How would you feel if Em got outshined on a track?

[Elision]

And what's wrong with Royce?

In comparison to most? Nothing. But there's tons of much better artists, that Em knows exist.

True (although I wouldn't say TONS of better artists, or if they are I wouldn't say it was by a lot.), but Royce should still have priority due to their bromance that have going on. Don't get me wrong, Tech is the first person to come to mind when someone asks "Who should Em work with?" and he totally deserves it (along with a few other people too), but I for one like the fact that Bad Meets Evil are still making music together.

I'm not dissing Royce. He carries his own. I'm just saying, if you're gonna be the greatest of all time, you're gonna have to show how well you do against the other lyrical titans.

It's like Eminem is 16 years old playing in the kiddie pool. Of course he's gonna outshine everyone. It's time to move up a few tiers.

[12characters]

In comparison to most? Nothing. But there's tons of much better artists, that Em knows exist.

True (although I wouldn't say TONS of better artists, or if they are I wouldn't say it was by a lot.), but Royce should still have priority due to their bromance that have going on. Don't get me wrong, Tech is the first person to come to mind when someone asks "Who should Em work with?" and he totally deserves it (along with a few other people too), but I for one like the fact that Bad Meets Evil are still making music together.

I'm not dissing Royce. He carries his own. I'm just saying, if you're gonna be the greatest of all time, you're gonna have to show how well you do against the other lyrical titans.

It's like Eminem is 16 years old playing in the kiddie pool. Of course he's gonna outshine everyone. It's time to move up a few tiers.

I didn't think you were knocking Royce, I just disagreed with the statement "tons of better artist". And I know he should be working with more artist, I stated that too. But I also said Royce should still have some sort of priority. What I mean is, it would be just as disappointing to see Em just stop working with Royce as it is to see him not get on a track with other lyrical titans (other than Slaughterhouse).

[SliK]

Eminem has done all he can for Royce, and Slaughterhouse. It's about time he just took his time crafting verses and creating songs with themes, branching out to new artists would help with that. If he works with another high profile artist, or any artist respected on a wide scale, rather than the rappers who are just in awe to be around him, I think he would have to put a lot more effort into it. Eminem could say or do anything he wants on a BME track or a SH track or a Yela tarck, because at the end of the day, his name is going to move units. That wouldn't be the case for someone like Jay-Z, Kanye, Game,etc because they sell in their own right. And an artist like Nas and Tech wouldn't put out wack shit to sell out.

Getting outshone might be good for him. He would have to step back and go, ok I can sell records, but that dude just rapped circles around me. I really need to up my game. When he works with Wayne and T.I (since the come back) he has upped his game so when he really has something to prove again, with that hunger he had before his legendary status was cemented, he could produce an amazing verse.

If the only material we heard from him this year was a few features but they were with Artists outside the Shady or YM family, I'd be really happy.

[Beak]

If Em was ever out shined on a track. I would be surprised. Like really, really surprised.

[kiki]

define what we're talking about here - are we talking about the lyrics or how they are delivered?

[Trimss]

Lol @ avoiding them.

Snoop doesn't want a track with Eminem, why do you think Nas would like to collab with him? Tech asked Em for a collab and he accepted man. Yes, your god asked for a collab and Eminem accepted. But if Tech wasn't such of a Slacker who releases 5 albums a year, he would've had dropped his verse on So Lonely.

The advantage of not putting a lot of material? You can get your CD however you want it, because you took the time to do it.

Tecca missed the biggest opportunity to collab with Eminem because he was lazy and didn't ask him a little earlier. That's it.

Putting an album every year, with collabs EP and shit isn't really a good thing neither. It should be balanced.

And I fucking LOVE Tech N9ne. But saying Eminem ducks him is just being gay.

[Elision]

Tech asked Em for a collab and he accepted man. Yes, your god asked for a collab and Eminem accepted. But if Tech wasn't such of a Slacker who releases 5 albums a year, he would've had dropped his verse on So Lonely.

