Would Shady be considered the greatest yet?

[dR3]

I thought you were a Nas stan.


Anyway, when Em dies, he will be considered the best ever by 95% of rap fans, imo.

[EminemBase]

do u even interact w/ black people outside of the internet? Hip Hop is a black art and black people have a say who is top whatever. Em actually has a lot of respect despite those tapes.

You retarded, arrogant fuck.

First of all, the originators of an art don't own that art forever. I mean think of how many art forms may have come from white people, we don't make a point of informing black artists that they're in a white art form constantly.

Lets presume acting, on a recorded scale started with white people - Now, imagine somebody saying "yeah well Sam Jackson is great but lets not forget, it is a WHITE art after all".

Aside from the fact that, whether or not the fundamentals of hip-hop were populated by black people - that's totally fucking irrelevant. In all actuality it's more belonged to the INDIVIDUALS who sparked the innovations, not a skin colour. You don't automatically have more right to rap or talk about rap just because by chance, you happen to have been born black. That's fucking idiotic.

Plus the fact that, there were no doubt many white originators of certain techniques (musically) which are now attributed to hip-hop. It's not it's solely from black people, it's just that it was largely populated and / or mastered by black people first. Which many things have been, by white people. But we don't go around constantly claiming ownership of that art / innovation. The true 'right' if there is any belongs to the founding originators but that's based on the fact they came up with, not whether they're black or white. That's a matter of fact which isn't relevant.

It'd be like attributing the importance of an art to all people with X colour hair as they happened to be the ones who first stumbled or came up with it lmao.

Only racists / idiots attribute innovations or arts to colour. You can know the history, certainly - But to act like you have more of a right to do, own, speak or whatever it, is absurd. Therefore black people don't have a say who's the top. You arrogant, racist piece of shit. STFU and GTFO, moron.

[BILI]

do u even interact w/ black people outside of the internet? Hip Hop is a black art and black people have a say who is top whatever. Em actually has a lot of respect despite those tapes.

You retarded, arrogant fuck.

First of all, the originators of an art don't own that art forever. I mean think of how many art forms may have come from white people, we don't make a point of informing black artists that they're in a white art form constantly.

Lets presume acting, on a recorded scale started with white people - Now, imagine somebody saying "yeah well Sam Jackson is great but lets not forget, it is a WHITE art after all".

Aside from the fact that, whether or not the fundamentals of hip-hop were populated by black people - that's totally fucking irrelevant. In all actuality it's more belonged to the INDIVIDUALS who sparked the innovations, not a skin colour. You don't automatically have more right to rap or talk about rap just because by chance, you happen to have been born black. That's fucking idiotic.

Therefore black people don't have a say who's the top. You arrogant, racist piece of shit. STFU and GTFO, moron.

This is why I love you

[Emadyville]

up there. IMO past tupac and biggie.

he's done way more in hiphop. WAY MORE

in fact, i dont think anyone has done more than eminem

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Actually, valid points, but it's opinion so I'm gunna say eminem because I think he is the best at a lot of things in hip-hop, but this should be chit-chat so yeah

Edit: my bad, didnt see people started making decent responses

[EminemInsider]

Again, people don't seem to grasp the significance of his addiction period when they mention "Encore" in their argument against him.

That shit wasn't the real Eminem...it was an ambien/valium/vicodin/alcohol concocted robot making fart noises and sleepwalking through life.

Give any other rapper those addictions and their work would be every bit as bad. Nas would put out an entire album of "You Owe Me" and "Oochie Wally." Jay-Z makes Blueprint 3, only somehow even worse. Outkast would...do what they've been doing for pretty much the last decade.

[PetaParker]

do u even interact w/ black people outside of the internet? Hip Hop is a black art and black people have a say who is top whatever. Em actually has a lot of respect despite those tapes.

You retarded, arrogant fuck.

First of all, the originators of an art don't own that art forever. I mean think of how many art forms may have come from white people, we don't make a point of informing black artists that they're in a white art form constantly.

Lets presume acting, on a recorded scale started with white people - Now, imagine somebody saying "yeah well Sam Jackson is great but lets not forget, it is a WHITE art after all".

