Relapse.

[Guess_Who]

The world's greatest rapper is getting bored and is experimenting with flows, styles and voices.

As you see on Relapse which is "so fucking enjoyable"...now that it's in the past. Everyone seemed to hate it then.

Did the same on Recovery, with the punchlines. They were amazing at the time, now they're "corny and dumb. Oh and Em yells too much, why can't he just use accents? Smh."

And then BME and now with the faster flows. "Whoa slow down son I can't understand you. And when I do understand you, your lyrics are shit."

No one will be happy. Ever.

This.

[DanWS]

2009 - ''Relapse sucks what's with the puppy dog voice why is he just rapping about killing people? I miss his old flow and I miss the old Eminem''

2011 - ''Relapse is absolutely flawless I miss this Eminem his rapping sucks now''

2012/2013 - ''Fuck this I miss Recovery Eminem he sucks now''

Yup. I guarantee that a year or 2 after his next album, this exact same type of thread will be being made about Recovery. Sure people can change their minds over time, but the sheer amount of bandwagging that goes on here is irritaing.

[legendstatus]

The whole cycle that fans are going through right now is a pattern I find in many other fanbases. The whole ~album is released~ "this is utter shit", ~next album gets released~ "this is terrible the other album is a classic" and the whole old vs new artist shit that occurs on here is very common in other communities. Especially with "comeback artists". We can take people like Gaga for example, the whole "The Fame album is so much better than this Born This Way shit" "old gaga > new gaga". Even Britney who is a perfect example of a comeback artist gets the " old Britney is way better than new Britney" it's to the point that that specific artist has already reached their peak, by peak I mean a peak in which no one in the next generations would probably EVER be able to reach. Knowing this we expect so much from them because they have set themselves up WAY to high. Imagine if MJ was still alive and released an album, his material would be bagged on constantly because they would compare it to Thriler, his peak. We are so enrapped with the past we refuse to pay attention to the present we nit pick everything over react and ALWAYS compare the work to their old work. That's the flaw, If we respect the work for what it is we will enjoy it more without being bias. Sadly that will never happen we can never just wipe our old childhood memories I guess.

[Mr.DGAF]

To be honest, it took me about two listens to get into Relapse. But once I started listening to it, and truly digesting what he was saying, shit. That album is, for the course of a few songs on there, fantastic. Songs like Deja Vu (which to me is easily the best song since his return) and Stay Wide Awake constantly amaze me. And even songs from Recovery have that effect to an extent.

I think the love for Relapse, at least now, is due to hindsight. After five years of being absent in the game, accents and murdering/raping girls was not what people wanted to hear from him. In that regard, Eminem fucked up BIG time. Recovery should have been the first album he released out of his comeback. And not even necessarily Recovery, just an album with that type of material.

Imagine is he puts Recovery out before Relapse. I think it's safe to say that if that is the route he goes, we get Relapse 2 instead of Recovery. Even though there is hints of his Relapse era stuff on Recovery, it's clear that he was changing styles.

Now, in my opinion, Eminem's quality of rapping has dropped since Recovery. Granted, none of this stuff is album material, so in that regard, he gets a pass. He's trying to get his feet under him still, trying to experiment and continue making music. So I'll cut him some slack until that next album drops. But suffice it to say, my expectations for the newest album, if there is one, is slowly dwindling.

[Shadizz]

The whole cycle that fans are going through right now is a pattern I find in many other fanbases. The whole ~album is released~ "this is utter shit", ~next album gets released~ "this is terrible the other album is a classic" and the whole old vs new artist shit that occurs on here is very common in other communities. Especially with "comeback artists". We can take people like Gaga for example, the whole "The Fame album is so much better than this Born This Way shit" "old gaga > new gaga". Even Britney who is a perfect example of a comeback artist gets the " old Britney is way better than new Britney" it's to the point that that specific artist has already reached their peak, by peak I mean a peak in which no one in the next generations would probably EVER be able to reach. Knowing this we expect so much from them because they have set themselves up WAY to high. Imagine if MJ was still alive and released an album, his material would be bagged on constantly because they would compare it to Thriler, his peak. We are so enrapped with the past we refuse to pay attention to the present we nit pick everything over react and ALWAYS compare the work to their old work. That's the flaw, If we respect the work for what it is we will enjoy it more without being bias. Sadly that will never happen we can never just wipe our old childhood memories I guess.