The advantage of not putting a lot of material? You can get your CD however you want it, because you took the time to do it.

Tecca missed the biggest opportunity to collab with Eminem because he was lazy and didn't ask him a little earlier. That's it.

Tech has been trying to get at Em for 6 years. Ever since My World. It really doesn't take more than a day to write a full verse, and record/master it. And why even worry about the advantage of not making music? What kind of shit is that? That's the opposite of doing your job. Of course there's an advantage, but if your passion is making music, then make music.

The only rappers I can confidently are hardcore and have caught my eye right now are Joe Budden, Nas and Crooked I

Those are only mainstream (or semi-mainstream) artists that you listed. Wax, Soul Khan, Dumbfoundead, Celph Titled, Immortal Tech; Hopsin's recent success, etc. And of course Tech N9ne who is simply pushing more weight than anyone right now. I mean, I know you guys say I mention him a lot, but it's only because he's putting in more serious work and effort than anybody else right now. That's just what is true.

I hate to say it, I really like Tech but I can't listen to his music for too long and there's just so much.

I mean, you can say it's too much, but fuckin -- he even has a song for that! What more do you want out of an artist? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS3l2is8aFM





I feel like at the end of the day, people who have a passion in music, should just make music. And Em simply isn't doing that.

[Trimss]

Tech asked Em for a collab and he accepted man. Yes, your god asked for a collab and Eminem accepted. But if Tech wasn't such of a Slacker who releases 5 albums a year, he would've had dropped his verse on So Lonely.

The advantage of not putting a lot of material? You can get your CD however you want it, because you took the time to do it.

Tecca missed the biggest opportunity to collab with Eminem because he was lazy and didn't ask him a little earlier. That's it.

Tech has been trying to get at Em for 6 years. Ever since My World. It really doesn't take more than a day to write a full verse, and record/master it. And why even worry about the advantage of not making music? What kind of shit is that? That's the opposite of doing your job. Of course there's an advantage, but if your passion is making music, then make music.

No. If your passion is making music, make music. But don't release it. Your fans HAVE to be excited to hear new music from you, you have to hype yourself. Not like Eminem does though, but even Hopsin is like that.
If All 6's and 7's was a hit, it's because he hyped the album a lot with the features and shit. I can bet you that his next album won't do as good as it.

And Eminem came back 3 years ago dude, he couldnt collab before 2009 and his official comeback.

Also, it does take more than a day to write a full verse, record it and master it. You have to schedule studio sessions, when you're Eminem you also got a shitload of things to do. And don't feed me with the "omgz stan" because you know it's true, he's a busy man.

If Tech asked him like A MONTH before, with the same beat, we would've got the long awaited track. Tech himself said that he's a slacker and shit. I'm sorry but if he really wanted that collab, he would have got it for this album. Even if it's delaying the album for two weeks and putting it on the Itune bonuses like Banks did. Or, keeping the track for another album and not releasing So Lonely but replacing it with another one.

[NicoleEM]

Haven't read all the posts but Em got outshined on many tracks.So what?it's not like he HAS to kill every rapper he collabs with lol.Specially lately ...but yeah.I'm ok with it it's just music:)

[Elision]

If All 6's and 7's was a hit, it's because he hyped the album a lot with the features and shit. I can bet you that his next album won't do as good as it.

He already did. And he put the entire album together in 4 months. Immediately following All 6's & 7's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCz1WaYs0Ho

It's doing great, and he's currently working on another mixtape

And Eminem came back 3 years ago dude, he couldnt collab before 2009 and his official comeback.

This is definitely true. I'm not bias here, please don't get me wrong. You're completely right. And I do give him credit for finally broadening the artists he's working with. My big complaint is the tier of artists he's working with.

Also, it does take more than a day to write a full verse, record it and master it. You have to schedule studio sessions, when you're Eminem you also got a shitload of things to do.

It really doesn't. I can push out 4 - 5 solid verses a day. And schedule studio sessions? For his own studio? Why would he have to do that? He owns the fuckin thing.