Aside from the fact that, whether or not the fundamentals of hip-hop were populated by black people - that's totally fucking irrelevant. In all actuality it's more belonged to the INDIVIDUALS who sparked the innovations, not a skin colour. You don't automatically have more right to rap or talk about rap just because by chance, you happen to have been born black. That's fucking idiotic.

Plus the fact that, there were no doubt many white originators of certain techniques (musically) which are now attributed to hip-hop. It's not it's solely from black people, it's just that it was largely populated and / or mastered by black people first. Which many things have been, by white people. But we don't go around constantly claiming ownership of that art / innovation. The true 'right' if there is any belongs to the founding originators but that's based on the fact they came up with, not whether they're black or white. That's a matter of fact which isn't relevant.

It'd be like attributing the importance of an art to all people with X colour hair as they happened to be the ones who first stumbled or came up with it lmao.

Only racists / idiots attribute innovations or arts to colour. You can know the history, certainly - But to act like you have more of a right to do, own, speak or whatever it, is absurd. Therefore black people don't have a say who's the top. You arrogant, racist piece of shit. STFU and GTFO, moron.

u sound really butthurt right now

Truth is truth and I don't know how to lie.

You white people are so eager to do hip hop like Rock. You are the type of person that gives the Rolling Stones more credit than Chuck Berry. Hip Hop is still black culture. Eminem is a rare exception. Black people will always decide who is the best rapper. Period. There is nothing u can do about it.

Pac
Big
Nas
Jay

em ain better than any of them. Especially not w/ songs like We Made You. And I'm a fan of Em, but you people continue to overrate him

[EminemInsider]

do u even interact w/ black people outside of the internet? Hip Hop is a black art and black people have a say who is top whatever. Em actually has a lot of respect despite those tapes.

You retarded, arrogant fuck.

First of all, the originators of an art don't own that art forever. I mean think of how many art forms may have come from white people, we don't make a point of informing black artists that they're in a white art form constantly.

Lets presume acting, on a recorded scale started with white people - Now, imagine somebody saying "yeah well Sam Jackson is great but lets not forget, it is a WHITE art after all".

Aside from the fact that, whether or not the fundamentals of hip-hop were populated by black people - that's totally fucking irrelevant. In all actuality it's more belonged to the INDIVIDUALS who sparked the innovations, not a skin colour. You don't automatically have more right to rap or talk about rap just because by chance, you happen to have been born black. That's fucking idiotic.

Plus the fact that, there were no doubt many white originators of certain techniques (musically) which are now attributed to hip-hop. It's not it's solely from black people, it's just that it was largely populated and / or mastered by black people first. Which many things have been, by white people. But we don't go around constantly claiming ownership of that art / innovation. The true 'right' if there is any belongs to the founding originators but that's based on the fact they came up with, not whether they're black or white. That's a matter of fact which isn't relevant.

It'd be like attributing the importance of an art to all people with X colour hair as they happened to be the ones who first stumbled or came up with it lmao.

Only racists / idiots attribute innovations or arts to colour. You can know the history, certainly - But to act like you have more of a right to do, own, speak or whatever it, is absurd. Therefore black people don't have a say who's the top. You arrogant, racist piece of shit. STFU and GTFO, moron.

u sound really butthurt right now

Truth is truth and I don't know how to lie.

You white people are so eager to do hip hop like Rock. You are the type of person that gives the Rolling Stones more credit than Chuck Berry. Hip Hop is still black culture. Eminem is a rare exception. Black people will always decide who is the best rapper. Period. There is nothing u can do about it.

Pac
Big
Nas
Jay

em ain better than any of them. Especially not w/ songs like We Made You. And I'm a fan of Em, but you people continue to overrate him

So what you are saying basically amounts to, "Eminem is white, therefore he can't be the greatest because most well known rappers are/were black."



It's the typical insecurity issue...for if Eminem is the greatest, people like you think it reflects badly on the competence of black people given the strength in numbers.

