Recovery is no better than Relapse

[MackBook]

Yes they are not really the best songs to compare Plus they are both very, very good though so maybe a tie is fair, but SS&D is a gem

This is true. People sleep too much on hello and SS&D.

[DanWS]

Its all your opinion. Why bother creating a new thread for it? There's been countless of similar/the same topics before. They're getting boring now.

[MackBook]

Its all your opinion. Why bother creating a new thread for it? There's been countless of similar/the same topics before. They're getting boring now.

This entire forum is dependent on opinions. If you dont like someone's opinion, dont read it.

[DanWS]

Its all your opinion. Why bother creating a new thread for it? There's been countless of similar/the same topics before. They're getting boring now.

This entire forum is dependent on opinions. If you dont like someone's opinion, dont read it.

I'll read it all I want, but I'm allowed to criticize it too. If you don't like my criticism, don't read it.

[freaksworld]

Its all your opinion. Why bother creating a new thread for it? There's been countless of similar/the same topics before. They're getting boring now.

This entire forum is dependent on opinions. If you dont like someone's opinion, dont read it.

I'll read it all I want, but I'm allowed to criticize it too. If you don't like my criticism don't read it.

pwn lol

[CLV22798]

The two albums are equal IMO.

My track by track comparison, doing it in order because I noticed that many of the tracks coincidentally are similar in this fashion:

Cold Wind Blows vs. 3 A.M.
The battle of the "kill people" songs. Cold Wind Blows is a solid track, but for lyrical play and originality, 3 A.M. beats it out. Plus the singing at the beginning of Cold Wind Blows nearly ruins the track for me;
Verdict: 3 A.M. (0-1)

Talkin To Myself vs. My Mom
Two self reflection songs. Talkin To Myself has superior subject matter/tone and a better hook, but My Mom has better rhymes and flow. Equal production.
Verdict: Tie (0-1)

On Fire vs. Insane
Ranting about his past and doing crazy things in both songs. Insane is a superior track in every way, IMO.
Verdict: Insane (0-2)

Wont Back Down vs. Bagpipes from Baghdad
The two experimental beat, punchline songs. Won't Back Down is terribly produced, with some terribly unfunny jokes. Bagpipes is not too much better, but its generally a better version of the same type of song.
Verdict: Bagpipes from Baghdad (0-3)

W.T.P. vs. Hello
The dancy/catchy sort of songs. White trash party wins here, hands down. Hello has some overly long lines and is not nearly as catchy, with a weak hook.
Verdict: W.T.P. (1-3)

Going Through Changes vs. Same Song and Dance
The first two songs without coincidences, except maybe the tone. Same Song and Dance is a more creative song, but emotionally and delivery wise, GTC kills.
Verdict: Going Through Changes (2-3)

Not Afraid vs. We Made You
Ah, the two first singles. Both are incredibly corny, with some unfunny and some funny jokes, some stupid lines and the radio-friendly happy beats. This one will be called a tie.
Verdict: Tie (2-3)

Seduction vs. Medicine Ball
Two directionless, nonsensical sex related songs. Seduction has very boring delivery, too slow at the start, and doesnt deliver enough rhymes, even by the end. Hook even suffers from this. Medicine Ball is far superior.
Verdict: Medicine Ball (2-4)

No Love vs. Stay Wide Awake
Two songs to show off lyrical power and great flow. Lyrically the songs are equal, but No Love kills with the beat, a great collaboration and excellent hook.
Verdict: No Love (3-4)

Space Bound vs. Old Times Sake
No coincidence in these two songs. Old Times Sake is fun to listen to, but Space Bound beats it with emotion and a great hook.
Verdict: Space Bound (4-4)

Must Be the Ganja vs. Cinderella Man
Drugs vs. metaphors for drugs. As far as I'm concerned, these songs are equally good.
Verdict: Tie (4-4)

25 to Life vs. Deja Vu
Both songs are extremely emotional, filled with great rhymes, flow and excellent beats. However, the hook, and some slightly better rhymes edge this one over to Deja Vu.
Verdict: Deja Vu (4-5)

So Bad vs. Beautiful
As much as I love to listen to So Bad, Beautiful is far superior.
Verdict: Beautiful (4-6)

