve an award like that . and if he was honored to recieve one from MTV then how the fuck would he not be honored to recieve one from the Grammys.?


First of all...

my aguement is a bout ur petition, not about if Mtv should give him an achievement award... thats there choice, my voice does nothing... not that i have any respect for mtv anyway, since its been a long fucking time that they played real music.


my arguemnet:


- U say in ur petition that eminem is so hated and so on and so on... etc lests give him and award, coz u see people are hating on him.

eminem has always done controvercial shit on purpose, wats the point of making a petition for it wen those haters are wat makes eminem so popular.
This petition means nothing if u take that fact to consideration, and who are so pissed off about. Wat im saying is ur pissed coz just because eminen is favourite rapper u want him to win- a Stanish(groupieish) petition, a despereate cry to give eminem an award - how pathetic is that of eminem fans.

- my other point is that grammy will make their own choice without ur Stanish fucking petition. My hatefull opinion is that eminem dont deserve it now but thats my problem and the music buissnesses problem. [/quote]
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