EminemBase's Weekly Round-Up - #1

[shadyboymez]

Good job man, i love the point you made about MMLP, and i couldn't agree more.
I'm glad you finally get your own little section, becuase whenever you post, it's always a good read.

[ajthongbam]

Recovery is Eminem's comeback to the spotlight. He needed that if he had to go forth with his career. Even if he came back last year, his comeback wasnt well received and it went unnoticed. Most of the people had forgotten or didnt know him then. Now with recovery, his name is popular again. And this is after a hiatus of 6 years. In the large sea of artists, only the greats survive through time. He just did. Not to mention the grammys appreciate a comeback story. Its not even about the music now, recovery plays a big part in his career even if its mediocre at best compared to MMLP. And if you do a little research, you'll find that mmlp lost the album of the year award to Steely Dan's 'Two against nature'--->A come back album. I actually think Recovery deserves to win it.

[22muse]

Kinda

I honestly think, and hope, that Recovery will at least get Best Rap Album. If it got Album of the Year, then that would be
The Grammys LOVE a comeback story like Eminem's

that they do (even though the whole mainstream tends to ignore Relapse as his comeback smh. ) and they love numbers. ( 2 #1 hits, best-selling album, mostly positive reviews, records set and broken.) Em has it all this year so this should be interesting if they're gonna go the easy route and hand it to a country/pop album or the Em route.

MMLP, TES, and Recovery all deserve to get AOTY. hopefully, the grammys won't make the same mistake a third time.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Good job,but didn't like the way you dissed Recovery.

I agree with EminemBase. Recovery is highly OVERRATED. People were so eager to see an eminem album that was somewhat similar to his older albums (TES mostly) and they got the subject matter they wanted and took only that into consideration. I think that people ignore the TERRID production, annoying yelling that eminem will hopefully get rid of, and the extreme mainstream feel to the album. I am a HUGE eminem fan, but as of late i've been rather disappointed with his work... I want him to come back with a crazy (dre produced) album without these bullshit features (wayne rihanna etc). lyrically recovery is nice (right behind TES in third) but the mainstream feel ruined it for me.

Have you even listened to Recovery? He doesn't really yell except on Almost Famous, and that's coincidentally the song everyone dick-rides off of Recovery

[gutawafang]

Nice read man.

[whiteamerica]

Have you even listened to Recovery? He doesn't really yell except on Almost Famous, and that's coincidentally the song everyone dick-rides off of Recovery

yes. i have listened to recovery. have you?
wont back down.
25 to life. (one of my favorites)
no love.

and all of his post-recovery stuff has the yelling type flow. i just think it's getting old. you cannot deny the mainstream feel of the album though.

[EminemBase]

EminemBase Wrote
So, he may win Album of the Year, for Recovery. Which is all well and good. But, as a fan of Eminem and as a fan of good art appreciation - Recovery probably doesn't deserve it. But The Marshall Mathers LP couldn't of deserved it more.

Just because The Marshall Mathers LP didnt win the album of the year award, doesnt mean that Recovery shouldnt. They dont compare the albums to the artist's previous work, they compare it to the other albums that came out that year (hence the name of the award.). Recovery was CLEARLY the best album to come out this year so it should win the award for it. Why doesnt Recovery deserve album of the year? Name one album up for nomination that was better. The award isnt called "Best album that came out in 2010 that is also his/her best work EVER"

I didn't say Recovery shouldn't win it because The Marshall Mathers LP didn't.

You don't need to spell out the definition of the award for me, I already get it thanks. It was more a begrudging point of - It'll be a shame that in his legacy, the one album that will get that very prestigious award could end up being Recovery, rather than his truly grand album.

And as for Recovery 'clearly' being the best album - I'm not sure about that. I can say I think it's the best mainstream rap album to come out this year but I don't closely follow other genres so it'd be ignorant and presumptuous of me to say Recovery was the best of any genre. I don't know or have an opinion on albums of other genres up for nom.