Almost Famous vs. ________
Since Recovery has an extra track, and it makes sense for two collaborations to face off, I'm gonna call Almost Famous a winner by default, and a point for more content.
Verdict: Almost Famous (5-6)

Love the Way You Lie vs. Crack a Bottle
The two major collabs. LTWYL kills it. lol
Verdict: Love the Way You Lie (6-6)

You're Never Over vs. Underground
No competition here. Underground is the bomb.
Verdict: Underground (6-7)

Hidden Track (Untitled) vs. Hidden Skit (Ken Kaniff)
I'll make an exception to the skit rule here because theyre two hidden tracks. Untitled is a nice little easter egg, decent to listen a couple times. Ken Kaniff is plain creepy.
Verdict: Untitled (7-7)

The final score is 7-7, with three ties.

If you remove the fact that Almost Famous is a free point, and that Untitled vs. Ken Kaniff isn't really fair, Relapse wins, but thats not the point here.

The point is that Relapse is underrated and Recovery is overrated.

The comparison points to the fact that Relapse has a stronger Opening and Mid-End section, while Recovery has a superior Mid-Start and Ending.

Feel free to disagree, this is my opinion, and if you have a decent argument for why you disagree, go ahead and post it, I'm interested to see how other people will view this.

I respect your opinion, but I completely disagree with it. I want to make my own comparison, to see how it comes out. Since Recovery is my favorite Eminem album.


Cold Wind Blows vs 3 AM
I like both songs, and both were the perfect songs to kick off their respective cd's. I give the nod to Cold Wind Blows because I think it has one of the better beats off Recovery. To me, it sounds like a song that would of come out in the late 90's or early 00's. It was a very close call though.

Talkin 2 Myself vs My Mom
I want to come out and say that I hated the song My Mom. The last thing I wanted to hear in Eminem's comeback album after a 4 year hiatus was another song about his mom. I think the last song about his mom should of been Cleaning Out My Closet. Which was a great song. While, Talkin 2 Myself was the first song I heard off Recovery. I think it's a great reflective song, that explains how he was thinking when he was on drugs. One of my favorite songs off Recovery

On Fire vs Insane
On Fire took me awhile to actually like the song, it has a great beat to it and a good flow. but I don't think it's as good as the first 2 tracks on Recovery. While, I immediately liked the song Insane from Relapse. It had a really good beat, and a good flow to go along with it. It's one of my favorite songs on Relapse.

Won't Back Down vs Bagpipes from Baghdad
This is a weird conclusion to come up with because I like the beat better in Bagpipes From Baghdad. but, I like his flow better on Won't Back Down since he didn't have his accent in that song. I give the edge to Won't Back Down because I like Em's flow better on that song

WTP vs Hello
These are 2 songs I didn't like on either album. but if I had to choose which one was better I would have to say WTP, since it has a better beat and a better flow.

Going Through Changes vs Same Song and Dance
This is an easy one for me to pick. Going Through Changes is one of my top 3 songs off Recovery, while I didn't care for Same Song and Dance at all. Going Through Changes has become one of my favorite Eminem songs off all time.

Not Afraid vs We Made You
I was one of the few people that liked the song We Made You. I didn't think it was a bad way to make a comeback with making a joke type single like he's done before. but, I thought Not Afraid was the best lead single he's ever come out with ever. It was exactly what I wanted to hear to kick off the hype for Recovery.

Seduction vs Medicine Ball
Medicine Ball is a catchy song, but it's really not much more than that. At first, I didn't really like Seduction, but it eventually grew on me and now I love the song. I really like the beat, and the flow Eminem has on Seduction.

No Love vs Stay Wide Awake
I actually really like both these songs, this one is really hard to pick. Lil Wayne actually had a pretty good verse on No Love, but that is a track where I wish Eminem would of had at least 2 verses. I loved his flow on the song. but since there was only one Eminem verse, I would have to say it's a tie.

Space Bound vs Old Time's Sake
Old Time's Sake is another catchy song, but doesn't really have any replay value for me. Space Bound is one of my favorite songs off Recovery. Maybe one of my favorite Eminem songs of all time since I could really relate to it.

Cinderella Man vs Must Be The Ganja
Must Be The Ganja is a pretty good song, one of my favorite songs off Relapse. but Cinderella Man is just on another level. I see it as Till I Collapse part 2. Which just makes it untouchable.

