PT Article!: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery”

[AbramIsaac]

Lol, it sounds like that whole thing was written by eminembase. a bunch of fancy words strung together while overly complimenting his use of the english language.

Some people type in "fancy" words, as you call them, because it comes naturally to them. Some people do not. Then, there are those who are seemingly threatened by the very use of them.

Which category do you fall into?

[mceddie]

.... I'm not even going to bother this time.

[Lilyrussell]

Just seen this.

The guy can't speak correct english half the time yet can draw concepts well from his own experiences and thoughts. Which shows that he was brought up with a good vocab in a limited context (dictionary) and strived to creatively impress (battle scene), but obviously couldn't hack anything as structured as school.

I stand by what i said, but cool article bro

Lindley Wha? He "CAN'T" or he chooses not to because that's the type of lifestyle he leads" What the hell makes you think he could not hack school given a different home & social environment where an importance on education was emphasized from the outset and support from his parents were available? He didn't drop out of school due to a lack of intelligence! Dude do have any idea what his childhood was like? School was the last thing going through his mind! Look dude Think about how important comprehension is in learning, you Can't possess the type of cognitive abilities he displays and say the guy is stupid! It's not just about his vocabulary, it what is underneath that. The "sophisticated" and clever way in which he comprehends that vocabulary and the sophisticated & clever way in which he puts that vocabulary together as a result of that comprehension. His reasoning and problem solving skillz. He obviously can understand anything, and figure out a way to apply it . Suggesting that given a different environment he'd have excelled in a structure setting like school.

Sorry he is not stupid, but I'm having my doubts about you pal..

[iain08]

Some people type in "fancy" words, as you call them, because it comes naturally to them. Some people do not. Then, there are those who are seemingly threatened by the very use of them.

Which category do you fall into?

It's not just his fancy words, his arrogant attitude pisses me off. He's so fucking annoying, he turns a casual discussion into some big fucking debate.

For someone who hates EminemBase so much, you sure do talk about him a lot. No matter what, you always come up and say "now EminemBase" this or "sounds like EminemBase". He hasn't even said shit to you and you just go off and say that. Obsessed much?

Ya got me, I love him. No, I hate the way he types and his general attitude. Look at my sig, that's what first started it, that one thread where he tried to scare some dude. OH SHIT. I insult him for the fuck of it.

[RealSickLindley]

Just seen this.

The guy can't speak correct english half the time yet can draw concepts well from his own experiences and thoughts. Which shows that he was brought up with a good vocab in a limited context (dictionary) and strived to creatively impress (battle scene), but obviously couldn't hack anything as structured as school.

I stand by what i said, but cool article bro

Lindley Wha? He "CAN'T" or he chooses not to because that's the type of lifestyle he leads" What the hell makes you think he could not hack school given a different home & social environment where an importance on education was emphasized from the outset and support from his parents were available? He didn't drop out of school due to a lack of intelligence! Dude do have any idea what his childhood was like? School was the last thing going through his mind! Look dude Think about how important comprehension is in learning, you Can't possess the type of cognitive abilities he displays and say the guy is stupid! It's not just about his vocabulary, it what is underneath that. The "sophisticated" and clever way in which he comprehends that vocabulary and the sophisticated & clever way in which he puts that vocabulary together as a result of that comprehension. His reasoning and problem solving skillz. He obviously can understand anything, and figure out a way to apply it . Suggesting that given a different environment he'd have excelled in a structure setting like school.

Sorry he is not stupid, but I'm having my doubts about you pal..

He's said that he didn't give a fuck at school, and just wrote rhymes in class and shit. It's not like he tried so hard, but was like 'i just can't do it with these conditions'. I don't know why you're bringing up his background though, cos that's what has made a big difference to him being a bit thick I mean the word intelligence can be put to different things, but if we're talking about using their language, having general knowledge in life topics and relevant subjects.. then of course someone with a good upbringing will be smarter.. Not taking anything away from him, it's just the truth.

'Stupid as shit, rich as fuck, and proud of it'

The guy can be very witty, but that's just a personality trait he obviously grew subconsciously to protect against hate and to give him an edge in battling. It does not show intelligence, it's a human gimmick, although fair play for him using it well.

On a final point, can i get across, when i say he's stupid, i'm not putting him down as an artist, i'm just saying it how it is. Poor background, bad use of the english language in speach, etc.

I thought that's what we were talking about, not how much we like his music.

[Dark Blue]

cool?

[Dark Blue]

Eminem eats pussy. You don't get any more straight than that.


lol. pussy is such a dirty word.

he spits on them first

[Sablesilk]

^^

[RealSickLindley]

Omg, this board is on another level sometimes.

let me try this again, i'm preaching to the already converted.

1. He didn't go to the lessons. Therefore didn't claim the knowledge. And what do we call someone without knowledge? Also, there's no point in saying 'well if he had turned up to his classes..' cos you could say that for any bum on the street begging for change, or any guy asking if you want extra fries behind a counter.