[Emadyville]

Regarding the Grammys, how many do you guys think he could win? I think 5 is a safe bet, but I think LTWYL is big enough to sweep every category that it's nominated in. If Recovery wins album of the year, then no doubt it will also win Rap Album as well.

Thoughts?

My honest opinion, the % is how great a chance I think he has to win...

1. Record of the Year - LOVE THE WAY YOU LIE (35%)
2. Album of the Year - RECOVERY (60%)
3. Song of the Year - LOVE THE WAY YOU LIE (30%)
4. Best Pop Collaboration with Vocals - AIRPLANES, PART II (35%)
5. Best Solo Rap Performance - NOT AFRAID (60%)
6. Best Rap/Sung Collaboration - LOVE THE WAY YOU LIE (85%)
7. Best Rap Song - LOVE THE WAY YOU LIE (40%)
8. Best Rap Song -NOT AFRAID (10%)
9. Best Rap Album - RECOVERY (100%)
10. Best Short Form Music Video - LOVE THE WAY YOU LIE (100%)

For best rap song, Idk how the fuck to judge when he has 2 songs up for this, honestly I'm not sure so I went with what song they'd think was more successful versus the better rap song lol.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Have you even listened to Recovery? He doesn't really yell except on Almost Famous, and that's coincidentally the song everyone dick-rides off of Recovery

yes. i have listened to recovery. have you?
wont back down.
25 to life. (one of my favorites)
no love.

and all of his post-recovery stuff has the yelling type flow. i just think it's getting old. you cannot deny the mainstream feel of the album though.

Won't Back Down did have yelling, that's right
25 To Life he's not yelling, he sounds genuinely pissed off. Not to the point of really yelling, more like loud talking
No Love is comparable to his Forever verse in terms of sound and style

Mainstream doesn't necessarily bad. Mainstream is mostly just appeal, and Recovery appeals to more people than his other albums do. The beats sound mainstream, and a select few of the songs are radio friendly, but the album isn't really as mainstream and "pop" as most people make it out to be. It's clear that Em wanted to expand his fan base, which isn't really a bad thing, but still wanted to please his core fans. Whether he did or not is up to you, but he thinks that everyone thought Relapse blew. Which a lot of fans did think that, but the few here on TR actually didn't have a problem with Relapse, or rather didn't have big issues with the material except maybe content. So, he wanted to go in a different direction, and it's working for him

I'll be the first to admit that he needs to stop the yelling. Sometimes, it works. Other times (Celebrity), it doesn't. I'd rather him sound like he did on The Warning. I like how he sounds on Where I'm At, but I can tell that the song was made shortly after Recovery, he has the same kind of voice and flow like he did on Not Afraid. But it's much better than Not Afraid, at least to me

[EminemBase]

Have you even listened to Recovery? He doesn't really yell except on Almost Famous, and that's coincidentally the song everyone dick-rides off of Recovery

yes. i have listened to recovery. have you?
wont back down.
25 to life. (one of my favorites)
no love.

and all of his post-recovery stuff has the yelling type flow. i just think it's getting old. you cannot deny the mainstream feel of the album though.

Your opinion on his tone is one thing and just taste.

But as for the 'mainstream feel' of the album - That only comes from the production / producers and you could argue maybe the choruses.

But his themes and execution are as unfiltered, uncensored and raw as ever.

He's exploding his brains for the majority of the album...

I STUCK MY DICK IN THIS GAME LIKE A RAPIST

THEY CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES AND JUST DIE

I JUST PUT A BULLSHIT HOOK IN-BETWEEN TWO LONG-ASS VERSES

YOU CAN GET THE DICK / JUST CALL ME THE BALL-SACK, I'M NUTS

Nothing about his lyricism is mainstream. People just keep calling him mainstream or pop because of his success, and because rap is a mainstream genre now - So any rapper that is successful gets called that. But lyrically / artistically he compromised none of his integrity.

[Emadyville]

Nothing about his lyricism is mainstream. People just keep calling him mainstream or pop because of his success, and because rap is a mainstream genre now - So any rapper that is successful gets called that. But lyrically / artistically he compromised none of his integrity.