So you think a little about the guys you think are the strongest black rappers, list them, and say they're actually better than Eminem, they just don't get da hype becuz of deir skin color!!!111

Oh, and We Made You > The entirety of Blueprint 3. We Made You > Big Poppa. We Made You > Oochie Wally and You Owe Me. We Made You is more lyrically complex than the vast majority of the work of just about any other rappers you could name...you're only using that as an example of "whack" Eminem because it's the popular thing to do. And the only reason it's the popular thing to do is people were turned off by the accent and the tired "pop star dissing" formula he used for the first single.

You're what I refer to as a "tier 1" rap fan, too. "TUPAC & BIGGIE, da GOATS!!!111" You might as well be a rock fan, because even rock fans know who Tupac and Biggie were. Jay-Z and Nas, too.

[macdaddy019967]

yes shady is the greatest and

Eminembase = Goat

[PetaParker]

Oh, and We Made You > The entirety of Blueprint 3. We Made You > Big Poppa. We Made You > Oochie Wally and You Owe Me. We Made You is more lyrically complex than the vast majority of the work of just about any other rappers you could name...you're only using that as an example of "whack" Eminem because it's the popular thing to do. And the only reason it's the popular thing to do is people were turned off by the accent and the tired "pop star dissing" formula he used for the first single.

You're what I refer to as a "tier 1" rap fan, too. "TUPAC & BIGGIE, da GOATS!!!111" You might as well be a rock fan, because even rock fans know who Tupac and Biggie were. Jay-Z and Nas, too.

If u really believe that, then that just proves you shouldn't be judging who the best is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqJAE4v5DRs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0yEq0Sr8IM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVvzRw20sRI

And I hated BP3, but to say We Made U is better than any song on BP3 is crazy. You lost cred with that statement.

[EminemInsider]

Oh, and We Made You > The entirety of Blueprint 3. We Made You > Big Poppa. We Made You > Oochie Wally and You Owe Me. We Made You is more lyrically complex than the vast majority of the work of just about any other rappers you could name...you're only using that as an example of "whack" Eminem because it's the popular thing to do. And the only reason it's the popular thing to do is people were turned off by the accent and the tired "pop star dissing" formula he used for the first single.

You're what I refer to as a "tier 1" rap fan, too. "TUPAC & BIGGIE, da GOATS!!!111" You might as well be a rock fan, because even rock fans know who Tupac and Biggie were. Jay-Z and Nas, too.

If u really believe that, then that just proves you shouldn't be judging who the best is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqJAE4v5DRs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0yEq0Sr8IM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVvzRw20sRI

And I hated BP3, but to say We Made U is better than any song on BP3 is crazy. You lost cred with that statement.

You named 3 tracks and none of them are even "Thank You."

Yeah...

"Wayne did a millie, 50 did a millie,
Ye too, but what Em did was silly,
The white boy blossomed after Dre endorsed him,
His flow on Renegade, f-cking awesome,
Applaud him"

That's sure some dope shit right there.

[ThomasJ]

Only rapper I would place above Eminem is Nas,but hey,that's just me.

[SliK]

LOL We Made You > Big Poppa?

Fuck outta here...

I understand you're trying to make a point but just let EminemBase take care of it :/ haha...

[SliK]

And there is also no question which song is better. We made you is fucking TRASH.Wayne can rhyme multis, you telling me Wayne's entire discography, hell DRAKE'S discography took more talent or "skill" as you put it to write than Biggie's? No, just no.

[BILI]

Oh, and We Made You > The entirety of Blueprint 3. We Made You > Big Poppa. We Made You > Oochie Wally and You Owe Me. We Made You is more lyrically complex than the vast majority of the work of just about any other rappers you could name...you're only using that as an example of "whack" Eminem because it's the popular thing to do. And the only reason it's the popular thing to do is people were turned off by the accent and the tired "pop star dissing" formula he used for the first single.

You're what I refer to as a "tier 1" rap fan, too. "TUPAC & BIGGIE, da GOATS!!!111" You might as well be a rock fan, because even rock fans know who Tupac and Biggie were. Jay-Z and Nas, too.

If u really believe that, then that just proves you shouldn't be judging who the best is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqJAE4v5DRs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0yEq0Sr8IM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVvzRw20sRI

And I hated BP3, but to say We Made U is better than any song on BP3 is crazy. You lost cred with that statement.

[Evil-Genius]

Since " The Eminem Show " IMO.