25 To Life vs Deja Vu
Both songs are really personal, both have really good beats, and both have a good flow. but I prefer his flow and lyrics in 25 To Life more than Deja Vu. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Deja Vu is a really good song

So Bad vs Beautiful
I really like So Bad, but I love Beautiful. Beautiful is my 2nd favorite song off Relapse.

Almost Famous vs Crack A Bottle
This is not even a competition. I've hated Crack A Bottle since I first heard it, while I loved Almost Famous since I first heard off Recovery. Almost Famous is one of my favorite Eminem songs of all time.

Love the Way You Lie vs Underground
This is the hardest choice I've had to make so far. Underground is my favorite song on Relapse, while I love the lyrics on Love The Way You Lie. Both are great songs, so I'm gonna have to make it a tie.

You're Never Over vs Careful What You Wish For
I have liked Careful What You Wish for since I first heard it, but have always thought that the song needed to have a 3rd verse to put it over the top as a great song. While I love You're Never Over, and think it was the perfect way to end Recovery.

Here We Go (Untitled) vs My Darling
I have to go with Here We Go here. I know alot of people like the song My Darling, but I hate the beat in that song, and don't like his flow on that song. While, I really like Here We Go the first time I heard it and it has alot of replay value for me.

[chrismoz]

Relapse has too many weak tracks (My Mom, Hello, We Made You, Old Times Sake, Crack a Bottle)

Recovery is better.

[buffalo bill]

Relapse has too many weak tracks (My Mom, Hello, We Made You, Old Times Sake, Crack a Bottle)

Recovery is better.

Recovery has weak tracks too..but on the whole I tend to agree, however I think the best tracks on Relapse are clearly better than the best on Recovery. Recovery is more consistently "very good", but there is more of "incredible" AND of "meh" on Relapse.

[CLV22798]

Relapse has too many weak tracks (My Mom, Hello, We Made You, Old Times Sake, Crack a Bottle)

Recovery is better.

Recovery has weak tracks too..but on the whole I tend to agree, however I think the best tracks on Relapse are clearly better than the best on Recovery. Recovery is more consistently "very good", but there is more of "incredible" AND of "meh" on Relapse.

Haha, I don't agree with this at all. IMO, nothing on Relapse could touch anything that was on the MM LP or TES. While I think Recovery is his best all around album, and only has one bad song. I also think some of his best work was on Recovery.

[goblue418]

The two albums are equal IMO.

My track by track comparison, doing it in order because I noticed that many of the tracks coincidentally are similar in this fashion:

Cold Wind Blows vs. 3 A.M.
The battle of the "kill people" songs. Cold Wind Blows is a solid track, but for lyrical play and originality, 3 A.M. beats it out. Plus the singing at the beginning of Cold Wind Blows nearly ruins the track for me;
Verdict: 3 A.M. (0-1)

Talkin To Myself vs. My Mom
Two self reflection songs. Talkin To Myself has superior subject matter/tone and a better hook, but My Mom has better rhymes and flow. Equal production.
Verdict: Tie (0-1)

this is where i stopped reading.
imo
where does he try to kill people in cwb? and the singing is my favorite part of that song. and my mom sucked assssssssssssssssss

[Rindain]

Not Afraid is light years better than We Made You. We Made You is just about as embarrassing as the worst stuff from Encore.

There's a reason why Not Afraid has absolutely killed We Made You in terms of Billboard chart success, downloads, and Youtube views.

[buffalo bill]

There's a reason why Not Afraid has absolutely killed We Made You in terms of Billboard chart success, downloads, and Youtube views.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

[Emadyville]

You can't compare songs just because they share the same placement order-wise on an album

[goblue418]

You can't compare songs just because they share the same placement order-wise on an album

[CLV22798]

You can't compare songs just because they share the same placement order-wise on an album

Ok, let me compare the 5 best songs from each album. I only said 5 because I don't think Relapse had more than 5 good songs lol.


Almost Famous vs Underground

Love The Way You Lie vs Beautiful

Going Through Changes vs Deja Vu

25 To Life vs Stay Wide Awake

Space Bound vs 3 AM


I know that not everybody is going to agree with that list, since everybody is gonna have a different top 5 on both albums. But in my top 5, Recovery dominates Relapse.