2. Oh i do think he's a bit thick. But i don't listen to people on smarts. I mean i listen to hip hop (not just eminem..) and the chances are, with its background, that it has the lowest IQ in music. But does that make me love it less. No. Because i'm not a snob, and actually respect artists more who came from nothing, had nothing, knew nothing, but yet made SOMETHING.

3. I stopped reading at the point of 'he knows what most American guys his age would', cos you just ethered yourself with that line lol

4. I don't think you quite get his lyrics, another fan who uses them to get across what THEY think, not what Em was saying. He IS saying that he's stupid by the social understanding of stupidy, AKA, the school system and the method of education. He's saying, if you can't hack school, you aren't the brightest, or come from a background that doesn't make education your priority.. Don't take shit from others saying you're worthless, cos there's a place for everyone in this world, and yours might just be making a name for yourself.

5. Of course it is, in the same way a fat kid will develop the skill to turn social situations funny, because if he's funny, he's less likely to be bullied. You catching up with me yet?

6. This part made me laugh the most. Sorry for making a mistake btw, i'm currently in bed pretty ill, and not really mentally with it as much as usual, but i have high qualifications in English, so don't worry about my grammar too much. I think you saying it's 'plainly obvious' he has these skills is funny, i mean, based on what? A couple of sentences on twitter and an autobiography with an editor.. Are you shitting me? Stop letting your protectiveness of Em get in the way of fact, cos i'm telling you i'm not putting him down for it, or saying he's any less of a person, or any less of a poet. I'm speaking the TRUTH. The same way as if i said someone walking past me on the street couldn't finish school, had come from a poor background, and was in an art that mattered more what you said, than how you said it/wrote it down.. I'd say they were probably stupid, regardless of personality and occupation etc.

Oh and him being a 'modern poet' is arguable anyway. But if we say he is, why do you need to be smart to be a poet? It's more about how you originate thoughts, consider them, then project them. Nowhere in that does there have to be perfect english or grammar, so that point is so irrelevant, i'm gonna pretend you didn't say it

And finally.. The slang thing is bit stupid too. Because i speak in my own slang, but i also know how to speak properly. And there is no evidence of eminem ever in his music/interviews of him doing that. So what the fuck are you on about? If someone on here came on and couldn't spell a couple of words, used incorrect grammar, and you disagreed with him.. You'd bring it up and call him a thick fuck.. So how is it different from being honest about your idol?

Sorry about the long reply, it's just that i spoke the honest truth, even whilst being a massive eminem fan. Then i get it analysed as if i've dissed Em, only for another poster to clap it as if i'm Sac being put in my place. Fuck that shit

[Jaz]

I was classified as a genius at one time, but I'm a college dropout who earned zero credits over two semesters. Education is not equal to intelligence.. Similar to Em's story, I never really paid attention throughout school. I'd do homework from one class in the next, and if there was none to do I'd draw or write. In 14 years of classes I never studied once, and for the last couple years of high school I'd only show up like half the time.. I rarely put effort in, but got what I needed out.

Fuck, even if I had dropped out in.. say ninth grade.. I'd still be a hell of a lot smarter than most people I run into. The point I'm making, is Em could very well have not paid attention and skipped class and still be an intelligent person.. and he's damn sure an intelligent writer. Not saying he is or isn't smart, but it's stupid to assume.

[RealSickLindley]

I was classified as a genius at one time, but I'm a college dropout. Education is not equal to intelligence.

I've mentioned this. People were talking about the social understanding of intelligence when they made this thread, so i argued around that nature.

BUT, i said that he was creative, therefore creatively intelligent, when i said there were different meanings to intelligence.

If the thread is still on its original base, then i stand by what i said.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

people calling Eminem stupid are really stupid the guy is simply a genius his witt and wordplay are something no normal IQ person can come up with he has incredible vocabulary skills and is very neat and tidy with his music people are so fuckin ignorant if they think going to school is THE ONLY way you can be smart,school's only teach you how to pass exam's and that shit,the real knowledge lies in real life and comes through day by day experience which Em is very incredible at.

Amadeo

Lindley

[iain08]

people calling Eminem stupid are really stupid the guy is simply a genius his witt and wordplay are something no normal IQ person can come up with he has incredible vocabulary skills and is very neat and tidy with his music people are so fuckin ignorant if they think going to school is THE ONLY way you can be smart,school's only teach you how to pass exam's and that shit,the real knowledge lies in real life and comes through day by day experience which Em is very incredible at.

run on sentence much? but i agree, he has shown that he is very aware of what is happening in the world, mostly on a social aspect. white america and sing for the moment are good examples. but yeah, he definitely isn't stupid.

when I was in grade 9 I wasn't stupid, so if I dropped out then people wouldn't be talking to me like I was a retard.

[RealSickLindley]

I give up.

People use this 'voice of generation' shit to cover up facts more than fuckin' Kanye.

In the words of a guy very close to my heart.

Screw you guyssss.. I'm going homeee..

[Emadyville]

It sounds like a typical college student's essay. lol @ the author thinking Eminem's anti-gay lyrics (which are non-serious) are a sign of being mentally unhealthy.

Agreed. I feel like the author just has an outside look and never was a fan or really listened to his music. The fact that they said the mmlp had a record selling single is a sure sign of that