Actually a solid point with the lyrics chosen, but I feel there is some "mainstream" on recovery...not do I say it's bad or whatever, I feel there are some things that would classify as mainstream.

But this is actually what I wanted to get your opinion on: Would you consider when an artist, in this case Em, uses "popular" names, topics, media, etc. in songs, would that aspect of the lyrics then be considered mainstream?
After seeing the lyrics you chose, I thought well yeah great examples. But what about "where the fuck is Kanye when you need him"? idk that idea came to me so I decided to ask and bring it up...the example simply being, everyone knows who Kanye is, and what em is referring to, so because of that, is it then considered mainstream?

[OMEGA]

Have you even listened to Recovery? He doesn't really yell except on Almost Famous, and that's coincidentally the song everyone dick-rides off of Recovery

yes. i have listened to recovery. have you?
wont back down.
25 to life. (one of my favorites)
no love.

and all of his post-recovery stuff has the yelling type flow. i just think it's getting old. you cannot deny the mainstream feel of the album though.

Your opinion on his tone is one thing and just taste.

But as for the 'mainstream feel' of the album - That only comes from the production / producers and you could argue maybe the choruses.

But his themes and execution are as unfiltered, uncensored and raw as ever.

He's exploding his brains for the majority of the album...

I STUCK MY DICK IN THIS GAME LIKE A RAPIST

THEY CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES AND JUST DIE

I JUST PUT A BULLSHIT HOOK IN-BETWEEN TWO LONG-ASS VERSES

YOU CAN GET THE DICK / JUST CALL ME THE BALL-SACK, I'M NUTS

Nothing about his lyricism is mainstream. People just keep calling him mainstream or pop because of his success, and because rap is a mainstream genre now - So any rapper that is successful gets called that. But lyrically / artistically he compromised none of his integrity.

100% true. You got it right bro.

[EminemBase]

Nothing about his lyricism is mainstream. People just keep calling him mainstream or pop because of his success, and because rap is a mainstream genre now - So any rapper that is successful gets called that. But lyrically / artistically he compromised none of his integrity.

Actually a solid point with the lyrics chosen, but I feel there is some "mainstream" on recovery...not do I say it's bad or whatever, I feel there are some things that would classify as mainstream.

But this is actually what I wanted to get your opinion on: Would you consider when an artist, in this case Em, uses "popular" names, topics, media, etc. in songs, would that aspect of the lyrics then be considered mainstream?
After seeing the lyrics you chose, I thought well yeah great examples. But what about "where the fuck is Kanye when you need him"? idk that idea came to me so I decided to ask and bring it up...the example simply being, everyone knows who Kanye is, and what em is referring to, so because of that, is it then considered mainstream?

Well if your classification of mainstream is his mentioning popular names he's been 'mainstream' since day one...

He does that trivially as they're names to rattle punch-lines off of or create a timestamp on that period of his music for.

But I'm taking the use of 'mainstream' here to mean... Compromised artistically. As if he's dumbed it down or censored himself, which he did not at all. In fact he almost went out of his way for the most part to emphasize he won't do that, like MMLP.

So no, mentioning mainstream events doesn't make you a mainstream artists. Those things are trivial, they're just talking points, or names, or perceptions or whatever that are well-known and therefore easily relatable and therefore a good source of comedy or... emotional provocation.

But he in no way compromised his lyrical integrity, nothing about Eminem is popular or watered down or mainstream. He's just seen as that because he's popular, for which there are many reasons. Mainly due to his musical mastery, his melody and rhythmic perfection. Deep undertones to his music which make people addicted and in love with it but...

No, he's absolutely as integral and raw as ever. And if Recovery was his... 2nd album people would see that. The only thing mainstream about Recovery is the production.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

The only thing mainstream about Recovery is the production.

Nail on the head

[slimsoxshady]

Seduction is easily mainstream...so is No Love...so is So Bad
i'm not gonna mention others because you can argue about them...but these are obvious
typical mainstream topics of bragging, knocking haters, and boasting about your dick game