Dr. Dre

[RealSickLindley]

^ I can't even be bothered.

Dre is not even close to the artist you make him out to me. For the record I said MMLP totally obliterates anything DRE has done artistically.

I didn't say it had more of an impact than NWA, where the fuck did you pull that from. I was talking about Dre's solo work.

Dre is slow as fuck, hasn't done that much at all besides NWA, gets full production credits on massive co-productions, samples like fuck, doesn't write his own lyrics, never innovates besides nice production.

He isn't even 1 fucking % of Eminem's genius. Has he ever created a "Stan"? a "Kim"? Fuck no. He slams massive drums on stolen melodies and gets other people to write about how important he is and how much weed he smokes... Wow.

Dre = Very famous. Em = Genius.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/artist
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/producer

Spot the difference, do some research.

But on a final note, you talk about what Dre's beats are known for..

What exactly are Em's known for? I mean past Trshady.com, amongst people who hardly know which ones he's produced.

Exactly. Nothing.

Just another artist learning his trade in the studio, just lucky that he's learning from a Genius.

Not saying he won't go on to be a great producer when he's finished rapping.. But to compare now.. It's not even worth thinkin' about..

[shadyboymez]

Dre is a producer . Eminem is a rapper. This is not Dre vs. Em to me, it is just GIVE DRE THE CREDIT HE DESERVES. fuck

get off em's dick you stan. hip hop had existed long before Eminem became famous and Dre was a huge pioneer. shame on you.

Dre = legend
Eminem = legend

no need to diss anyone, they both did a great deal for eachother's careers, especially longevity wise. But Dre did much more for Eminem in my mind. If Eminem didn't think Dre was still a top of the line producer, would he have enlisted him for all but 1 beat on Relapse..not quite,

[gvdz]

Dr Dre is the king of the West!
I love the old g-funk songs he produced

[EminemBase]

But on a final note, you talk about what Dre's beats are known for..

What exactly are Em's known for? I mean past Trshady.com, amongst people who hardly know which ones he's produced.

Exactly. Nothing.

Just another artist learning his trade in the studio, just lucky that he's learning from a Genius.

Not saying he won't go on to be a great producer when he's finished rapping.. But to compare now.. It's not even worth thinkin' about..

Em's beats are actually known for being original. You know he comes up with melodies in his head and rarely ever samples unless he re-works the chorus.

Where as up until recently, Dre would sample 3-5 songs per track, rarely original. Just very maticulous and clear. And loud.

Dr. Dre is not a genius. He's a great producer.

Eminem is a genius.

[RealSickLindley]

But on a final note, you talk about what Dre's beats are known for..

What exactly are Em's known for? I mean past Trshady.com, amongst people who hardly know which ones he's produced.

Exactly. Nothing.

Just another artist learning his trade in the studio, just lucky that he's learning from a Genius.

Not saying he won't go on to be a great producer when he's finished rapping.. But to compare now.. It's not even worth thinkin' about..

Em's beats are actually known for being original. You know he comes up with melodies in his head and rarely ever samples unless he re-works the chorus.

Where as up until recently, Dre would sample 3-5 songs per track, rarely original. Just very maticulous and clear. And loud.

Dr. Dre is not a genius. He's a great producer.

Eminem is a genius.

"Dre would sample 3-5 songs per track"

What exactly do you think Hip Hop was built on?

[shadyboymez]

But on a final note, you talk about what Dre's beats are known for..

What exactly are Em's known for? I mean past Trshady.com, amongst people who hardly know which ones he's produced.

Exactly. Nothing.

Just another artist learning his trade in the studio, just lucky that he's learning from a Genius.

Not saying he won't go on to be a great producer when he's finished rapping.. But to compare now.. It's not even worth thinkin' about..

Em's beats are actually known for being original. You know he comes up with melodies in his head and rarely ever samples unless he re-works the chorus.

Where as up until recently, Dre would sample 3-5 songs per track, rarely original. Just very maticulous and clear. And loud.

Dr. Dre is not a genius. He's a great producer.

Eminem is a genius.

on an un-related, yet related note...if Eminem's production skills are so top notch, how come Obie Trice didn't blow up after Em exec produced his two albums...hmmmm... no hate on Eminem but his production doesn't match up to Dr. Dre's. Maybe to kids it does tho

[EminemBase]

^ Because Obie Trice isn't half the rapper Eminem is.

