Renegede, Which version?

[Kez]

Jay>Royce , and if you think otherwise, stan, you must have a strange sense for music

Right, because you alone decide what is good and what isn't.

[Wreck]

If the Royce version had the production value of the Jay version it would be amazing. Jay's verses suck.

I disagree. I also think the Royce version, being that it's the first version of the two as everybody knows and wasn't on any Em or Royce album or mixtape, it didn't get mastered the way we all wanted, much like another Eminem song in "Our House." It is still a manageable Em song to listen to, quality wise, compared to Our House, but it could be better if somebody mixed and finalized it better. I think Royce's verses weren't bad. He did play his flow off of Em's on the Dead Wrong he did with Biggie, but he (Royce) flipped it nice flow and lyrics wise, and had nice multis. Like you said, if the beats had been the same, they would be equally nice. Jay's verses were nice in my mind. He bit his verse though (once again), which I didn't like, but Hov's lines came from the street and his personal life, and had a nice flow to it.

[Wreck]

If the Royce version had the production value of the Jay version it would be amazing. Jay's verses suck.

I disagree. I also think the Royce version, being that it's the first version of the two as everybody knows and wasn't on any Em or Royce album or mixtape, it didn't get mastered the way we all wanted, much like another Eminem song in "Our House." It is still a manageable Em song to listen to, quality wise, compared to Our House, but it could be better if somebody mixed and finalized it better. I think Royce's verses weren't bad. He did play his flow off of Em's on the Dead Wrong he did with Biggie, but he (Royce) flipped it nice flow and lyrics wise, and had nice multis. Like you said, if the beats had been the same, they would be equally nice. Jay's verses were nice in my mind. He bit his verse though (once again), which I didn't like, but Hov's lines came from the street and his personal life, and had a nice flow to it.

Royce did that flow before Em did on dead wrong, which was a remix because Biggie was already dead and that song was a song before Em was in it

I don't know. You might be right but then again, a lot of people copy shady's flow and even his lyrics. When was the Royce Renegade version finished? Em was on Big's posthumous album "Born Again," which came out late 1999. Jay recorded tracks & released The Blueprint when the twin towers were hit and fell down, in 2001- when Em was on the second Renegade. So if Em bit, it was shortly after the first Renegade was released with Royce, but I doubt it cause how would you know when the first was actually released with the 2. I'm not denying your claims, just talking about it. Kay Slay and somebody else had the old/first version on a mixtape 4/5 years ago, but it's obviously been floating on the net for awhile, on P2P sharing programs. I'm just wondering who had that flow first and I think Em did, but I could be wrong.