[Mr.DGAF]

I think the love for Relapse, at least now, is due to hindsight. After five years of being absent in the game, accents and murdering/raping girls was not what people wanted to hear from him. In that regard, Eminem fucked up BIG time. Recovery should have been the first album he released out of his comeback. And not even necessarily Recovery, just an album with that type of material.

While I agree that an album with Recovery material would've been much more suffice for his 2009 comeback, I think Relapse was brilliant in regards to the fact that it caught EVERYONE off guard. When I heard it, I knew this guy didn't give a fuck and was rapping because he loved it.

And how would it sound if he came back using his normal voice, and THEN converted into accents?

It'd be like 02-04 again.

To me, a lot better. I think people wanted to hear good old Eminem rapping again. And he switched it all up with the accents, which I enjoyed, but obviously not everyone loved it. Whereas if he comes back with his regular voice, people can go "Yeah, Em's back." Then he's established that he is back and good again, and can be artistically free to go in any direction. At least, that's what I think.

And Menzo, yeah, that was a briliant part to Relapse. Nobody expected him to come back like that.

[Sam.]

Fans craving for some new Eminem music are the one's who actually realized the greatness of this Album, and I was one of them. And my opinion stands firm till date and hasn't changed one bit even though I like both the Projects that he released after that. Recovery didn't make me like Relapse to be honest. There's something that this Album that draws attention.

[Sam.]

Relapse is a near classic record, songs like "Crack A Bottle", "Medicine Ball" kept it away from being a classic.

"Beautiful" is dope and even know it doesn't fit the concept it's still a good record.

I hate when people say that. Relapse talks about his problem's with drugs at places so does this song, maybe it's not that apparent to you, but yea..

[Sam.]

Relapse is a near classic record, songs like "Crack A Bottle", "Medicine Ball" kept it away from being a classic.

"Beautiful" is dope and even know it doesn't fit the concept it's still a good record.

I hate when people say that. Relapse talks about his problem's with drugs at places so does this song, maybe it's not that apparent to you, but yea..

I guess since Beautiful isn't lyrically top notch and from 2007, people don't think it fits but it totally fits the album as each track tells a story.

If seen from a different angle this song should have been the opening track followed by the rest. I somewhat feel that it would have linked the songs properly. Imagine his struggle in Rehab(Beautiful), comes out "Dr. West (skit)" happens, then he Relapses ("3 a.m.").

[LEminemOP]

Funny how everone all of a sudden jumps on the Relapse bandwagon. Ive been bumping relapse everyday since it came out despite everyone saying it sucked. And I listen to the "little", not as well known songs the most, they dont get enough credit. Ive always said Relapse was WAY better than Recovery (even when Recovery first came out). No one has ever agreed with me.

[mdemaz]

You guys on LSD?
There's not a single record when Em doesn't talk about drugs..
That being said, Relapse was sort of a habit thing..
He tried to keep babbling about drugs to subliminally flush them out of this brain Per se.

[flyingmonkey10]

Recovery, wether you agree or not, is a bunch of the most Anti-Eminem beats the world has ever heard, excluding Cold Wind Blows, On Fire and Untitled.

[ScottMurray]

Funny how everone all of a sudden jumps on the Relapse bandwagon. Ive been bumping relapse everyday since it came out despite everyone saying it sucked. And I listen to the "little", not as well known songs the most, they dont get enough credit. Ive always said Relapse was WAY better than Recovery (even when Recovery first came out). No one has ever agreed with me.

i have always thought this man, i 100% agree with you

[SliK]

Recovery, wether you agree or not, is a bunch of the most Anti-Eminem beats the world has ever heard, excluding Cold Wind Blows, On Fire and Untitled.

So Bad and the bonus tracks were fine for Eminem.

[Mathers]

Recovery, wether you agree or not, is a bunch of the most Anti-Eminem beats the world has ever heard, excluding Cold Wind Blows, On Fire and Untitled.

So even Dre's beats on Ridaz and So Bad were Anti-Eminem beats?