Dre produced like two tracks on SSLP and a few on MMLP, rest was done by Em himself and the Bass Bros so I don't know why you keep making out it was Dre's production that did it.

You think Em blew up from a few Dre beats? Lmao. No he blew up from being original and shocking.

The Marshall Mathers has its reputation from the scathing wit, irony, concepts, flows and poetry. Not from the production.

Obie didn't blow up as big because he was just another 'good' rapper rapping about shit everybody had heard before. He wasn't groundbreaking.

[shadyboymez]

^^^^
not 1 song from MMLP gives production credits to the Bass Bros, only writing credit.

Dre executive produced both SSLP & MMLP, so he had the final say.

obviously Obie isn't near Eminem's status as a rapper, but is Slim really was the producer you are making him out to be, I think more songs from those Obie Trice's albums would be considered big songs today.

[EminemBase]

^^^^
not 1 song from MMLP gives production credits to the Bass Bros, only writing credit.

Dre executive produced both SSLP & MMLP, so he had the final say.

obviously Obie isn't near Eminem's status as a rapper, but is Slim really was the producer you are making him out to be, I think more songs from those Obie Trice's albums would be considered big songs today.

Not one song? What are you talking about.

Slim Shady LP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Slim_Shady_LP

Marshall Mathers LP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marshall_Mathers_LP

11 tracks on SSLP were written / produced by Em + Bass Bros and... 6 on MMLP.

Also, one track in particular "The Way I Am" was totally produced by Em and is a total original. And it's easily one of the best beats on the album. So how do you explain that if Dre is so much better.

And in an interview which I have Em even says he does most of the production work himself and is involved in everything. So Dre probably just helped arrange the albums to flow nicer.

As for a few songs from Obie's albums being bigger if Em was better, that's not true. Em's classic songs, whether produced by him or Dre are classics because of his lyricism and concepts. Not the beats.

Beats don't make songs. In rap music, the beat should be the backdrop not the driving force. So it's Obie's fault some of that material ain't huge, because although good lyrically, most of it was just generic gangsta talk and stuff people had heard from every other rapper.

Where as "Stan"... "Kim"... Obie doesn't creat things like this. Nobody does.

[RealSickLindley]

First off..

You talk alot about using facts and such like.. Then use Wiki as a source..

(jus' sayin')

Of course the beat is as important.. You can't have an artist hide behind a beat.. But also you can't have great lyricism on an average beat..

That's why Joe Budden isn't famous.

"Where as "Stan"... "Kim"... Obie doesn't creat things like this. Nobody does."

Are you aware that hundreds of artists have pioneered even better and revolutionary concepts throughout Hip Hops history?

Or are you one of those that's limited to "Dre, Obie, Royce, Cashis, Bobby Creek, Stat Quo, D12.." E.g. only people that have made contact with your rapping GOD?

[EminemBase]

First off..

You talk alot about using facts and such like.. Then use Wiki as a source..

(jus' sayin')

Of course the beat is as important.. You can't have an artist hide behind a beat.. But also you can't have great lyricism on an average beat..

That's why Joe Budden isn't famous.

"Where as "Stan"... "Kim"... Obie doesn't creat things like this. Nobody does."

Are you aware that hundreds of artists have pioneered even better and revolutionary concepts throughout Hip Hops history?

Yes I used Wiki as a source for production credits. Which are correct as I have the fucking albums myself, here in my hands.

Again you're taking my words and turning them into what you want them to be to fit your argument. At NO POINT did I say the beat wasn't important. I said the beat is the BACKKKKCDRROOOOOOOP and that it should not be the driving force. Non of Em's songs are classic because of the beat primarily.

Yes I am totally aware of all of Hip-Hop's history and no, no rapper has created anything as intense as "Kim". Not even close. That's an utterly manic, intensely real work of art.

Joe Budden is famous too. He's just not that famous because he's not that great a rapper. He's a cocky fuck who comes out with the occasional good line but he's nothing on Em.

And yes you can have great lyricism on average beats. Try Infinite.

[RealSickLindley]

First off..

You talk alot about using facts and such like.. Then use Wiki as a source..