If Tech asked him like A MONTH before, with the same beat, we would've got the long awaited track. Tech himself said that he's a slacker and shit. I'm sorry but if he really wanted that collab, he would have got it for this album. Even if it's delaying the album for two weeks and putting it on the Itune bonuses like Banks did. Or, keeping the track for another album and not releasing So Lonely but replacing it with another one.

http://youtu.be/VVSLWiyg_Hw?t=2m53s

And here's him explaining that he originally did save the track for Em: http://youtu.be/ogueu3Kwkg4?t=1m50s

And trust me, while Tech does have a song from years ago called "Slacker". Nobody, even his haters can't legitimately say that Tech doesn't put in more raw work than anybody else. 2 albums, 200 shows and a mixtape a year for 10 years isn't a Slacker.

I would rather Em work with people he's comfortable with or people he likes as opposed to just working with quality rappers JUST to do so.

http://youtu.be/ogueu3Kwkg4?t=2m50s

[Trimss]

^ He was working with Slaughterhouse, 50 Cent, Yelawolf, plus all the verses he writes and records that we're not aware of (yeah, the leaked track for exemple) and you can push out 4-5 solid verses filled with sick ass multies without saying a thing. No offense, a lot of dope rappers do that. But that's not his style.

He writes a lot, records a lot, but also has family life and he's busy with lots of shit we're not aware of. Trust me on that. He's the biggest icon, the biggest rapper slash artist right now. I don't think he's just procrastinating things.

That doesn't change the fact that Tech could have kept the track for another album.. Can you admit that? When I said slacker, i really didn't mean like a lazy fuck. Tech is a fucking hero for me, 90 tours in 99 days that's fucking epic, I don't know any other rapper who could do that. Once again, I admire the guy and he's my second favorite rapper. But if he asked Em earlier..

Plus, Eminem is under a big ass label filled with selfish jews. He really can't release whatever the fuck he wants whenever he feels like it. Well with some pressure he could eventually though, but I think signing Slaughterhouse and Yelawolf was already a big ass favor for Jimmy, knowing they wouldn't sell a lot.

[Elision]

Definitely, I get what you're saying.

But this is exactly why I care so much about this happening: http://youtu.be/AouTvG6Rv7o?t=9s\



I just don't understand why I'm alone in this.

[Trimss]

Definitely, I get what you're saying.

But this is exactly why I care so much about this happening: http://youtu.be/AouTvG6Rv7o?t=9s\



I just don't understand why I'm alone in this.

I want this to happen as bad as you, not because of Em but because of both of them. I feel like no rapper has worked harder than Tech without getting the recognition he's supposed to get.
It disgusts me to see wack rappers getting success when I know that this rapper has been in this game for more than 25 years and is still unknown by most of these casual faggot ass teen listeners.

[Elision]

@Elision Em isn't gonna work with underground artists just to do it.

Exactly. And I just linked a video of Tech saying that he doesn't reach out to an artist unless the beat says their name.


And it's not that I truly believe Em is afraid to work with Tech, I just think that he avoids Tech. And I only think that because I can't come to any other conclusion when I look at the whole situation. Em has had so many chances to work with someone who obviously would challenge him more than anybody else lyrically. Em has flat out said that he enjoys collaborating for that exact reason. To be pushed to write harder shit.

Can you think of anybody that would push Em more than Tech? I can't.

So, yeah, the only thing I can land on is that Tech is deliberately being dodged. Tech has already worked with most of the Shady team, but not Em himself. It's just obvious to me.

Iunno, I really hope I'm wrong. I genuinely do. This isn't me trying to win an argument.

[Elision]

Tech and Em are the top two heavyweights lyrically. And most would agree with me on that. So to have them both do a track together would push them both to their absolute limits. I'm not dick-riding tech. I'm dick-riding incredible lyricism.

Tell me you don't skip over (most) peoples verses to get to Em's. And then tell me you don't do the exact same thing with Tech. It's just meant to be.