(jus' sayin')

Of course the beat is as important.. You can't have an artist hide behind a beat.. But also you can't have great lyricism on an average beat..

That's why Joe Budden isn't famous.

"Where as "Stan"... "Kim"... Obie doesn't creat things like this. Nobody does."

Are you aware that hundreds of artists have pioneered even better and revolutionary concepts throughout Hip Hops history?

Yes I used Wiki as a source for production credits. Which are correct as I have the fucking albums myself, here in my hands.

Again you're taking my words and turning them into what you want them to be to fit your argument. At NO POINT did I say the beat wasn't important. I said the beat is the BACKKKKCDRROOOOOOOP and that it should not be the driving force. Non of Em's songs are classic because of the beat primarily.

Yes I am totally aware of all of Hip-Hop's history and no, no rapper has created anything as intense as "Kim". Not even close. That's an utterly manic, intensely real work of art.

Joe Budden is famous too. He's just not that famous because he's not that great a rapper. He's a cocky fuck who comes out with the occasional good line but he's nothing on Em.

And yes you can have great lyricism on average beats. Try Infinite.

I didn't question it, i just thought it was ironic sorry for gettin' you mad..

And you're twisting what i said, i never said you said that the beat wasn't important. I was responding to you saying that the beat was just in the background, which is bullshit. The beat is the music (the main point), and the artist is supposed to weave his lyrics in and out of it seemlessly. Therefore becoming part of the music, even thought they're neither singing nor an instrument.

And why did you bring up that none of his songs were dope just because of the beat? I can't think of any instance of that happening. Take away the vocals out of the biggest club song, and its just a hot beat.. But put the rap to it, and suddenly it's "In Da Club" or "Lean Back" or "Bedrock".. Em's not special in that sense.

Kim is on the borderline of not being rap. It's extremely different, it's the closest Em gets to switching Genre's.. Infact.. It's more of a rant than an actual song.. So you can't compare that to the Genre, when it doesn't belong there.. And i'm sure if you compare it to Genre's that have that kind of content, it'll not be the truest and deepest..

Joe Budden is only known on the internet, which is a shame, because he's extrememly talented. And brushing off talent like that with saying he has a "few good lines" is pitiful and shows VERY little knowledge about rap. He has a flow that can keep up with Em 7/10, he's creative, and has come up with really emotional and deep pieces. So open your eyes.

I didn't say that you couldn't, but just as long as you weren't bothered about it being successful or very listenable. Why do you think Infinite flopped? Apart from him soundin' like AZ/Nas and blowing content or even sense, for multi's.

[shadyboymez]

i also have the MMLP booklet right here, and from what I'm reading the only credits to the Bass Brothers on that album are writing credits. Anyway, who cares...are you gona tell me the Bass Brothers are better than Dre too now? SSLP was less Dre production, because he was new to the Aftermath label at the time. SSLP beats not produced by Dre have a more underground effect to them, not that this is a bad thing...but it turned out that Eminem wanted to branch off from his roots. Obviously the fact that on MMLP Dre appeared more frequently is saying that Eminem felt he could feed off of his beats in a way.

and youre taking this like im dissing Eminem, which I am in no way doing, and neither is the other guy here. We are just saying that Dr. Dre deserves much more credit than you are willing to give him..

[RealSickLindley]

i also have the MMLP booklet right here, and from what I'm reading the only credits to the Bass Brothers on that album are writing credits. Anyway, who cares...are you gona tell me the Bass Brothers are better than Dre too now? SSLP was less Dre production, because he was new to the Aftermath label at the time. SSLP beats not produced by Dre have a more underground effect to them, not that this is a bad thing...but it turned out that Eminem wanted to branch off from his roots. Obviously the fact that on MMLP Dre appeared more frequently is saying that Eminem felt he could feed off of his beats in a way.

and youre taking this like im dissing Eminem, which I am in no way doing, and neither is the other guy here. We are just saying that Dr. Dre deserves much more credit than you are willing to give him..

Exactly.. We're both on a fuckin' Eminem Forum lmao

[shadyboymez]

^^^^^
and just because we are on an eminem forum, doesn't mean we think he is the best at everything that has to do with music haha. to true music fans with open minds. to dickriding fans